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onflazious
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Help Identifying Mushrooms
#19005586 - 10/20/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am thinking that the yellowish one may be a young ps. cube, and maybe the smaller ones are liberty caps. If so I found about 50 Liberty Caps (the most common where I was in number), and two Ps. Cubes. I just need verification so I know what I'm finding. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to even look.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19005604 - 10/20/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pic 2 is Panaeolus papilionaceus. The others are too blurry to id.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19005609 - 10/20/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pictures like this,

are difficult to ID. As you can see the background is in perfect focus and the mushroom is blurry.
Use the on your camera. A clear picture from further away is better than a blurry one.
That being said. The second bunch looks like it could be a mildly active Panaeolus. Perhaps P. cinctulus.
What Alan said.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Ganzig]
#19005617 - 10/20/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wrong cap shape for Panaeolus cinctulus. These are more mycenoid.
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Ganzig
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Alan Rockefeller said: Wrong cap shape for Panaeolus cinctulus. These are more mycenoid.
Indeed.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19005645 - 10/20/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's really hard to tell anything with the blurry pictures but I can safely say that I'm sure neither of those are what you think they are.
Are your suspected cubes growing from wood in a cluster? It's really hard to tell with your photo. They should be growing from manure.
Your suspected semilanceata look like a random Panaeolus. But once again its hard to tell because they appear to be in big rotting pile.
Edit: What Alan said above for sure.
Please take clear pictures of them both if you want a better identification. Also spore print them for extra measure.
For the record, I'm not sure there is anywhere in the world where cubes and libs grow together. They both inhabit opposite climates. Does anyone else know of a place where both are found?
Edited by Lhun (10/20/13 08:01 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19005650 - 10/20/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lhun said: For the record, I'm not sure there is anywhere in the world where cubes and libs grow together. They both inhabit opposite climates. Does anyone else know of a place where both are found?
Australia.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19005655 - 10/20/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lhun said: It's really hard to tell anything with the blurry pictures but I can safely say that I'm sure neither of those are what you think they are.
Are your suspected cubes growing from wood in a cluster? It's really hard to tell with your photo. They should be growing from manure.
Your suspected semilanceata look like a random Panaeolus. But once again its hard to tell because they appear to be in big rotting pile.
Please take clear pictures of them both if you want a better identification. Also spore print them for extra measure.
For the record, I'm not sure there is anywhere in the world where cubes and libs grow together. They both inhabit opposite climates. Does anyone else know of a place where both are found?
In the Pacific North West P. semilanceata is found in grassy fields which have cattle grazing.
And P. cubensis grow in peoples closets. So there ya go. They both grow here.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Australia.
Neato, thanks Alan.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19005688 - 10/20/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Virginia. India. But I doubt populations really overlap in any of these places. Australia and India are pretty vast, it's a bit like saying America.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Joie]
#19005691 - 10/20/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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America
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19005693 - 10/20/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan,
Where is Australia Psilocybe cubensis and P. semilanceata grow together? I ask because from what I thought I knew, they grow thousands of kms apart, one in Tasmania and the others in northern NSW-Qld...
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Lhun said: For the record, I'm not sure there is anywhere in the world where cubes and libs grow together. They both inhabit opposite climates. Does anyone else know of a place where both are found?
Australia.
In the same locality? If so; Awesome.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: canid]
#19005710 - 10/20/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean same locale. Same country is cheating. Lets try same county.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19005719 - 10/20/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do we discount outdoor cultivation; because I've seen pictures in years past of ourdoor culture of cubensis within close proximity to semi fields.
Is that also cheating?
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Ganzig]
#19005720 - 10/20/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: As you can see the background is in perfect focus and the mushroom is blurry.
Use the on your camera. A clear picture from further away is better than a blurry one.
Nonsense, I can clearly identify that toilet paper in the first pic. It's obviously quilted, possibly of the Northern variety? Although I can't be absolutely sure without an ass-print.
EDIT: wait, no, that might be paper towels. My bad  Definitely try the macro function.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Forrester]
#19005725 - 10/20/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forrester said:
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Ganzig said: As you can see the background is in perfect focus and the mushroom is blurry.
Use the on your camera. A clear picture from further away is better than a blurry one.
Nonsense, I can clearly identify that toilet paper in the first pic. It's obviously quilted, possibly of the Northern variety? Although I can't be absolutely sure without an ass-print.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: canid]
#19005733 - 10/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cultivation is cheating.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19005742 - 10/20/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough. That's about what they told me at the human cloning research institute as well.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Forrester]
#19005927 - 10/20/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: As you can see the background is in perfect focus and the mushroom is blurry.
Use the on your camera. A clear picture from further away is better than a blurry one.
Nonsense, I can clearly identify that toilet paper in the first pic. It's obviously quilted, possibly of the Northern variety? Although I can't be absolutely sure without an ass-print.
EDIT: wait, no, that might be paper towels. My bad  Definitely try the macro function.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Tas75]
#19005964 - 10/20/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tas75 said: Alan,
Where is Australia Psilocybe cubensis and P. semilanceata grow together? I ask because from what I thought I knew, they grow thousands of kms apart, one in Tasmania and the others in northern NSW-Qld...
I think someone did say they were surprised to find them together, but I don't remember where it was. Was a couple years back.
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Alan Rockefeller said: I think someone did say they were surprised to find them together, but I don't remember where it was. Was a couple years back.
Hmmm... I'd be seriously surprised. I wonder if there are herbarium records. Anecdotal observations without hard backup are hard to trust.
The reason I say this is that P. semilanceata is only known in Australia, as far as I know, from Tasmania and Victoria. There are most certainly no wild Psilocybe cubensis down here, regardless of what some commonly traded strains are named.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Tas75]
#19007212 - 10/21/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not aware of any place where both occur in Australia. There is anecdotal evidence that Panaeolus cyanescens occurs in the Vic/NSW high country over summer but I remain to be convinced.
Even if there was overlap between the distribution of both species they would surely occur at opposite times of year.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: TimmiT]
#19007571 - 10/21/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. That's what I figured regarding distribution. I had a good laugh at first when the OP assumed he had found both cubensis and semilanceata on the same day. Then I got to wondering, "What if?"
Meanwhile, onflazious has not even been back to check this post...
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onflazious
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Thanks a lot, now I know what not to pick. Your help is much appreciated, I'd rate if I could.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19009405 - 10/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if the other mushrooms are psilocybe cubensis? the yellowish colored ones?
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19009422 - 10/21/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where are you and what was it growing from?
It is too blurry to ID properly.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19009433 - 10/21/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The cluster growing on wood can't be P. cubensis but I don't know if that is the chunky thing in your first shot.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Ganzig]
#19009470 - 10/21/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think your chances of finding cubes in Arkansas are best in late summer / early autumn, after good rain. Isn't it getting too cold now? You're right on the edge of where they grow, climate-wise. And there are no libs in Arkansas, BTW.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Tas75]
#19009611 - 10/21/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't mean the mushrooms on the wood, those were strictly for ID. I mean the ones that I'm holding in my hands. Yeah, it is getting pretty cold here now. Thanks for the advice guys. I am new to this, as you can tell.
Edited by onflazious (10/21/13 05:52 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19009797 - 10/21/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I put much better shots on the other post I made. Take a look there if you have the time.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19009811 - 10/21/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just wondering, wouldn't it be totally random if PC and Liberty caps were growing together? They may not grow here, but I would think you could find them within the range of each other atleast in some places.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19010721 - 10/21/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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onflazious said: I'm just wondering, wouldn't it be totally random if PC and Liberty caps were growing together? They may not grow here, but I would think you could find them within the range of each other atleast in some places.
It's not likely, given that libs are a cold climate mushroom and cubes are tropical. Not impossible, just extremely unlikely.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: onflazious]
#19010737 - 10/21/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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onflazious said: I'm just wondering, wouldn't it be totally random if PC and Liberty caps were growing together? They may not grow here, but I would think you could find them within the range of each other atleast in some places.
It would be neat for sure! But like TimmiT said, it would be different times of the year and unlikely to overlap.
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Re: Help Identifying Mushrooms [Re: Lhun]
#19010772 - 10/21/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh okay I understand now why they wouldn't grow together. Thanks for the tip! There's a large complexity to mushroom growth, more than I thought at least. Like I said in another post, every bit of advice will go a long way in helping me out!
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