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Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh
    #19003191 - 10/20/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have large, box-like insulated fruiting chamber that needs a system for FAE, Rh, and heat. It's located in a garage, so temperatures will be low in the winter time and the air quality is questionable.

I'm considering using a bed of sterile water solution/geolite, an aquarium heater, and an airpump with underwater diffusers. The humidity would also be supplemented with an ultrasonic. Everything will be regulated  with sensors and timers.

The airpump I'm looking at getting has the capacity to pump the volume of the chamber about once an hour.

For the diffusers, originally i wanted to use porous soaker tubing but it looks like the back pressure could be too high for the pump, and airstones are too expensive, so i might use a grid of small pvc pipes with holes drilled in them.

I am aware that having a heated chamber can drop humidity because of the temp difference, but hopefully the insulation will help that.

Thoughts? Would this work well?

Note: I like the idea of an air pump because the air is somewhat filtered through the water solution and a hepa filter could additionally be placed on the intake side of the pump if necessary.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003209 - 10/20/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just build a sgfc and put it in your house. WAY easier.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: huffinglue]
    #19003223 - 10/20/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

huffinglue said:
Just build a sgfc and put it in your house. WAY easier.




Due to circumstance, this is not an option. Nor is monotubs, because space is limited.

The chamber is designed to look like a tool cabinet :wink:


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003264 - 10/20/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those rarely if ever work.  Also, garage or other unheated grows rarely if ever work.  You'll be trying to juggle learning to grow mushrooms while fighting the wrong conditions.
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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19003280 - 10/20/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

RR, could you be more specific as to why they don't work?


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003387 - 10/20/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If anyone sees this that doesn't just accept RR's word as god's, I'd like some constructive advice please.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003424 - 10/20/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because a simple SGFC would be cheaper and easier to build, and you would get better results than with all that electronic mechanical crap.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003491 - 10/20/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The chamber holds 50 ft^2 of substrate.... Think i could fit that in a SGFC?

This is closer to an advanced martha then anything.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: PussyFart]
    #19003512 - 10/20/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think what he's trying to say is if you go to build an unconventional fruiting chamber and not following a tek there is always a learning curve to get conditions optimal. and most of the time it's not worth the effort when you can just build a SGFC that's already designed to do a great job of a fruiting chamber and it's cheaper and easier in all aspects.

and if you couple that with the fact that the garage will get cold it will be less than optimal conditions while trying to get the FC dialed in to the correct settings and that has so many variables in it you aren't likely to succeed and get good fruits for a while. that's why people are so adamant about following tried and true teks. get some experience under your belt before you start going off and trying unconventional things


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003624 - 10/20/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hear ya Archenemy_6.

However I don't think this is that experimental.. It's really just a larger version of the "Poor Man's Pod." He even mentions the use of a submersible heater.

I have extensive experience in automated systems and the equipment to make them, so dialing in the conditions isn't that much of a problem.

I've been growing for a few years now and have other systems running and fruiting, I'm just experimenting to find a more efficient way for bulk grows.

It's very difficult to post on this site without everyone assuming you're a noob.

Thanks for replying though.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003737 - 10/20/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wait. It holds 50sq ft of substrate and space is an issue so you can't use mono tubs? Just make a bunch of them stacked on top of each other. Also, if your trying to go stealth, all those airstones and humidifiers and stuff are gunna make a lot of noise. I'm sure its possible, but like someone else said, with all those different variables, noone can give you and black and white answer as to what excactly your gunna need. I've heard of people using humidifiers and sonic ones, but heat, and it not drying everything out is gunna be your main problem. If you suceed, def make a tek! It is going to be a lot of experementing, but that's what doin new thangs is all about. Patience.

And most of us arnt trying to be dicks. Were honestly trying to help. You didn't mention that you've grown a lot and have a bunch of other grows going on in your original post, wich probably made everyone think you were trying to do the impossable in your parents garage and were 16yrs old or something. That's what I thought at least. But honestly, good luck, and make a tek if you figure it out!


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003788 - 10/20/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice huffinglue.

I like a good challenge so i think I'll give it a shot and share the results, whatever they may be.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003790 - 10/20/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think with the whole assuming you're a noob thing people look at the registered date and see how long you've been around to read and such and they'll hold that against you until you show or say otherwise. a lot of people make an account here and then start growing so i can see where the confusion can set in.

i personally have no experience with any kind of set up like that. all i use for my bulk grows is mini monotubs. i love monotubs. they're easy and cheap and pretty efficient themselves for a bulk grow. if you dial it in right it's all set and forget. i use 20qt sterilite tubs and my yields are from like 1-2 oz dried per tub and they don't take up a lot of space and i can set up two on a dresser i have. gives me more than enough.

i think the only advice i can give from what i've read is that i think the ultra sonic humidifier should provide more than enough RH. I've read people using them for their greenhouses and having them on a timer like 15 minutes every few hours otherwise it's just too much.
other than that i think it's just a matter of keeping the conditions right after everything is dialed in and making your mushrooms happy.

what i've also learned is that mushrooms are real easy to grow and are pretty hardy. they basically take care of themselves and will grow in even sub par conditions. but to get good looking fruits and yields it's just a matter of keeping the conditions top notch


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19003946 - 10/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Comprende. I've been a lurker for a while and only made an account to ask these questions. I can see why people would assume things because of a new account.

Monotubs are great, in fact most of my experience is in them. Only problem is I'd like to incubate cakes up until pinning, and that would be difficult to do with a monotub.

Honestly I'd prefer to not have to use an ultrasonic at all, since I'm trying to design a modular system and multiple ultrasonics would get expensive and from what I've heard they can eventually break.


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19004219 - 10/20/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And for heat that won't dry out I guess you could get one big, or many small submersible heaters under some water. That wouldn't make them dry out. I'm starting to get into aquariums, and heaters are pretty cheep and mine automaticaly keeps the water 78 to 82f. Don't know how'd you place it in your setup... and remember that the substrate makes heat too. But surley not enough


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: huffinglue]
    #19004342 - 10/20/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my opinion the only real point to a martha/automated setup is if you're planning on cultivating an exotic species that requires very specific humidity that has to be kept on point.

For anything else, why waste all that time and money when you can simply case it in a rubbermaid and practically forget about it until harvest time?


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: NOM NOM]
    #19004548 - 10/20/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Word of advice, bro.

If you don't want everyone shitting on your plans, then build it first and then post the results. If you start asking questions about experimental grow on here, you'll get shut down pretty quick.

People post super hi tek ideas here every day, and it is usually a sign that they haven't read much of the info that's availiable for free on this amazing site.

Welcome to the shroomery!


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Re: Large FC with Airpump Driven FAE and Rh [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19004633 - 10/20/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've often come up with crazy cool automation ideas, but at the end of the day I always realized that I was going to spend so much time and money on them, it was just easier to stick with conventional methods.

As others have said, if it works for you, I'd like to see it, but I really don't think it's worth it.

Maybe you should try getting into woodlovers. They have more specific requirements, so it would be a challenge worthy of the high-tech to make an environment suitable.


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