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Transporting a small stash in vehicles
    #19001595 - 10/19/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SWIM knows a guy who makes deliveries around town. He delivers things that the local PD dosnt like.

He was thinking of making his car look like a pizza delivery car with the little sign on top and everything. He wants to get an official looking uniform and he started collecting pizza boxes.

He wants to keep his product In the empty boxes, deliver right to the front door, and make the exchange.

Any thoughts on his idea or better ways to make his deliveries?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19001609 - 10/19/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: johnm214]
    #19001634 - 10/19/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You could do that and if you ever get pulled over you could say you make pranks and this is one of the ones you do, and have some prank idea with the pizza setup incase they ask. Say you make utub vids

Or it might just draw attention to you, probably better ways to conceal a small stash tbh.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19001724 - 10/19/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19001741 - 10/19/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not a terrible idea.. few things to address though

Why would a delivery guy have empty pizza boxes?  Pizza delivery guys deliver the pizza along with the box.
Also, would the sign on the top of the car be for a made up pizza place? Or for a local pizza place?  I wouldn't make up a pizza business, local PD would catch on to that I bet


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Salomon] * 1
    #19001762 - 10/19/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

BAD IDEA Here is the problem. Cops espesally in local area know the Pizza places. They love Pizza, A strange Pizza Truck around town. A place they have never herd off They might want to check that Pizza co out.There trained to notice unusual things, Its best to just be a non chalant blend in kind of person, Become invisable. Drive a white car and just blend in breake no laws that will get you  pulled then you be ok


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Eddeee]
    #19001915 - 10/19/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The city is fairly large, and the sign would be for Pizza Hut or dominoes, one of the big chains.
And the boxes would look fine assembled I think. You couldn't tell if they were empty at a glance.

His main concern is if he did get pulled over the car might not smell like its full of pizza unless he used old used pizza boxes.

SWIMs friend figured this was a decent way to conceal multiple bags.
Having these multiple bags gives him intent to sell or distribution.

I'm assuming his main thought here was that he's never seen a pizza guy pulled over.
His second best idea was make his car look like a taxi, I guess he's never seen one of those pulled over either, as mentioned earlier its a good sized city and taxis arnt uncommon


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19001956 - 10/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I guess what im trying to convey here is the Man knows a lot of shit. There is a specal licence for taxi drivers and the cops like to see that. I have a bit of experance as a Taxi driver and yes they do get pulled just to check for cradentials. There are a lot of un licenced taxi drivers around so they like to find those guys. Why an elabrate skeem. Really just obey all traffic laws. They have to have probale cause to pull you. They can't just random pull people to see if there carring drugs. In a big city even easer to just blend in.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Eddeee]
    #19002120 - 10/19/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Didnt even think about the credentials. Good call thank you. And the town has a population of around 50k and still developing. I believe the PD in SWIMs town wants to keep it from developing and to be blunt the cops are racist and dicks.

The other main thought was late at night the pizza guy dosnt get a second glance cops think he's out doing his job. However those driving late often get pulled over for DUI checks and just for being black or looking suspisious.

I know it might sound off and that's because it is. The PD really likes to make its presence known and I swear they love random searches

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz] * 4
    #19002276 - 10/20/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

50k is very small. The cops will know every pizza place out there and what the delivery vehicles look like for each place.  In addition, the pizza place that you're pretending to work for will eventually find out that someone is driving around in a car that claims to be from that place.  One of the delivery drivers or customers will see you...Or you'll inadvertently piss someone off and they'll call the company to complain.

Once the company knows you're out there, the cops will know...then they'll be looking for you.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #19002585 - 10/20/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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50k is very small. The cops will know every pizza place out there and what the delivery vehicles look like for each place.  In addition, the pizza place that you're pretending to work for will eventually find out that someone is driving around in a car that claims to be from that place.  One of the delivery drivers or customers will see you...Or you'll inadvertently piss someone off and they'll call the company to complain.

Once the company knows you're out there, the cops will know...then they'll be looking for you.

Of course, you'll never see this post, because you have me ignored.



Why are you ignoring Enlil Wtf?
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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19002688 - 10/20/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know a dealer who works for Dominoes. He has his own moped to deliver and sells weed. He'll also sell at the counter if you order a special code phrase. I think it's "special garlic bread" or something.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Wild] * 1
    #19003218 - 10/20/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just hide the stash underneath some tools in a toolbox that is locked. Could always say just a HVAC service tech out doing calls. Toolbox is locked because just came from a call in a bad neighborhood and didn't want tools to get stolen.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19003232 - 10/20/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've also heard that when you get pulled over if you have a locked container of any type the police cannot search it with out a warrant. Can anyone say if this is true?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19003318 - 10/20/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've also heard that when you get pulled over if you have a locked container of any type the police cannot search it with out a warrant. Can anyone say if this is true?



You heard wrong.  They generally can't terry frisk a locked container, but they can do a search of them if they have probable cause.  See California v. Acevedo, 500 U.S. 565 (1991):

"The interpretation of the Carroll doctrine set forth in Ross now applies to all searches of containers found in an automobile. In other words, the police may search without a warrant if their search is supported by probable cause."

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #19003698 - 10/20/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've also heard that when you get pulled over if you have a locked container of any type the police cannot search it with out a warrant. Can anyone say if this is true?



You heard wrong.  They generally can't terry frisk a locked container, but they can do a search of them if they have probable cause.  See California v. Acevedo, 500 U.S. 565 (1991):

"The interpretation of the Carroll doctrine set forth in Ross now applies to all searches of containers found in an automobile. In other words, the police may search without a warrant if their search is supported by probable cause."

Someone quote this and change the spelling of my name so OP can read it.



So if someone has a pad lock on a small toolbox in the vehicle they can break the lock open without a warrant?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19003736 - 10/20/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They can ask you to remove the lock, and if you refuse, they can cut it, sure...

This is all assuming that they have probable cause to search the vehicle and that the item they're looking for could fit in the toolbox.  If they have probable cause to believe you're carrying a stolen bowling ball, and the toolbox is too small to hold a bowling ball, no...they can't search it.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #19003911 - 10/20/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19004022 - 10/20/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think that case mainly refers to an unsecure container like bags or luggage. I've been pulled over before and searched in my buddy's S10. He had an older model with a locked glove box. Cop searched everywhere and he asked for the key to the glovebox. We honestly didnt have it and he ended his search. He searched us because he smelled pot but never found any.

This was about 5 years ago but still he had probable cause but never proceeded with his search.
Any explanation for this? Did I miss something in that case you refered to? Why didn't he just break it open?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19004047 - 10/20/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if he had probable cause or not.  It sounds like he was just doing a terry frisk.  It's also possible (though not likely) that your particular state has protections that exceed the 4th amendment. In any case, expecting cops to know the law is like expecting pharmacy technicians to know how to do surgery.

The 4th amendment allows the search of locked containers in vehicles based on probable cause alone.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: MystiqueMushroom] * 1
    #19004643 - 10/20/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why are you ignoring Enlil Wtf?
Also Enlil is right.



:whathesaid:

Not to offend, and this may get me also ignored by you, but if you're so thick-skulled as to add a qualified guy that gives free legal advice--namely, Enlil--to your ignore list, then you're definitely not going to be able to outsmart the cops, and should plan on getting busted.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #19004911 - 10/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Enlil was ignored for a good reason, I also found he was being ignored by 20+ members. I guess he has a habit of pissing people off. So I ignored him to avoid further conflict.

I have no issues with you or any of his friends. He just rubbed me the wrong way, if hes a good guy tho and you'd advise it ill unblock him


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19004985 - 10/20/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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if hes a good guy tho and you'd advise it ill unblock him



:thatsayes:

imnsho, he gives the most reliable legal advice on this forum and site.

oh, and btw, he's a District Attorney. We should all be thankful that he's made himself available here. So if something he says bruises your fragile male ego, then suck it up and thank him for his time.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #19005104 - 10/20/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not, nor have I ever been, a DA.

I used to be a public defender.  I quit that recently to open a practice


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    #19005209 - 10/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not, nor have I ever been, a DA.

I used to be a public defender.  I quit that recently to open a practice



and he's an honest man!!! :wink:

Anyway, to answer your question, consider making your deliveries on a bicycle.

On a bicycle you're much more agile. You can quickly flip around if you see trouble, quietly coast down back roads, take back trails... and it's great exercise!

Perhaps most importantly, in this drug war that targets assets instead of crime, you don't have any real assets for the cops to seize in the case of a bust. If you're driving, and get busted, they get your car. No bragging rights for an officer that busts a guy on a bike.

Make sure that you have lights on the main roads, but turn them off at appropriate times.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #19005366 - 10/20/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #19005569 - 10/20/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The bike is a good idea but DAMN that would take forever!!

And district attorney for where? Sounds sketchy.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19005623 - 10/20/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The bike is a good idea but DAMN that would take forever!!

And district attorney for where? Sounds sketchy.

Any way thanks for the ideas



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I used to be a public defender.  I quit that recently to open a practice




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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #19005640 - 10/20/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He can't read it because I'm on ignore.  Only if you change the spelling of my name in the quote.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #19008745 - 10/21/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Or, you could just get a job at a place delivering pizza. If it's a busy enough place, you should be able to get runs near your customers. Or if slower, maybe make it between runs. I've known people who have done this. And you're not far off the track... cops usually don't mess with the delivery guys too bad. (At least not in my area. Or unless they're doing something blatant they can't ignore, of course.)



Also, those pizza places don't just throw a few boxes of pie into the car. They use hot bags. An observant / knowledgeable enough cop might pick up on this. Just saying...


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19008841 - 10/21/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Underestimating police is the best way to get caught.


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    #19009463 - 10/21/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The bag is a good point, I'm sure you could buy one online right? Same as the sign to go on top of the car. Ill look into it.

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    #19009504 - 10/21/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I do find it entertaining the way you unignore me to read my posts and then ignore me again after you've read them.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #19015608 - 10/22/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I read this title and feel the need to post. 

I delivered pizza and food for 4 years.  When buying drugs, I would put my top on. Always.

I was once pulled over while actually working and had a dirty bong laying in the back in its case.  You couldlnt see it but you sure could smell it.  The cop told me to "slow the fuck down", and let me go.  I didnt even realize the bong was back there till I got home later that night.

Ive been let off the hook on two other seperate occasions while working with my cartop on, and was let away with a warning on both.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: mantis90]
    #19016080 - 10/22/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's awesome, like I said its just an idea however it seems like it would work.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19017746 - 10/23/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If ur really gonna do this and move weight do it right.  Buy a pizza or hot food bag to look legit and dress like driver when ur moving stuff.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: mantis90]
    #19017794 - 10/23/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's what my buddy was thinking, if the car didnt smell like pizza and look the part it could raise suspicion.

He was also thinking delivering pizza would give him an excuse for having alot of cash in the car

How much cash would you normally have in your car after a run?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19018218 - 10/23/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some nights I would have 300+ cash in my car, in a money bag


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    #19021326 - 10/23/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've looked Into the car top for my buddy, we have to custom make it which raises concern that the company might want to know. He was thinking of stealing one, but if reported stolen that might make the police pull over that companies drivers. Which is void of the point of this whole disguise.

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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19021467 - 10/23/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i remember reading some article on this site of one man who done the same but didn't get to far with it.

50k is a big enough city to move around and get this to there.  funny thought as to why, what, when and where?


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19021512 - 10/23/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Could you find the link and post it good sir? It would be much appreciated

And thank you for the response!


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Rzhoz]
    #19026557 - 10/24/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think you are overthinking this.

Just dress professionally (shirt with a collar), drive a volvo if possible as they rarely get pulled over, and conceal anything illegal well.

Wear a pocket protector and keep a laptop bag on the passenger seat.

A good excuse for stopping by someones house for just a minute is to return something.  If you hit the end of a book sale you should be able to get books for 25 cents each or so.  Drop one off every time you make a delivery and their neighbors will just think that they read a lot.

The customers will love the nerdy look and will appreciate discrete deliveries rather than having some shady looking dude show up for 2 minutes.


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Re: Transporting a small stash in vehicles (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19027076 - 10/24/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is a good thought man kudos. When I use to deliver goods I dressed like a nerd but not to that extent.

Ill let my buddy know. Thanks for your advise


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