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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19003438 - 10/20/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19003557 - 10/20/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tombc1 said: Hey. Over the past couple of years I have been reborn due to psychedelics - I am a completely different person now and my mind works in a drastically different way to how it used to and how everyone else's around me does. I go to a college which connects to a high school which means masses of brainwashed trend-following idiots - even the teachers are only slightly better. I have begun to feel very alienated from almost everyone except my very close friends, just due to how different we are. Everybody succumbs to petty argument, bullies one another, focuses on physical appearance... everyone around me just seems to be living according to that capitalist programming. I am not sure if it is mushrooms making me realize i'm the only sane one, or mushrooms making me insane without me realizing... please help - has anyone else had this feeling before? 
Well it's probably good you don't feel in tune with petty sheep and have a follow the trend mentality. Individualism and honesty are very much disliked and heavily frowned upon in our society. So you're not a mindless conformist, that's nothing to be ashamed of. The immature and petty people are the ones who have shame, but they don't. Absolutely no reason for you to get sucked in with a crowed zombies that lets TV do their thinking for them. Enjoy your friends and your ability to make your own decisions.
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"Had this feeling before?" Sure, of course. Out of synch with society. That said, I don't think you need to go to the extreme of perfect sanity versus insanity to make sense of it. You've spent a couple of apparently productive years getting things sorted out with the help of psychedelics. Awesome! The world is obviously going to look different through the lens of the lessons you've "brought back." The key (it seems to me) is in finding ways of adapting those lessons to fit your earthly situation. 'Cause, as much as we may wish we lived "out there," we just don't. It's kind of an awful thing to come to grips with, actually. That is, wishing life were the blissed out experience that we (can) get with the help of chemicals ... and realizing that it's just unsustainable. There's always something or someone willing to bring us back down, right? If you have some very good friends, then it seems to me that you're way ahead of the game. I've seen people in your situation cut ties with absolutely everyone. Not good. You can't be close with "society" -- it just doesn't work that way -- so maybe it's best to focus your energy on the positive people whom you consider kindred spirits. That should be satisfying enough?
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Gratuitous Grace said: "Had this feeling before?" Sure, of course. Out of synch with society. That said, I don't think you need to go to the extreme of perfect sanity versus insanity to make sense of it. You've spent a couple of apparently productive years getting things sorted out with the help of psychedelics. Awesome! The world is obviously going to look different through the lens of the lessons you've "brought back." The key (it seems to me) is in finding ways of adapting those lessons to fit your earthly situation. 'Cause, as much as we may wish we lived "out there," we just don't. It's kind of an awful thing to come to grips with, actually. That is, wishing life were the blissed out experience that we (can) get with the help of chemicals ... and realizing that it's just unsustainable. There's always something or someone willing to bring us back down, right? If you have some very good friends, then it seems to me that you're way ahead of the game. I've seen people in your situation cut ties with absolutely everyone. Not good. You can't be close with "society" -- it just doesn't work that way -- so maybe it's best to focus your energy on the positive people whom you consider kindred spirits. That should be satisfying enough?
The problem is that even some of my close friends aren't much more open or free-thinking or anything than the regular joe - I find it hard to relate to some of them as well; they are just slightly more intelligent than the rest :P
Edited by Tombc1 (10/22/13 09:14 AM)
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19004504 - 10/20/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gratuitous Grace said: "Had this feeling before?" Sure, of course. Out of synch with society. That said, I don't think you need to go to the extreme of perfect sanity versus insanity to make sense of it. You've spent a couple of apparently productive years getting things sorted out with the help of psychedelics. Awesome! The world is obviously going to look different through the lens of the lessons you've "brought back." The key (it seems to me) is in finding ways of adapting those lessons to fit your earthly situation. 'Cause, as much as we may wish we lived "out there," we just don't. It's kind of an awful thing to come to grips with, actually. That is, wishing life were the blissed out experience that we (can) get with the help of chemicals ... and realizing that it's just unsustainable. There's always something or someone willing to bring us back down, right? If you have some very good friends, then it seems to me that you're way ahead of the game. I've seen people in your situation cut ties with absolutely everyone. Not good. You can't be close with "society" -- it just doesn't work that way -- so maybe it's best to focus your energy on the positive people whom you consider kindred spirits. That should be satisfying enough?
The problem is that even my close friends aren't much more open or free-thinking or anything than the regular joe - I find it hard to relate to them as well; they are just slightly more intelligent than the rest :P
Absolutely my problem also, difficult to find groups of similar minded people, don't even know where to start.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19004536 - 10/20/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you craving social interaction? Do you feel it is an important aspect of (whatever it is that you believe we are experiencing)?
I think we have lots of left over, evolutionary traits, such as the desire for social interaction. When those were forming, they were necessary for survival. People cling to them, especially when they do not understand, either b/c they can't, or won't.
But sadly, we do have to play the game that society has deemed "normal". One good thing is that will be easier for you and it will let you do the things that can bring you real joy.
Anything you can do to help others understand, either through knowledge or kindness, would be helpful to us ALL. I think we can all agree this place needs more of those kinds of people.
and hey, there is always the internet to bring you closer to like minded individuals what are YOU going to do with your understanding???
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: HostDisorder]
#19004569 - 10/20/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19004612 - 10/20/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tombc1 said: Hey. Over the past couple of years I have been reborn due to psychedelics - I am a completely different person now and my mind works in a drastically different way to how it used to and how everyone else's around me does. I go to a college which connects to a high school which means masses of brainwashed trend-following idiots - even the teachers are only slightly better. I have begun to feel very alienated from almost everyone except my very close friends, just due to how different we are. Everybody succumbs to petty argument, bullies one another, focuses on physical appearance... everyone around me just seems to be living according to that capitalist programming. I am not sure if it is mushrooms making me realize i'm the only sane one, or mushrooms making me insane without me realizing... please help - has anyone else had this feeling before? 
That's life amongst the empty shells. Fortunately (unfortunately?) you no longer qualify. It's a hard step to take, but necessary. You just gotta rise above it, it can help if you just recognize there's nothing wrong with you. 
Illegitimi non carborundum.
But as the Buddha said, first have compassion. They don't know what they are, and you do. That's a significant difference. Just recognize that not everybody - not even your best friends - want that kind of knowledge. Use it for good and to raise them up whenever the opportunity presents itself.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: j_db69]
#19004641 - 10/20/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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j_db69 said: Are you craving social interaction? Do you feel it is an important aspect of (whatever it is that you believe we are experiencing)?
I think we have lots of left over, evolutionary traits, such as the desire for social interaction. When those were forming, they were necessary for survival. People cling to them, especially when they do not understand, either b/c they can't, or won't.
But sadly, we do have to play the game that society has deemed "normal". One good thing is that will be easier for you and it will let you do the things that can bring you real joy.
Anything you can do to help others understand, either through knowledge or kindness, would be helpful to us ALL. I think we can all agree this place needs more of those kinds of people.
and hey, there is always the internet to bring you closer to like minded individuals what are YOU going to do with your understanding???
I do not crave social interaction - in fact, I generally detest it, however, I am forced to interact socially on a daily basis due to the premise of this post; I attend college, it is impossible to simply ignore everybody. I would be treated very poorly if I decided my own company is the only company :P
Besides, I am not arrogant enough to assume I have nothing to learn from others - there are interesting people and there are likeminded people, its just very difficult to find a group of them in such a small place, like the one I live in.
Edited by Tombc1 (10/20/13 04:19 PM)
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19005643 - 10/20/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms changed my diet and lifestyle around completely or at least they had a big influence. I've cut out all red meat and now eat mostly raw vegan. It also raised my consciousness about our bullshit health system, Big Pharma and made me aware why anti depressants which kill people are legal while weed is illegal. There is more but you get the picture.
Would love to live somewhere warm and away from the mainstream "society".
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Fungi]
#19005791 - 10/20/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alienation can become an identity.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Hygrocybe]
#19005897 - 10/20/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does thinking you're the last sane person on the planet make you crazy? Cause if so...
The feeling is mutual here. Glad to know I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong I'm not one to judge and I do enjoy and learn from the company of others. I just can't help but to wonder how aware some people even are exactly, and like-minded individuals don't seem too common (the shroomery is one exception). But hey, it's the only game in town. Until first contact anyways then I'm gone!
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: HostDisorder]
#19007995 - 10/21/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gratuitous Grace said: "Had this feeling before?" Sure, of course. Out of synch with society. That said, I don't think you need to go to the extreme of perfect sanity versus insanity to make sense of it. You've spent a couple of apparently productive years getting things sorted out with the help of psychedelics. Awesome! The world is obviously going to look different through the lens of the lessons you've "brought back." The key (it seems to me) is in finding ways of adapting those lessons to fit your earthly situation. 'Cause, as much as we may wish we lived "out there," we just don't. It's kind of an awful thing to come to grips with, actually. That is, wishing life were the blissed out experience that we (can) get with the help of chemicals ... and realizing that it's just unsustainable. There's always something or someone willing to bring us back down, right? If you have some very good friends, then it seems to me that you're way ahead of the game. I've seen people in your situation cut ties with absolutely everyone. Not good. You can't be close with "society" -- it just doesn't work that way -- so maybe it's best to focus your energy on the positive people whom you consider kindred spirits. That should be satisfying enough?
The problem is that even my close friends aren't much more open or free-thinking or anything than the regular joe - I find it hard to relate to them as well; they are just slightly more intelligent than the rest :P
Absolutely my problem also, difficult to find groups of similar minded people, don't even know where to start.
Hell yeah, it's a problem! LOL! You can't come back from where we've been, with the lessons we've learned, knowing what we now know ... and turn on the Giants game? For some reason, I'm reminded of that Buddhist saying, "better not to start; once you start, better to finish." This isn't the easy road, folks. But, we're on it now ... going back isn't an option (even if some of us might want that option) ... and the only way forward is forward. (I suppose you could stand still, too. That's the "cutting all ties" approach I mentioned. But, that would be a shame, I think.)
This is tough. Since no one knows where anyone lives, it's hard to give specific suggestions on "where to start." Even before the "where" of it, though, there's the *prerequisite* of being really friendly, open, honest, considerate, and caring. Without that, there's no chance. Once there, maybe start looking outside of the usual suspects -- like, beyond family, friends, school? There's got to be a used bookstore in town, a weekly poetry reading somewhere, a vintage clothing shop, an independent newspaper, a record store, a weird cafe, an activist organization, a club with live music, a guy fixing his VW bus, an ashram or someplace devoted to eastern thought, a garage with cool motorcycles out front, some skydivers, a few people living under the bridge ... IDK what you're going to find in your community. But, there's gotta be *something* going on there. No offense, but I just can't believe that any one of you is the *only* guy in town who's turned on and tuned in ... LOL! There are a couple of others. You may not get to describe your best acid trip the afternoon you meet some of these folks. You may never get to do that. But, you'll run into real people doing real stuff that they care deeply about -- and who aren't in it (their activity, their relationships, LIFE) solely for the money. That's good enough it seems to me.
Practically speaking, what I've learned is that "how are you?" gets you somewhere; but "hey, it looks like you've got something pretty interesting going on here ... is there some way I could get involved?" gets you a lot further. Just think about that statement/question in all of the hypothetical contexts I rattled off above. It's a demonstration of your interest, it scores you big personality points, it moves every situation forward, and it will get you in with like-minded people. And the beautiful thing about approaching situations this way is that you're going in with the perfect self-selection tool. Get a negative response? That's cool ... because the reality becomes clear -- whatever was going on actually wasn't that interesting and, in retrospect, you wouldn't have been happy getting involved. Get a positive response? You're in, and who knows where something like that could lead?
The more I type, the more I think this might be more of a "how" problem than a "where" problem. IDK ... if I'm wrong, just tell me and I'll try again.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: Tombc1]
#19008069 - 10/21/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tombc1 said: Hey. Over the past couple of years I have been reborn due to psychedelics - I am a completely different person now and my mind works in a drastically different way to how it used to and how everyone else's around me does. I go to a college which connects to a high school which means masses of brainwashed trend-following idiots - even the teachers are only slightly better. I have begun to feel very alienated from almost everyone except my very close friends, just due to how different we are. Everybody succumbs to petty argument, bullies one another, focuses on physical appearance... everyone around me just seems to be living according to that capitalist programming. I am not sure if it is mushrooms making me realize i'm the only sane one, or mushrooms making me insane without me realizing... please help - has anyone else had this feeling before? 
Instead of focusing on the things that separate you from these people, I would suggest focusing on ways to connect with these people. Share what you have with them. Sure they aren't ready to have psychedelics shared with them, but share a smile, or a funny story. Try to connect with whoever you can. Maybe you could be the positive influence that makes all the difference in helping some of them wake up to who they really are.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#19008141 - 10/21/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME once you have this wisdom, you must live by it, display it. share it in your actions. judgement free, always loving. people you interact with will notice. they will be grateful. they may ask why you are always so "chill". just smile once you Understand , you cannot go back. careful , some will try to prey on your kindness.
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: nicechrisman]
#19008173 - 10/21/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only problem with "connecting" to these other people, is that you will just have to bring yourself down to their level of understanding and it gets... boring. Plus these people either can't or won't see what you are trying to show them, so what's the point? sure if they NEED you, then you could be there.
Like someone above said, once you see, you can't unsee. others may not want to do that, as life become much harder, but it is the only way out. The others will be here over and over and over.
Does it strike anyone else as odd, that most people who understand, are spread out pretty evenly, and there is a kind of repulsion when you meet someone, like forces repel or something lol a gradual pushing away from both sides...
I don't think I could be married to someone just like me, that is for sure I guess the saying, "opposites attract" is truthful
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I too have become a very introverted person since devoleping into what i consider a true "pyschonaut" as in a person that uses pyshedelics as a means to better understand and improve ones self
I use to be one of the cogs in society with a bunch of meaningless relationships thinking what was inportant was what material goods or what kind of car one drove and in a matter of 2yrs i have completly wrote off all the meaningless bullshit friends, got rid of the nice cars,moved into a smaller house and paid it off
No longer am i a zombie i have a very small circle of friends that are more family than friends the kind that never would judge for actions of another. Im full of indivisualism and unfortuntly or the way i see it luckly view todays society for what it is full of propiganda,rude,and wasteful That i choose no longer to be part of Be thankful for having the ability of freethinking and the clarity to see life as what i is *Good Vibes*
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World of Echo said: IME once you have this wisdom, you must live by it, display it. share it in your actions. judgement free, always loving. people you interact with will notice. they will be grateful. they may ask why you are always so "chill". just smile once you Understand , you cannot go back. careful , some will try to prey on your kindness.
I've noticed this, through the many trips I've had they really have chilled me out so to speak. I hardly ever get mad or yell anymore, you'd have to do something really fucked up to me in order for me to get violent or angry. I've had friends say they've never seen me angry before
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Re: Feel alienated from society [Re: rickjamez20]
#19008598 - 10/21/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, to hell with the sheeple, i like GE maize... i feel like a monk with the inside knowledge or a perception manager selectively conveying or withholding information to engineer your consent and control you. Maybe you just have autism living on the "edges of the known world" and can't handle the dishonest Neuro Typcials living in a madison avenue airbrush the details fake reality
When I was a child I always thought I didn't fit in and preached about healthy raw diets and ethical practices long before i went on a Hero Journey on drug mushrooms but people Grow Up, people learn to turn off their empathy while buying Chinese Slave goods... Freedom rules and the freedom to persuade people is Freedom and I like the way people are now but don't worry Icke says the global awakening is happening and no form of Supression Tactics is going to stop it
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World of Echo said: people you interact with will notice. they will be grateful. they may ask why you are always so "chill". just smile.
This right here is the recipe of awesomeness.
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