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The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement
#18989605 - 10/17/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4828448/silk-road-lsd-avengers-drug-inspectors
Was asked by a mod to repost this here since it was deleted in the pube. Hopefully it won't get deleted, again.
Acid is a freaky drug; it can make you feel like you’re a kid again, or trap you in a real-life horror movie. So when you buy it off the internet, there’s understandably some trepidation: is this going to make me completely lose my mind forever?
A group calling itself The LSD Avengers arose to answer that question for users of the Silk Road, the deep-web black market that sold drugs and other contraband until police took it down earlier this month. After a slew of scams on the site and reports of dubious acid, the Avengers began ordering from different vendors on the site, subjecting their wares to a chemical reagent test and a gas chromatography mass-spectrometry machine. If the drug was in fact LSD, the Avengers consumed it and posted Yelp-like reviews.
"When the Silk Road started the majority of LSD was actually a variety of research chemicals," says an individual who identified himself or herself as "the Official Spokesperson of the LSD Avengers which is a volunteer-based infrastructure in an anonymous libertarian marketplace." "Due to the lack of information on the longterm effects of these drugs, we wanted to make efforts to protect our curious brothers and sisters."
THE AVENGERS BOUGHT AND CONSUMED ACID AND POSTED YELP-LIKE REVIEWS
The Avengers also factored packaging, general cautiousness, shipping time, and customer service into their evaluations. They posted their last review on October 1st, the day before Silk Road was seized by the authorities. They had reviewed 60 vendors, include 14 "star" sellers, 19 "OK" sellers, and 27 "bad" sellers.
Some typical reviews:
3JANE - Canada to International. Known fondly as the Queen of SR. Quality LSD with appropriate dosages advertised. Extreme Ninja-Spy stealth shipping with friendly communication. HAIZENBERG - Czech to International. Extremely friendly and personable customer service with consistent product and regular stock. Currently selling: Hofmann, Dancing Bears and Strawberrys (advertising 110ug) Trip Test Hofmann: ~100ug MARIJUANAISMYMUSE/GOINGPOSTAL - Canada to International. Vials and some other shit. Last time we tried to test them they packaged the acid so badly that it was seized in transit. A few past selective scamming claims from trusted members, so be absolutely sure to read their FE [finalize early] and refund policies. We still don't know the quality/consistency of the acid because it was taken by LE [law enforcement] and will not be able to test them for safety reasons The Avengers were looking for sellers who stole customers’ money or tried to pawn blank pieces of paper. More often, however, they were looking to root out research chemicals that were being sold as acid. Those include DOx compounds (synthetic amphetamines), the 25x-NBOMe or 25x family (synthetic psychedelics that have only been around for the past few years), and ergoloid (a compound invented by the creator of LSD and used to treat dementia). These chemicals aren’t more dangerous than acid; they just have slightly different effects. They are also newer, so their cumulative effects are not well understood.
MOST OFTEN, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR RESEARCH CHEMICALS BEING SOLD AS LSD
While research chemicals have their fans, the Avengers were interested in the original stuff: lysergic acid diethylamide, a powerful psychedelic derived from a fungi that grows on rye. "LSD is a beautiful substance that is more special to us than other classic psychedelics," the spokesperson says.
"Once the chem test checked out, we would have somebody test it for potency," the spokesperson says. "Or we'd send it to the lab. So somebody in the Avengers family has tried each batch we approve."
The Avengers were in search of the "Holy Grail" of LSD, known as "needlepoint acid," which has a high purity. "We saw a little bit of it," the spokesperson says in an email. "In fact, it was starting to come around A LOT literally a week before Silk Road was taken."
The semi-professionalism of the Avengers reflects the needs of the clientele on Silk Road, which had become a hub for serious recreational drug users. The Avengers and their fans treated the site like a foodie at a gourmet tradeshow.
The Avengers also posted photos of the tests they ran. (Source: Silk Road forums)
THE AVENGERS HAVE RETIRED NOW THAT SILK ROAD HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN
Silk Road seemed to be a safe place to buy really good drugs, if you knew what you were doing. The prices might be higher than what you’d pay on the street, but dealers on Silk Road were held somewhat accountable by the community. The seller-rating system built into the site, along with efforts by unofficial groups like the Avengers, created a meritocracy that rewarded dealers who sold good stuff (with the exception of the infamous tony76 fraud, in which a well-reputed seller took a bulk of orders and disappeared). And when law enforcement tested the wares on Silk Road, police found they typically had a high purity level of the drug advertised.
The Avengers have retired now that Silk Road has been shut down, although there is already a successor on Black Market Reloaded, one of the newer virtual black markets taking in Silk Road refugees. Other similar review groups existed for ecstasy and the hallucinogen DMT, part of a self-regulating community amid the anarchy of the digital black markets.
"We had a good ride," the LSD Avengers spokesperson says. "We are pretty tired now and had our fun."
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#18989852 - 10/17/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These chemicals aren’t more dangerous than acid; they just have slightly different effects.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: lurkmode]
#18989858 - 10/17/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These dudes were cool, helped me from getting scammed over and made it easy to know who to buy from. <3
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: LysergicX7]
#18989877 - 10/17/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is cool of them to have such a service. I like the idea of a market with safety principles. Too bad it got shut down, perhaps something as good will come forth. I never even visited the site, as haven't had a pc in years and my android little machine is pretty damn lousy for software.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: lurkmode]
#18990393 - 10/17/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lurkmode said: These chemicals aren’t more dangerous than acid; they just have slightly different effects.

So are you saying nbome's arent dangerous?
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: mndfreeze]
#18990597 - 10/17/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These chemicals aren’t more dangerous than acid; they just have slightly different effects. They are also newer, so their cumulative effects are not well understood.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
There is no known human LD50 for LSD. I don't think we even have a "this amount might maybe kill some person out there....we think...kinda...maybe" dosage range for LSD. People have taken hundreds of times a normal "effective" dose of LSD and lived. Sometimes even more. The thumbprint thread, if you believe the testimonies therein, are evidence of this. We are talking over 50 years of widespread LSD use, sometimes in irresponsible amounts, with no clear cases of "overdose" directly causing death.
On the other hand, NBOMes have only been on the streets for a couple years, and they already have at least a handful or two of documented deaths, and countless other bad reactions, up to and including seizures and hospitalization.
Whoever wrote this either did absolutely jack shit for research, or they're one of the legions of moronically brainwashed, fully-in-denial 25i burnouts, who you can occasionally find online ridiculously defending their way-too-cheap drug of choice, simply because it is their drug of choice.
Fucking nonsense. And the loss of a group whose mission was to determine the wheat from the chaff is definitely a sad thing.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: CidneyIndole]
#18991839 - 10/17/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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CidneyIndole said:
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These chemicals aren’t more dangerous than acid; they just have slightly different effects. They are also newer, so their cumulative effects are not well understood.
The thumbprint thread, if you believe the testimonies therein, are evidence of this.
Thumb Print Thread (my favorite thread in shroomery history)
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: funkerdslr]
#18991852 - 10/17/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Acid Superheros
I wonder if anyone will step up on some of the new sites popping up.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: ChinChiller]
#18993204 - 10/17/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the other hand, NBOMes have only been on the streets for a couple years, and they already have at least a handful or two of documented deaths, and countless other bad reactions, up to and including seizures and hospitalization.
Whoever wrote this either did absolutely jack shit for research, or they're one of the legions of moronically brainwashed, fully-in-denial 25i burnouts, who you can occasionally find online ridiculously defending their way-too-cheap drug of choice, simply because it is their drug of choice.
Fucking nonsense. And the loss of a group whose mission was to determine the wheat from the chaff is definitely a sad thing.
Hey, not everyone can afford to pay $10/tab for 50 micrograms of real LSD, which usually takes a while to find.
I like 25c, though LSD is a vastly better experience. 25i is too potent for the 2a receptors. Way too potent.
The problem is that people underestimate the sheer potency of NBoMe compounds, which have an incredibly high affinity for the 5ht2a receptors... Hell, 25i approaches a full agonist. Insuffulating these compounds or suggesting 1 mg as a good dose is a terrible idea, considering the peripheral effects alongside the potent psychological effects.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: CidneyIndole]
#18995365 - 10/18/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lethality is not the only thing that defines dangerousness.
LSD, especially in high dosages to those without experience with psychedelics can put you in a state of "psychosis" just as effectively as any DOX, or nbome,o r put yourself in danger to yourself or others.
Anyone who claims lsd is completely safe is probably just very distanced from reality.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: aperson444]
#18995373 - 10/18/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the other hand, NBOMes have only been on the streets for a couple years, and they already have at least a handful or two of documented deaths, and countless other bad reactions, up to and including seizures and hospitalization.
Whoever wrote this either did absolutely jack shit for research, or they're one of the legions of moronically brainwashed, fully-in-denial 25i burnouts, who you can occasionally find online ridiculously defending their way-too-cheap drug of choice, simply because it is their drug of choice.
Fucking nonsense. And the loss of a group whose mission was to determine the wheat from the chaff is definitely a sad thing.
Hey, not everyone can afford to pay $10/tab for 50 micrograms of real LSD, which usually takes a while to find.
I like 25c, though LSD is a vastly better experience. 25i is too potent for the 2a receptors. Way too potent.
The problem is that people underestimate the sheer potency of NBoMe compounds, which have an incredibly high affinity for the 5ht2a receptors... Hell, 25i approaches a full agonist. Insuffulating these compounds or suggesting 1 mg as a good dose is a terrible idea, considering the peripheral effects alongside the potent psychological effects.
Yeah, but there have been reported cases where the person took the very same dose, from the same batch as numerous other people, and suddenly had a horrible reaction. That is one of the things, IMHO that makes this shit so dangerous-- we have yet to understand, at all, why some people seem to react poorly, possibly even seize, or die, while some people just end up tripping.
One might assume that inexpertly, unevenly laid blotter is to blame for that. And I'm sure that may be the case in some situations. But I've heard of at least one of those cases where the dosing medium was liquid, and the dose was a single drop. So I don't think it's that black and white either.
And hey, I wish you could find real acid. And if NBOMes are something you want to do, either way, more power to you. I just hate it that scumfuck losers with no morals beyond their own personal greed ruin it for everyone. IMO this garbage should not be on the streets, because the rewards for selling off this overly-cheap, overly-available garbage as "real LSD" is way too high. And until it's unprofitable for scumbags to pass this off as LSD, it will be a risk to anyone buying blotter without a good test kit. Which equates to almost everyone who is buying blotter.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: mukhail]
#18995960 - 10/18/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mukhail said: Lethality is not the only thing that defines dangerousness.
LSD, especially in high dosages to those without experience with psychedelics can put you in a state of "psychosis" just as effectively as any DOX, or nbome,o r put yourself in danger to yourself or others.
Anyone who claims lsd is completely safe is probably just very distanced from reality.
Yes of course psychedelics can be mentally difficult. No one here is saying that LSD is some safe wonder drug with no negative consequenses. The point is this:
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There is no known human LD50 for LSD. I don't think we even have a "this amount might maybe kill some person out there....we think...kinda...maybe" dosage range for LSD. People have taken hundreds of times a normal "effective" dose of LSD and lived. Sometimes even more. The thumbprint thread, if you believe the testimonies therein, are evidence of this. We are talking over 50 years of widespread LSD use, sometimes in irresponsible amounts, with no clear cases of "overdose" directly causing death.
On the other hand, NBOMes have only been on the streets for a couple years, and they already have at least a handful or two of documented deaths, and countless other bad reactions, up to and including seizures and hospitalization.
Ok so maybe its fun and safe in certain doses, but it can also KILL you, something LSD has not and will never do.
That is enough reason for me to never want to touch that shit
Plus it is still so new that we do not yet know the long term affects on our brain/body
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: mndfreeze]
#18998331 - 10/19/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Avengers were in search of the "Holy Grail" of LSD, known as "needlepoint acid," which has a high purity. "We saw a little bit of it," the spokesperson says in an email. "In fact, it was starting to come around A LOT literally a week before Silk Road was taken."
What nonsense. Needlepoint. How exactly did they determine LSD was "needlepoint"?
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: my3rdeye]
#18998459 - 10/19/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree. its word of mouth/a guess when u get a botter.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: my3rdeye]
#18998508 - 10/19/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said:
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The Avengers were in search of the "Holy Grail" of LSD, known as "needlepoint acid," which has a high purity. "We saw a little bit of it," the spokesperson says in an email. "In fact, it was starting to come around A LOT literally a week before Silk Road was taken."
What nonsense. Needlepoint. How exactly did they determine LSD was "needlepoint"?
There were a few people here and there selling raw crystal on SR
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18999912 - 10/19/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, but there have been reported cases where the person took the very same dose, from the same batch as numerous other people, and suddenly had a horrible reaction. That is one of the things, IMHO that makes this shit so dangerous-- we have yet to understand, at all, why some people seem to react poorly, possibly even seize, or die, while some people just end up tripping.
Probably the high potency of the compound for the 5ht2a receptor (5ht2c as well?).
While rare, very rare, fatal overdoses of LSD seem to cause similar effects (seizures).
There could also be a possibility that the compound is not completely soluble in one solvent, but highly soluble in another.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: aperson444]
#19001645 - 10/19/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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While rare, very rare, fatal overdoses of LSD seem to cause similar effects
Citation needed . . .
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19001842 - 10/19/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These unfortunate souls mistook crystalline LSD for coke. They wound up in comas, and would have died if not for being put on ventilators. Megadoses of LSD are without a doubt lethal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: o8u]
#19001946 - 10/19/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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o8u said: These unfortunate souls mistook crystalline LSD for coke. They wound up in comas, and would have died if not for being put on ventilators. Megadoses of LSD are without a doubt lethal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/
Dude that was in 1975 hahaha. Is that all you could come up with? LSD is not lethal lol
Nbomes have not been out very long and a lot of people have died from that or put in hospital, vs. LSD which has been around for over 70 years now. I will stick with the LSD thank you very much
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19004270 - 10/20/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, LSD is a remarkably safe drug, exponentially safer than the RC's being peddled as alternatives, but an outrageously high dose will result in death. To say that LSD cannot kill is factually incorrect.
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