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OfflineFree.Your.Mind
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if the drug war ended
    #19006170 - 10/20/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

prohibition doesnt work for shit

so lets say the government decides to decriminalize everything

what kind of regulations do you think would need to be in place

how are we to handle hard drugs like coke, meth and heroin

or use of psychedelics




you opinions please


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006189 - 10/20/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I see no point in hypothesizing the methods of an absolutely impossible event ( in the U.S)

So I will just say meh. Topic pisses me off.

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #19006207 - 10/20/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Demonic_Chronic said:
I see no point in hypothesizing the methods of an absolutely impossible event ( in the U.S)

So I will just say meh. Topic pisses me off.

DC




it is just a hypothetical situation

i ponder on this topic at times


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006348 - 10/20/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think within a few years of decriminalizing everything weed will be more commonly used than alcohol.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mantirot]
    #19006577 - 10/20/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19006583 - 10/20/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.




we cant just outright legalize

we need a system of regulation in place


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19006585 - 10/20/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Legend]
    #19006601 - 10/21/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legend said:
I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006609 - 10/21/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legend said:
I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system



A alcohol is more addictive than any of those
B prices would lower drastically so people don't need to steal
C I think they should be regulated like alcohol


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 1
    #19006611 - 10/21/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mutantmushroom said:
If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.




we cant just outright legalize

we need a system of regulation in place




If you decriminalize drugs, the dealers still get fucked in the end. Sure, you can possess drugs for personal use, but how did you get them in the first place? From a dealer! That dealer is your friend who decided to sell weed on the side and make some money, but now will be facing possibly time in jail for trafficking, EVEN with decriminalization.

I use meth fairly often. If you look at me, you would not be able to see that I'm a tweaker. I come from a nice background, got accepted into two universities, and am not a bad person. I believe I should be able to buy my speed in a store if I am 21 years old, use it at home like I would anyways, and not have to worry about it's purity or cuts that will eventually end up in my system. I think any heroin user should be able to do a shot and not worry that the current batch is stronger then the last, which will result in death.

I don't give a fuck if you think marijuana is safe and some other drug isn't so marijuana can be legal. There are plenty of things that can be used and abused, but ultimately every drug is a tool. People use tools in different ways, and if they get in trouble with the law on drugs then they deserve to go to jail. If they mind their own business who the fuck cares what other people do with their bodies. Why is everybody so fixated on this. So yeah, fuck decriminalization, it's still the same game with street dealers and buyers. I thought we were trying to move away from that.

Anyone agree?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 3
    #19006626 - 10/21/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Free.Your.Mind said:
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Legend said:
I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system




hard drugs don't make you steal. not having money to support a habit does.

no one should be able to tell me how much i can buy.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006870 - 10/21/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I support the legalization of all drugs because every time I ask someone "would you smoke crack if it were legal?" they all say no. Everyone. No one is sitting there waiting for legal crack. In fact I can get crack delivered 24 hours a day, the beer store is not open all night.
I would make the junkies take a one day class on safer use but then buy all the heroin you want. Cocaine, speed, PCP, LSD, MDMA, mushrooms, Ketamine, GHB, DMT and pretty well all the RC's I would sell in your regular liquor store to adults. Why should someone tell me what I can put in my body?
Pretty well every drug is safer than booze and cigs if they are of known dosage and purity. Or huffing glue, that's not banned and that's the worst way you could get high. Too bad my LSD didn't have industrial applications.
The laws now aren't based on common sense just hysteria and ignorance.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19006948 - 10/21/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The only regulations I see fit are regarding taxation, purity, and manufacturing facility inspections for shit like health code violations.  If someone wants to manufacture a drug, they can do so for personal consumption but require permits to distribute it.  Maybe requiring special permits and certifications to manufacture certain substances but those permits should be easy enough to get if you can pass a standardized test or something.  And all those permits and certs should be federal not local so some jurisdictions against the whole thing can't just deny everyone.
Focus on education, harm reduction, and rehabilitation instead of enforcing draconian laws that's ultimately the government telling me what I can and can't put in my body.  Which is bullshit.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19006994 - 10/21/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

society would fall apart, people would not handle themselves with that lack of control.  Humans are selfish anyways, imagine a free for all with no consequences.  Everyone would act on their own free will with no regard for anything.  Might as well start raping people too,  PPL=SHT and do whatever feels good at the time.  Population would increase with addict born children and retards.  Euthanasia should be legalized as well.

I vote yes.  I'd be high and drunk as hell and carrying loaded weapons. I'd probably just shoot people for shock value.  Sounds like fun huh.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006996 - 10/21/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19007008 - 10/21/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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society would fall apart, people would not handle themselves with that lack of control.  Humans are selfish anyways, imagine a free for all with no consequences.  Everyone would act on their own free will with no regard for anything.  Might as well start raping people too,  PPL=SHT and do whatever feels good at the time.  Population would increase with addict born children and retards.  Euthanasia should be legalized as well.

I vote yes.  I'd be high and drunk as hell and carrying loaded weapons. I'd probably just shoot people for shock value.  Sounds like fun huh.




:lolwut:

I think the opposite of what you said would happen.
Society would improve in every way, billions would be saved, tax revenues would be increased, overdoses would become less common, millions of people would be saved from unnecessarily being drug through the prison system for victimless "crimes". All that money saved could go towards rehabilitation instead of making criminals out of people. Purity of drugs would be more tightly controlled, and cartels would be completely crippled because their trade would become powerless. The war on drugs does absolutely nothing but hurt society.

What you choose to put in your own body is no one else's concern.
Drug addiction should be treated as a HEALTH issue not a CRIMINAL one.

When you choose to HURT OTHER PEOPLE then that becomes a criminal issue
Comparing drug use to Murder and rape :nonono: :mad2:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Shroomism]
    #19007033 - 10/21/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: indica]
    #19007036 - 10/21/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil




this has been the only clearheaded approach in this thread


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19007214 - 10/21/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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indica said:
what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil




this has been the only clearheaded approach in this thread





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Remember people, the more of us that die, the better off this worlds gonna be. Population control is important, so therefore if the drugs are illegal people are dieing the populations going down, less damage will be caused by less population destroying the world. Same goes for smoking, the smokers are actually causing less health bills since they die younger and avoid te further medical bills a non smoker does in their extended life time

I'm talking like a illuminatist  now, disregard everything I'm high :lol:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19007268 - 10/21/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i actually think the pharmaceutical/mental health system would make bank

with an increase number of users seeking help, would get put into rehabs/mental health institutions and put on anti-psyches

plus i wonder how many people that want to turn them self in to get clean, but fear, stigma from society, and or law prosecution


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