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Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC)
    #18999942 - 10/19/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wondering if I could get and Id on these two colorful beauts found in central North Carolina

Found growing out of a deep pile of woodchips. Looks to be partially composted, but pretty fresh.

The first is bright orange and seems to be dropping orange spores.  has a pretty tough stem with a cap the consistency of oyster mushrooms, but perhaps a bit more brittle.











The second specimens were much more numerous and seemed to grow gregariously.  They have dense, bright purple stems and caps with yellow gills. Still waiting on spore to drop from these, I'll update when they do.





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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #18999954 - 10/19/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful colours on your first one. I don't know Gymnopilus really well but perhaps G. liquiritae.

Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000006 - 10/19/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Beautiful colours on your first one. I don't know Gymnopilus really well but perhaps G. liquiritae.

Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.



I think they are all Gymnopilus aeruginosus. The decurrent gills, and the stems remind me of my finds. Compare.



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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie] * 1
    #19000056 - 10/19/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.





Why not G. luteofolius?

OP, could you cut some younger ones in half so we can see the context?  (inside)

Any bluish/greenish staining?



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000066 - 10/19/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.





Why not G. luteofolius?

OP, could you cut some younger ones in half so we can see the context?  (inside)

Any bluish/greenish staining?





I thought the scales weren't strong enough and it didn't show up for NC on the shroomery page (or I'd be toying with G. purpuratus. Not to mention G. liquiritae isn't there but I was clutching at straws). I also thought the first lot had caps that seem too smooth and orangey to be the same species. But honestly I don't know nuffin, I will watch and learn!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000099 - 10/19/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that these are both the same species, they just seem far too different in shape, color, texture and size.  The Purple specimens have a much thicker stem and completly different coloration. 

I will attach a picture below of one cut in half.  The picture was snapped only a second after the cut, so i'll post back if I see any bluing/bruising.



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121] * 1
    #19000120 - 10/19/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What a striking purple outline.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19000258 - 10/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like the context is not purple and that points in favor of G. aeruginosus.

I was not aware that the scales are different on the species, is that true?

Hesler says the microscopic features on the two species are the same, but Laura Guzman recently told me that she has been able to find microscopic differences.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000390 - 10/19/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That was just a recollection from looking at the Google images yesterday, that G. aerigunosus tends to have much more crowded scales and G. luteofolius has these quite broad ones. It might not be consistent or definitive.

Apart from the ones in my friend's tank (that I still want someone to scope) the only Gyms I have found are our local G. junonius that are not blueing (and that I haven't yet put to the test) so expect me to be potentially talking crap here.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000477 - 10/19/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000512 - 10/19/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000599 - 10/19/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps the taxon needs dividing further. My most recent books have G. spectabilis as a defunct name, so I guess British mycologists aren't presently accepting any distinction. But there is this further anomaly with European G. junonius/spectabilis not bluing.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000632 - 10/19/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

G. junonius and G. spectabilis are both European names and it is likely that in the US we need new names.

G. junonius is a medium sized Gymnopilus, while G. spectabilis is quite large.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000646 - 10/19/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks. As I work on improving my microscopy it will be something I hope to understand a lot better before long, and maybe then I'll have something useful to report on the mess at our end. :smile:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19001076 - 10/19/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Joie and Alan, first of all, thank you so much for your in depth discussion on this ID, I am glad to know others are as interested as myself on this endeavor. 

After 4 hours, the split mushroom looks mostly the same except for one spot.  While the rest of the mushroom looks the same, spite some minor dehydration, the base of the mushroom, especially where the mycellium was pulled away from the wood-chip substrate is definitely showing some bluing.  It is dark now, so I will take another picture tomorrow in sunlight and see if the coloration continues.

Also, the cluster of mushrooms I picked today was only the most mature of numerous others in the wood pile, so I will continue to watch the others and see how they develop into maturity and see if that will shed any more light for the ID. Thanks a lot for the conversation fellas.

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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19001220 - 10/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I found some like that too, about a month ago in texas. Did yours bruise at all. Mine had small blue spots on caps a few hours after picking. Check them out under my user. Mine were like the purple texture ones you found. They were various sizes. Pins start out red, then purple, then when fully mature they turn yellow and lose most of the texture.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19001249 - 10/19/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My find


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19001277 - 10/19/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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G. junonius and G. spectabilis are both European names and it is likely that in the US we need new names.

G. junonius is a medium sized Gymnopilus, while G. spectabilis is quite large.





I always thought they were synonymous

Very cool, I love learning new stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001317 - 10/19/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I called mine delipis, from the research I did. They are a Australian sp thou. Idk


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001349 - 10/19/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I find these



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