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Tombc1
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: GoldenEye] 1
#19008931 - 10/21/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have taken much of this advice under wing; I spent most of my day in college speaking to people I usually wouldn't, smiling at strangers.. just trying to be a positive force in any given scenario. It was enough in the moment to know that I was making a small difference. I can really relate to a lot of the posts here, really sounds like you're reading my mind :')
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19008973 - 10/21/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The universe is friendly to those who are friendly. The universe shuns those who shun others. Sounds like you're doing it right. Good job OP
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: nicechrisman]
#19009005 - 10/21/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyday my friend, everyday. soon you won't know any other way. Cheers to you, op! 
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Tombc1
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World of Echo said: Everyday my friend, everyday. soon you won't know any other way. Cheers to you, op!  
Thanks! I feel like a pathway has been opened up that was otherwise obscured, as ridiculous as I feel saying that. I guess I just needed to know I wasn't the only one The replies are very much appreciated
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19009105 - 10/21/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just remember the feeling., live by it. don't lose sight. don't let the society make you bitter. enjoy yourself
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I feel like a pathway has been opened up that was otherwise obscured, as ridiculous as I feel saying that.
You might feel strange saying it, but that's the reality. If you look into any of the original texts of valid spiritual practices, you'll find this very same thing described. The door opens and you step through it - and you can do this anytime and all the time. 
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PS hey I was gonna write a much more complicated reply but you saved me from doing that.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: nicechrisman]
#19010399 - 10/21/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: The universe is friendly to those who are friendly. The universe shuns those who shun others. Sounds like you're doing it right. Good job OP
This. Everyone seems to get what they signed up for aka deserve
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19010418 - 10/21/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, if anyone tells you the message of unity and love is insane, then fear not they are the insane ones. A majority of people engage in petty and often pointlessly disturbing behavior
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19010481 - 10/21/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's like this: The mighty men in humanity don't want people to see the big picture, they want them to fit IN the picture somehow as small units. It has been like that for so long. Divide and reign. And most people are used to be divided and defined so they won't do shit changing status quo as long as they can cope with it.
Like for example only when you study engineering (Sorry Roger ^^) and go into research you do really have an overlook over the matter that you're working with and then you can change something about the way things work. It was like that for thousands of years now. Science today is in such an a priori state that you won't hardly ever be able to invent something new without being a pretty a priori thinker.
I don't say science is evil, but science will make none happy. Many smart young people start studying, thinking they can change the world and become famous and one day they see that they have only become a small part in a big machine. It's pretty much always like that, but we have to cope with that.
I go as far as saying that there is spring, summer, autumn and winter in life and that life looks pretty shitty if you don't believe in jesus or in reincarnation or something like that. Otherwise the winter seems pretty much unbearable to me.
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what about all the scoundrels who lived 100+ years why did they not reap what they sowed? maybe ECCO just doesnt give a shit about you
and says you aren't complicit
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: tokerL] 2
#19010646 - 10/21/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not about giving more days to your life, but giving more life to your days.
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I'm proud.
Such an underused yet awesome emotion. I try to be proud of many little achievements, whether they are mine or somebody else's.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: GoldenEye]
#19012219 - 10/22/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just wait until your first couple of Ayahuasca experiences 
Almost every day I have some kind of similar thoughts to OP, and am reminded of Lao Zi, a very wise smart and clever man, who disillusioned with his mainstream fellow Chinese people, had to one day get on his buffalo, say fuck it all, that's it, I'm going anywhere but here.
I'm not sure how many years it will take me to relocate to either the Netherlands or South America, but I find the mainstream non-psychedelic world so utterly boring and misguided, that it's just a given for me that I can find no other way long term. It's a huge disconnect IMO, between the two groups.
Maybe in time I'll learn to tolerate the mainstream clearheads better, but for now it's
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Spacerific]
#19012355 - 10/22/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the hardest thing about awkening, enlightenment, whatever, is integrating into every day life. I don't feel I've ever successfully done that, because one forgets that most of the people of whom you interact with are on a completely different mental plane to you, and there is always that strong dissonance, and you realise that you just have to smile and keep it to yourself, they don't give a fuck and would rather know how much weight Jennifer Anniston has put on over the summer.
Neither of us are superior or inferior though, thats the fucking trap we fall into, feeling superior because we've 'seen it' so to speak. At the end of the day, i think we genuinely are the brahman in disguise no matter if you realise this or you don't in your life time, and as Watts explained: the 'squares' don't ever need to be taught or converted, they're just playing the game of hide and seek SO well, that they've forgotten who they are, they're just so far out. Lmao.
I reckon for most people, they will be slapped in the face with the truth on their death bed, when they realise there is no one in control. There never was or will be.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: HostDisorder]
#19012396 - 10/22/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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HostDisorder said: I think the hardest thing about awkening, enlightenment, whatever, is integrating into every day life. I don't feel I've ever successfully done that, because one forgets that most of the people of whom you interact with are on a completely different mental plane to you, and there is always that strong dissonance, and you realise that you just have to smile and keep it to yourself, they don't give a fuck and would rather know how much weight Jennifer Anniston has put on over the summer.
Neither of us are superior or inferior though, thats the fucking trap we fall into, feeling superior because we've 'seen it' so to speak. At the end of the day, i think we genuinely are the brahman in disguise no matter if you realise this or you don't in your life time, and as Watts explained: the 'squares' don't ever need to be taught or converted, they're just playing the game of hide and seek SO well, that they've forgotten who they are, they're just so far out. Lmao.
I reckon for most people, they will be slapped in the face with the truth on their death bed, when they realise there is no one in control. There never was or will be.
Ah so many feels that I feel. The thing which makes it worse in my situation is that I live amongst high school students - without a doubt THE most brainwashed and the ones which fit into our 'square' shape the best. People who will fucking despise somebody simply because they wear a headband to school or something petty like that... It is horrible to witness all the hate that goes around simply because people can't tolerate anyone who isn't exactly like them. It is disgusting that our education system seems to encourage this; my college teachers and peers assume that I am a dropout and a failure simply because of the way I dress, yet they soon realize I am one of the most intelligent people in the college..
The dissonance is massive; my mental plane differs so much from theirs that as far as they are concerned, I am on drugs constantly.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19012507 - 10/22/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just keep on doing your thing man. I've got hair down to my nips and probably dress like a bumb a lot. Some days nothing but death metal shirts, other days i'm completely reverse, rocking the grateful dead or whatever. Rotating the same shirts every week. Rarely shave, I rarely talk to anyone. Anyone who's known me thought i was a stoner long before i did drugs... But i am thoroughly raping my college classes as far as scores go. With one exception that was a high b, all my test and essay scores the past few weeks have been 96 and above. Im probably going to finish up this biochem degree and then drop out into a yurt village where i recently did an ayahuasca ceremony. Schools easy for me but the more i go through with this life style the more i realize i hate it. I hate dealing with the people. All of them. I know this sounds incredibly pretentious, but it's just like everywhere i go. Like you said, people bitching about stupid shit. Judging for stupid shit. Uptight about stupid shit. I'm tired of the merit of my work and intelligence being docked for dumb things like formatting disagreement when the entire department can't even come to a consensus of how a lab report should be written. I'm tired of dealing with text book scientists who can only repeat what they learn without learning to actually read into nature. I'm tired of the dicks pretending that global warming is a hoax for personal monetary gain that will get them absolutely nowhere when our ecosystem is completely reformatted. Tired of the mass hypocrisy and on and on and on
To be alienated from this society, is to be liberated imo. This world is such a beautiful place and humans are such shitheads.
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Amen to that brother!

This thread have been of great help to me since I too feel alienated, even from some of my closest family & friends. I don't want to live the typical perfect citizen life and this thinking began long before I tried any drug. Psychedelics have helped me to see that it is possible to live a good life away from our mainstream society and I am happy to see that I am clearly not alone.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: HostDisorder]
#19012644 - 10/22/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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HostDisorder said: Neither of us are superior or inferior though, thats the fucking trap we fall into, feeling superior because we've 'seen it' so to speak. At the end of the day, i think we genuinely are the brahman in disguise no matter if you realise this or you don't in your life time, and as Watts explained: the 'squares' don't ever need to be taught or converted, they're just playing the game of hide and seek SO well, that they've forgotten who they are, they're just so far out. Lmao.
It's not about converting all squares, replacing one monoculture belief system with another. It's about finding a large enough community of people with similar beliefs, so that you're not completely alienated. I for one have had serious problems coming back from festivals, where many people "get" me and the lifestyle I prefer, back into white Christian mainstream areas that I have less and less in common with
Ecosystems are healthy when they have some variety, and right now there's a strong imbalance against psychedelic tendencies, psychedelic-inspired lifestyles. If you have 99% of religious establishments in an area belonging to one of the Abrahamic religions, no wiccans no ashrams no temples no psychedelics no anything, it's a bit over the top IMO.
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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nicechrisman
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Spacerific]
#19012655 - 10/22/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always try to bring the love I feel generated at festivals back into the real world with me. Festivals are an interesting phenomenon, and how we process them is as well. It's really easy for everyone to be all kind and nice for a weekend infused with love enhancing drugs and music and stuff. The challenge lies in integrating that love into our daily lives. Otherwise it's just a cop out IMO.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: nicechrisman]
#19012676 - 10/22/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I always try to bring the love I feel generated at festivals back into the real world with me. Festivals are an interesting phenomenon, and how we process them is as well. It's really easy for everyone to be all kind and nice for a weekend infused with love enhancing drugs and music and stuff. The challenge lies in integrating that love into our daily lives. Otherwise it's just a cop out IMO.
you should see how "unhappy" or worse (full of hate)etc. people here in germany are... Your challenge might be a too damn hard to do.
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