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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18998610 - 10/19/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think the difference in taste/texture is primarily due to genetics. In some cases taste and flavour are compromised for extended shelf-life. The FlavrSavr tomatoes have their polygalacturonase gene fucked up by antisense sequences which preserves the integrity of cells walls but also fails to release its full flavour spectrum.





That was interesting, so the tomato flavour would be coded you think? I mean you dont think that external factors influence the taste of a vegetable?


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #18998799 - 10/19/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I love how people only care about organic food as long as it effects them directly. It's an environmental issue, not a health or taste issue.



I actually had my roomate bitch about how she didn't care about colony collapse (bees) and that the bees could go fuck themselves.
I lost a lot of respect for her after that. There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18999156 - 10/19/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.



Sure, but professing to "care" about things like that is not necessarily a sign that someone is not self absorbed.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
    #18999208 - 10/19/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.

I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit. :shrug:


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
    #18999382 - 10/19/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My take is I'm not educated enough on the subject, nor do I have enough money, to worry about buying organic shit. I like the idea, but I know there are plenty of places that break the rules and all that. If I can buy some shit from a local farmer at a market then that's awesome. If I'm at the grocery store I'm just gonna buy the cheapest fucking veggies I see.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
    #18999539 - 10/19/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In a literal sense, humanity has been genetically modifying their food for hundreds of years through agriculture.

Most organic products are a scam, and it doesn't take a whole lot for a company to be labelled "organic".

I would even go to the extent of saying GMO's are more nutritional for you than organic food because of less and less nutrients found in soil from ongoing erosion.  Ultimately, GMO's are going to be the solution.  So, if you want to blame big corporations, blame them for deforestation and erosion, but biotechnology is the way of the future, and possibly the only thing that can prolong our species.

OP, take a biology class.  It's rather easy to find out what is bad and what is good for you in your diet in terms of modified foods.  For instance, hydrogenerated oil foods = bad because it's essentially saturated fat.  These foods are hydrogenerated so they can solidify, like margarine.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium] * 1
    #18999622 - 10/19/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.

I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit. :shrug:




I guess what I was getting at is that saying you do or don't think it's important does not in itself have any effect on the bees themselves. Thus, thinking you're the better person for saying it's important while doing nothing about it can be just as self-serving as denying its importance.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
    #18999667 - 10/19/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.



Sure, but professing to "care" about things like that is not necessarily a sign that someone is not self absorbed.



Ha we all have our egos. Some people are better than others. I'm not saying I'm a wonderful person but I do actively live a lifestyle that is considerate about other living things. At the end of the day we're just over evolved monkeys "mostly" destroying the planet we live on one way or another. My goal is to not be a part of the problem.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
    #18999681 - 10/19/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ballerium said:
And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.

I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit. :shrug:




I guess what I was getting at is that saying you do or don't think it's important does not in itself have any effect on the bees themselves. Thus, thinking you're the better person for saying it's important while doing nothing about it can be just as self-serving as denying its importance.





you can do simple stuff like growing flowers they like in your garden though

at leats i think that helps


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18999690 - 10/19/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

One of the few things that will prolong our species will be population decrease.
Producing more food will MOST LIKELY just encourage more population growth. At this point I really don't give a fuck how much longer humanity lasts. Many people have good hearts but even than the evil that comes from humans is quite disgusting.  :shrug:


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19000088 - 10/19/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The biggest resource on an economic scale is human resource.  If we do not find other ways to colonize our species in space, than overpopulation will indeed be a problem.  However, when it comes to GMOs, we're probably going to have to use them if we're ever to consider a colony on the Moon, or on Mars.

I don't like it when people just shrug and brush it all off with the whole, "eh, we're doomed anyway" kind of attitude.  I'm sure you're an alright person, but of course you care how long humanity lasts.  We're talking your genes prolonging, your grandchildren, your grandchildren's children.  That mode of thinking is exactly why the Boomer generation is despised.

Everything is quite disgusting to a certain point of view, the way lions hunt, parasites that grow in intestines, bearshits, etc.  However, I would argue that we are indeed something beyond animal, even if we still exhibit carnal behavior.  We now have the ability to travel through space, control our own evolution, network our entire species, cure diseases, cook mexican food.  Monkeys cannot do this.  There's a lot of potential we all still have.  Then again, I just finished the Mass Effect trilogy, so I'm all pumped about humanity.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19001618 - 10/19/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, I definitely could be wrong. I'm pretty sure space colonization on any notable scale is not going to happen any time soon (next 50 years). Maybe the Mass Effect has got you thinking in sci fi mode. Hell it'd be much easier to clean up this planet than colonize the moon or mars.:rofl:
Its a cool thought though.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19001834 - 10/19/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals
Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #19001949 - 10/19/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals
Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou



Then you will take no vegetables


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
    #19001952 - 10/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals
Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou




Can you site specific scientific evidence that non-organic is sprayed with "cancer causing chemicals" and please do not cite french rat study because it has been proven to be severely biased . . .


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19001997 - 10/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/risks.htm
http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/pesticides/

you want this on your food?  look what the fucker is wearing.
and to the poster above you.  in this context my brief response made sense.  GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves.  Sacred geometry should be left untouched.


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
    #19002223 - 10/20/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/risks.htm
http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/pesticides/

you want this on your food?  look what the fucker is wearing.
and to the poster above you.  in this context my brief response made sense.  GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves.  Sacred geometry should be left untouched.



So does selective breeding


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: SiElDiablo]
    #19002230 - 10/20/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed.
gmo changes the dna pattern...


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
    #19002239 - 10/20/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed.
gmo changes the dna pattern...



to something that is already possible, and could be selectively bred over a long period of time (most likely) (not including spider silk goat's milk)


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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
    #19002521 - 10/20/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sacred geometry should be left untouched.



This.

Look at this gem here.

For the love of God, just look at it.

This is what's wrong with the whole GMO debate. There's a real issue, but what do the dumbass simpletons say? "ah, iz a sacrud jommetrie, betta not tush!"

WHAT. FUCKING. SACRED. GEOMETRY??? If you think that nature was 'created' to be 'perfect' in any way, read back on the past 3 billion years of its history and be mesmerized by the mass extinctions, bouts of overpopulation, gazillions of cases of cancer in any conceivable organism, viral infections, massive 'chemical' disasters that are unparalleled by all man-made spills put together, etc. etc.

Anyone who thinks nature is some sort of ideal end state needs to pull his head out of his ass and wipe the poop from his eyes. Nature is basically a pest that morphs just enough to survive under the changing circumstances it is subjected to.

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Nemmies said:
selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed.
gmo changes the dna pattern...



You know what would have happened if we hadn't dared to manipulate nature all through our existence? We would have never made it pas a hunter-gatherer society and you and me wouldn't be enjoying the possibility of pondering this interesting fact. If you believe that we shouldn't touch nature, better kill yourself right now because as long as you're human, you'll be on the wrong side of this artificial, unfounded division you just made.


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