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What did I eat?
    #19002677 - 10/20/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi guys.

Well I would really appreciate if someone could help me identify these shrooms that I acquired of the web.

Thing is, I thought they whould be regular cubes, and took a solid 3+g's, and didn't feel jack shit. Maybe a little dizzy. No colour distortion or anything. At T+3 I gave up and fell asleep without any problems.

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Could it be just a bad batch? Or is it another strain than cubes?
I bought 15g's so maybe I need to eat the remaining 12g's all at once?

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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tampee]
    #19002686 - 10/20/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They do appear to be cubensis, but I don't see any blue bruising at all. Can you see any? It is possible they are a similar Stropharia species or something, but I find that unlikely, they are probably just a bad batch. They seem to have been cultivated in very poor conditions.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tangich]
    #19002712 - 10/20/13 05:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah they were picked way past their prime so it is possible some of the goods may have deteriorated


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19003369 - 10/20/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your help.

Yeah, usually the stems have had an white colour with plenty of blue bruising. These where just plain brown/dark brown.

Well not much to do I guess, spread them all out over a pizza and hope for the best :smile:


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tampee]
    #19003449 - 10/20/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't just yet. Who sold you those?


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Joie]
    #19003451 - 10/20/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, maybe that isn't a safe question to answer idk.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Joie]
    #19003544 - 10/20/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They look like P cubensis to me.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19003573 - 10/20/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The stem and gill colouration here surprise me for a Psilocybe but I've never seen a cube, fresh or dried, except possibly many years ago on a weekend in Amsterdam, so I will take a backseat and trust the consensus of those with experience.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19003582 - 10/20/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

those appear to be dried Hypholoma fasciculare.
they are toxic.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003604 - 10/20/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree, everything from the shape of the stipe, colour of the cap and gills, to absence of any symptoms points away from that.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003608 - 10/20/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ive never seen a cube in person either, but the caps appear to be a dark brown, not the typical golden yellow.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: divo]
    #19003621 - 10/20/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No bluing is evident from the pics, these should at the very least show brusing. If not blue it should at least be black, not brown.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: divo]
    #19003622 - 10/20/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive never seen a cube in person either, but the caps appear to be a dark brown, not the typical golden yellow.



That's due to the spores, if you look at the clean parts they are that golden-yellow colour. And the stipes have the standard look of cultivated cubensis grown in high CO2 environment and high temperatures.
OP, you'd still be safer not eating the rest of those, but I believe you don't have to worry about those you have eaten.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tangich]
    #19003652 - 10/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the gills are green and the mushrooms are sulpher-yellow.
they are Hypholoma.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tangich]
    #19003653 - 10/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive never seen a cube in person either, but the caps appear to be a dark brown, not the typical golden yellow.



That's due to the spores, if you look at the clean parts they are that golden-yellow colour. And the stipes have the standard look of cultivated cubensis grown in high CO2 environment and high temperatures.
OP, you'd still be safer not eating the rest of those, but I believe you don't have to worry about those you have eaten.




I apologize, I see what appears to be golden caps in the 1st pic bagged up.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003664 - 10/20/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I disagree, everything from the shape of the stipe, colour of the cap and gills, to absence of any symptoms points away from that.




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the gills are green and the mushrooms are sulpher-yellow.
they are Hypholoma.




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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003686 - 10/20/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think they're Hypholoma...


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tangich]
    #19003692 - 10/20/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, got me scared there.. Anyways I've so far not gotten any symptoms yet, ate them fridays two days ago.

Some of them have small signs of that golden thinfoil, so at least somebody have been growing them in a box.

I'm think I'm gonna be wise and listen to you guys and trow them away... :mad2:


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tampee]
    #19003701 - 10/20/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if there is verm on them...
the stipe bases do actually look cultivated...but...idk.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003703 - 10/20/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

they don't look right.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19003716 - 10/20/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

is there any blue bruising on them at all??

i think i might see some...

can you take a photo of the bruising?


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Ran-D]
    #19003732 - 10/20/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't pretend to know what they are but after buying many cubes,finding many cubes, and growing a few cubes (cubes are the only active besides amanita i have ever done)these do not look like cubes to me. No blueing on my screen at all and gills and top of cap look off enough that if you tried to sell me these I would have a definite problem with you. My 2 cents.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19004154 - 10/20/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well thanks fellas

Pretty much decided to toss them, but if anyone would be interested in additional I've uploaded them in Hi-res

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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Tampee]
    #19004489 - 10/20/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



I think I see several blue bruises, make sure to check them all, on weaker shrooms it will usually happen at the base if the stipe.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19004559 - 10/20/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that they do look like Hypholoma. In any event, H. fasciculare would be the worst case scenario for a mushroom of this description.

They also look like they could be P. cubensis, or any of a large handful of other purple spored mushrooms which look superficially similar.

Given the lack of any acute symptoms either way, I might suggest taking it at this worst case, not eating more and chalking it up as a loss.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: canid]
    #19004708 - 10/20/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah toss em. Good call on the Hypholoma Blood.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Ganzig] * 1
    #19004871 - 10/20/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

While I may not be a TI, I have grown thousands of cubes and have seen them in all sorts of various states of age and decay . . .

I I am pretty sure you threw away some cubes. But if you didnt trip then they would not have done you any good anyway.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19004922 - 10/20/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't see any bluing myself, maybe some slight hues of purple. Definitely go with the TI's, if there is ever any doubt, throw them out!!


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #19004994 - 10/20/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you have eaten some already you may want to keep a sample, in case you get sick. The onset of symptoms of mushroom poisoning can be delayed a few days. The doctors need to have a sample for identification purposes. It helps them with distinguishing treatments.

I have tasted H. fascicular in the field fresh, it is very bitter. I don't know how anybody could actually manage to eat enough to poison themselves with it. I don't know the LD50 of it though.

Lets hope they are just old cubes.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: dodeski]
    #19005007 - 10/20/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have tasted H. fascicular in the field fresh, it is very bitter.
Lets hope they are just old cubes.





That is true. Were they bitter OP?


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: dodeski]
    #19005014 - 10/20/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The recorded poisonings for H. fasciculare indicate short duration of onset, and no not to my knowledge support long-term harm.

The one death I have read of involved mixed species consumption, and it is said pointed towards amatoxin poisoning, which is not otherwise consistent with the data, so may not have been caused by the hypholoma.

It wouldn't hurt [physiologically] to seek medical intervention, so I won't go so far as to advise against it.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: canid] * 1
    #19005771 - 10/20/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They are Psilocybe cubensis.  Take them out of the garbage.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19005804 - 10/20/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'll buy it, but I don't mind saying I am unable to be certain on basis of my own ability.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19005959 - 10/20/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: What did I eat? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19006020 - 10/20/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I would personally go with Allens opinion. He is the shiznit here. Good luck.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19007239 - 10/21/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is true, he's top of the pecking order and wouldn't say to eat it if he wasn't 100% sure. And he isn't the only one here to say it, Tangich and Ganzig have been right all along. (Me, I was thinking the same thing as Bloodworm.)


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    #19007261 - 10/21/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19007305 - 10/21/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:smile:

It isn't a contest, and tbh I'm happy enough that having suspected something was off I leaned on the side of caution, even if I was mistaken. It isn't the worst kind of mistake one can make here.

Sure ideally we give unambiguous info, and it is reassuring to get these things right every time, but that isn't realistic IDing mushrooms from photos (especially dried) and it also serves the purpose of the site to share doubts and insights and learn from the process.

Hopefully that isn't reading like self-justification, just perspective, and I am sorry to OP for throwing a spanner in the works!


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19007387 - 10/21/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What the hell guys?!

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What did I eat?




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I don't think they're Hypholoma...




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They are Psilocybe cubensis.  Take them out of the garbage.




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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Joie]
    #19007397 - 10/21/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Op, are you a heavy person? I only ask because I've noticed that people with a larger body frame seem to take more substance to get to the same level as a smaller person.

Also, those cubes look past their prime picking.  I don't think they were grown with much love.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Joie]
    #19007399 - 10/21/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

after realizing they were obviously cultivated...:lol: :facepalm3:

i knew they were most likely cubensis (who the fuck would cultivate H. fasciculare :confused:)...

but regardless, i think it is better to err on the side of caution in this case...

in this instance, we had 0 information.
just ambiguous photos of dried fungi on a plate and 1 photo of them in a bag...:getstoned:

if he didn't mention vermiculite and the stipe bases weren't so clean...
given their condition and photos (in the original post), i would have said Hypholoma all day long.
the second batch of photos are better...

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Re: What did I eat? [Re: DCart]
    #19007438 - 10/21/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have tasted H. fascicular in the field fresh, it is very bitter.
Lets hope they are just old cubes.





That is true. Were they bitter OP?




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Op, are you a heavy person? I only ask because I've noticed that people with a larger body frame seem to take more substance to get to the same level as a smaller person.

Also, those cubes look past their prime picking.  I don't think they were grown with much love.





They were  not bitter at all, tasted like the smell of forest just like other Psilocybin mushrooms I have eaten.
And no, I am actually o really small guy, ate 2g's from another batch/person a couple of weeks ago that had me trippin.

I haven't tossed them yet though... :wink:


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19007667 - 10/21/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What the hell guys?!
These have to be the most unnerving comments I've read in a thread all year; reading this thread was more intense than the last episode of The Walking Dead :laugh:




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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Ran-D]
    #19007694 - 10/21/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ran-D, I think he was referring to the fact that there was not a quick consensus about the ID of the mushrooms.

They way I see it, you guys are used to IDing fresh mushrooms that are in their habitat, or just picked.  Iding a dead or dried mushroom would be a lot like IDing a dead or dried body.  Sure, if they are alive, you can look at someone's drivers license and determine if it is them or not. If they have been dead for a few weeks, probably not as easy. I'm still confident in you guys!


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: DCart]
    #19007716 - 10/21/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not really like that. Dried cubensis are common, and many of us have grown them as well, the cultivated specimens both fresh and dried look different. I was almost sure it was cultivated P. cubensis all along because I've seen them lots of times, but the complete lack of blue discoloration was casting a shadow of doubt.
But you're right, IDing other species dry can be almost impossible.
Btw, I completely agree that it's better to dispose of any mushrooms if the ID isn't unanimous, better safe than sorry.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19007726 - 10/21/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oh ha, yeah sorry

too much coffee, I ended up paraphrasing the entire thread in my head like this:

"hey guys I ate some questionable mushrooms that I just found laying around on the web and I'm not tripping but they could be something other than what I thought they were what say ye all??? here's some pictures of dried fungus with little to no remarkable identifying characteristics/traits. possibly poisonous species eh? I feel fine! throw 'em away? wait, don't; VERMICULITE!

more or less my coffee-induced "issue" was the idea of id'ing a specimen post ingestion  :laugh:


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19008151 - 10/21/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My worry was more one of greed. Its not uncommon for some moron to pick a few "shrooms" and pass them off as "cultivated" to sell them to unsuspecting custies for some quick cash. Happened to me as a kid and i'm sure many others on here. People can be assholes after all and I hate to see people taken advantage of.....much less hurt by the ignorance of others.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19008153 - 10/21/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MonkeyJesusFresco said:
oh ha, yeah sorry

too much coffee, I ended up paraphrasing the entire thread in my head like this:

"hey guys I ate some questionable mushrooms that I just found laying around on the web and I'm not tripping but they could be something other than what I thought they were what say ye all??? here's some pictures of dried fungus with little to no remarkable identifying characteristics/traits. possibly poisonous species eh? I feel fine! throw 'em away? wait, don't; VERMICULITE!

more or less my coffee-induced "issue" was the idea of id'ing a specimen post ingestion  :laugh:




This is exactly what I thouight. I think the TI's did the best they could have done with the information they were given, the ones that  identified the mushrooms as cubes did so from experience and the others that thought they may be poisonous were playing it safe. After all if someone is going to eat it and you are not 100% sure, it's not worth it.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19008204 - 10/21/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just consider this a lesson learned.... never eat or buy any active mushrooms from anyone unless you trust the person and know them personally, and your confident that you know what you have.. if they are cubes they are past their prime and like mentioned above, probably came from a high CO2 environment.... however, most actives can vary in strength from one patch/batch to the next... even past their prime, as long as they aren't rotting the potency doesn't degrade, until conditions change or decomposition of the fruiting body begins.... these do not look that old.......

My guess, if they were shipped to you, is that they were either effected by heat in transport or they could even be from a batch dried 6+ months ago and poorly stored, causing the potency to degrade.... all mushrooms potency will drop unless proper measures are taken to preserve them.

Strong mushrooms dried and stored in a bag or jar on a shelf in a room that fluctuates in temperature and light will likelly be half as potent 6 months later.

Stored the same way in a consistently cool dark space and they may retain all their strength a year later.

There are other methods that can preserve them indefinitely. Possibly for decades.


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Re: What did I eat? [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19008212 - 10/21/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MonkeyJesusFresco said:
oh ha, yeah sorry

too much coffee, I ended up paraphrasing the entire thread in my head like this:

"hey guys I ate some questionable mushrooms that I just found laying around on the web and I'm not tripping but they could be something other than what I thought they were what say ye all??? here's some pictures of dried fungus with little to no remarkable identifying characteristics/traits. possibly poisonous species eh? I feel fine! throw 'em away? wait, don't; VERMICULITE!

more or less my coffee-induced "issue" was the idea of id'ing a specimen post ingestion  :laugh:




This is exactly what I thouight. I think the TI's did the best they could have done with the information they were given, the ones that  identified the mushrooms as cubes did so from experience and the others that thought they may be poisonous were playing it safe. After all if someone is going to eat it and you are not 100% sure, it's not worth it.





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