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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19000531 - 10/19/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19000598 - 10/19/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.




I don't know what to think of you any more Crystal G, what happened to the crazy girl who went out on crack benders and did test till she had a clit bigger than a babies fist?!


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: The Vapor]
    #19000639 - 10/19/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.




I don't know what to think of you any more Crystal G, what happened to the crazy girl who went out on crack benders and did test till she had a clit bigger than a babies fist?!




LOL!!!! i knew somebody was going to come in here and say that. Actually risky behavior such as one-night stands, gambling, and drug use has been shown to be statistically more common among people who work in finance than other occupations. If you think about the work it makes sense. Finance is a very risky business itself, and people who are drawn to adrenaline rushes and the risk of winning it all or losing everything are the type of people who go into this business.

No more fucking around here. I'll probably do another cycle in the future, but nothing else that will drain my life savings anymore.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19000698 - 10/19/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.




Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.





I have no degree but I just jumped into a job for a large manufacturer, I
worked 5 months in production before it was suggested that I apply  for a
new position (yes, even the employees have to apply for internal
positions). my new position puts me in the shop and the office, I have a
maintenance staff of 37 at my disposal, I can call on the dozen engineers
to aid me and often work along side them in the development of my ideas


the top end of the pay scale for me isnt as high as $190k the engineers can
earn but if you include my benefits it can push me over the $100k mark


not bad for a guy with an 8th grade education. maybe it's just the people you know


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19000738 - 10/19/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have no degree but I just jumped into a job for a large manufacturer, I
worked 5 months in production before it was suggested that I apply  for a
new position (yes, even the employees have to apply for internal
positions). my new position puts me in the shop and the office, I have a
maintenance staff of 37 at my disposal, I can call on the dozen engineers
to aid me and often work along side them in the development of my ideas

the top end of the pay scale for me isnt as high as $190k the engineers can
earn but if you include my benefits it can push me over the $100k mark


not bad for a guy with an 8th grade education. maybe it's just the people you know




Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.

Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.

But even for men who perform manual labor, the money is good while you are young, but the work becomes harder and harder to do especially when health complications naturally arise due to age. There is only a certain number of years you can work in these fields. So I think, it's still good to have a degree to rely on, so one can attain promotions or extend to other fields.

But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19000782 - 10/19/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL!!!! i knew somebody was going to come in here and say that. Actually risky behavior such as one-night stands, gambling, and drug use has been shown to be statistically more common among people who work in finance than other occupations. If you think about the work it makes sense. Finance is a very risky business itself, and people who are drawn to adrenaline rushes and the risk of winning it all or losing everything are the type of people who go into this business.

No more fucking around here. I'll probably do another cycle in the future, but nothing else that will drain my life savings anymore.




Yeah, it makes sense, even more so if you were into stock things. Just giving you a hard time though, lol.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19000858 - 10/19/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.




I prefer to think of it as serendipity.  Do you know who is not likely to ever "get lucky"?  Patlal.
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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




They question your ability to do the work because you can't. 
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But even for men who perform manual labor, the money is good while you are young, but the work becomes harder and harder to do especially when health complications naturally arise due to age. There is only a certain number of years you can work in these fields. So I think, it's still good to have a degree to rely on, so one can attain promotions or extend to other fields.




I'm 56 and still doing it although not what I used to do.  I do not hump stacks of lumber and haven't for decades.  That's what the meat is for.  I'm the brains and the hands, not so much the muscle.  I have a degree in nonsense just like so many here but I never had any illusions that it would help me in my career.
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But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.




I got my real career training in the summers.  School was just jerking off.  It was fucking easy as shit, too.

In re: the real estate agent thing.  Don't expect to make much money for a while.  And it won't help if you look at it like a part-time side job.  We have a lot of ladies who lunch around here with their real estate licenses who do no business at all because they don't work at it.  Then we have a very few like my wife who has been a professional sales person her whole career and treats it like a serious, corporate, big hour job.  They make well into the six figures.

You seem like you have experience and a facility for sales and marketing.  That is good.  A successful real estate agent does not get successful by selling real estate.  Real estate mostly sells itself and the agent's job is to make sure the deal doesn't go sour.  What successful real estate agents sell is themselves.  They also have to massage the egos of a whole universe of self absorbed jerkoffs.  Good luck


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19000905 - 10/19/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.




it's not luck, it's marketing and presentation, it's the way you sell yourself to a potential employer

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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses

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But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.





what I've seen, employers in atlanta are willing to hire the young ones out of college because they'll work for less than their older counterparts, an employer is investing time and money into training an employee so if they're paying less initially it offsets the costs if the person quits in a year or two.

the field of employment is also important as many have stated, right now in
the atlanta and outlying suburbs, medical is the guaranteed market for
employment, the baby boomers are getting older, they're retiring and their
health is failing, they're one of the larger population segments and
currently there's nurses that are pulling $100k+ per year, my neighbors
combined income is around $160k, both are nurses. as several have
mentioned, engineers are making bank and in demand, it's a field that not
many women go into, no clue as to why but the engineers I work with are
well paid and the ease at which starfire has hopped jobs has shown that the
industry needs engineers, both mechanical and electrical especially with
the automated systems being put into place


today is the market in which having a degree means nothing, having the
right degree means everything, so majoring in philosophy could mean a job
at burger king regardless of whether you have a PhD or a BA while a BE
could be an $80k/year job without experience


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Patlal]
    #19000918 - 10/19/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?





Masters in? ...Masters in? ..Masters in?


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19000947 - 10/19/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses






Wrong. At 18 years old, looking like a homeless vampire from twilight, I walked into offices at two different companies working oil rigs, and hired because of the way I hold myself. Eye contact, willingness to learn, and a sharp tongue have gotten me far more opportunities than my education.


I don't even put my hvac/plumbing certs on my applications anymore.



90 hours a week, at $16 hr, with OT, is a hell of a paycheck.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Shroom_i]
    #19001052 - 10/19/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses






Wrong. At 18 years old, looking like a homeless vampire from twilight, I walked into offices at two different companies working oil rigs, and hired because of the way I hold myself. Eye contact, willingness to learn, and a sharp tongue have gotten me far more opportunities than my education.


I don't even put my hvac/plumbing certs on my applications anymore.



90 hours a week, at $16 hr, with OT, is a hell of a paycheck.





did you not read the part in my post where I said "it's about how you market yourself"


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19001226 - 10/19/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Chickitty check yoself befo you wreck yoself.

I'm bad fo ya healf.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: thoughts]
    #19001370 - 10/19/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If Crystal G knows one thing, it's how to sell herself!


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: unknown1123] * 1
    #19001462 - 10/19/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If Crystal G knows one thing, it's how to sell herself!



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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Patlal]
    #19001477 - 10/19/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?




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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: fbi365]
    #19001588 - 10/19/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol so get a JD in environmental law??


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion]
    #19001717 - 10/19/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It really depends what field your BA is in, and what kind of demand there is for the field your job is in.

I'm taking a Network Systems Administration program which is in high demand, expected time before I get a job after the program is done is right away, to 2 months.

If you get a degree in something like philosophy or the arts, good luck getting a job. Odds are you'll be working a minimum wage job for quite some time.

Get a degree in Mechatronics, or Autocad, you'll land a job pretty quick.

Sure credentials mean something, but demand for your job can mean quite a lot as well.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19001751 - 10/19/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They question your ability to do the work because you can't. 




Yea, maybe when I was just out of high school I wouldn't have been able to. But now that I've been going to the gym and lifting heavy and after having experimented with steroids twice, I do believe I would be able to. Maybe not the absolute most strenuous of jobs where I'd be lifting 400-500lbs like the guys at moving companies do, but lifting 100-200lbs for me for several hours in a day is easily doable for me right now.

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In re: the real estate agent thing.  Don't expect to make much money for a while.  And it won't help if you look at it like a part-time side job.  We have a lot of ladies who lunch around here with their real estate licenses who do no business at all because they don't work at it.  Then we have a very few like my wife who has been a professional sales person her whole career and treats it like a serious, corporate, big hour job.  They make well into the six figures.

You seem like you have experience and a facility for sales and marketing.  That is good.  A successful real estate agent does not get successful by selling real estate.  Real estate mostly sells itself and the agent's job is to make sure the deal doesn't go sour.  What successful real estate agents sell is themselves.  They also have to massage the egos of a whole universe of self absorbed jerkoffs.  Good luck




Yea, I don't know all that much about the real-estate business. The guy who has his broker license at my office just does it as a side job though. He started out in real-estate and then went into finance, but then decided that finance should be his main career while real-estate was his side business.

Massaging the egos of self-absorbed jerkoffs--sounds a whole lot like customer service. It's probably like being in the service industry--if you can make strangers laugh, you will be successful. I used to be an introvert that didn't know how to talk. Working with people really developed my interaction with people and my social skills.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: fbi365]
    #19001809 - 10/19/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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fbi365 said:
I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?




public policy and administration emphasis in environmental policy




Have you tried applying for the city or state?
Did you complete internships along the way?
What unknown said... JD in environmental law?


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19001917 - 10/19/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Brokers and agents are two different things.

Best side job is to be just a lister. 3% comish for nothing :cookiemonster:


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