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trich infected coir real?
    #19001169 - 10/19/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It seems like coir infected with trich on purpose seems like a myth.


if trich spores are all around us then wouldn't it really not matter if it was infected with trich on purpose or not? and wouldn't proper pasteurization take care of that anyway?


if its not a myth and it does affect you then does this coir look safe to use because this is the one i bought.



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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19001177 - 10/19/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No.  Everybody here is just making it up :rolleyes:

If you want to know if it has trich in it, ask the supplier, or Google the brand.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19001193 - 10/19/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well i saw about 50 people recommend 86 as optimal incubation temperature :shrug:

also the main point was whether or not it really matters with proper pasteurization, and if infected coir really makes a difference because we are surrounded by the spores constantly.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19001198 - 10/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Should it matter?  No.  In practice I wouldn't want anything I'm working with purposely infected with millions of mold spores, just so I can try and kill them.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19001214 - 10/19/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

alright, also does that coir seem fine?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19001219 - 10/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never used it, couldn't tell you.  Like I said, if you want to know, contact the supplier, or Google the brand.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19001230 - 10/19/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

googled the brand couldn't find anything so i contacted them if anyone has used it before let me know would be real helpful!

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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19001266 - 10/19/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I checked their website and they claim that their bricks are 100% coco coir with no pathogens, bacteria or fungi spores present. You're probably fine.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19001269 - 10/19/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19001443 - 10/19/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I thought the original question was whether or not it mattered. "Dead is dead" seems to be a well regarded quote here so ... wouldn't killing it negate the concern or is the concern legit? If the concern is legit then why?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: NineInchNails]
    #19001470 - 10/19/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I answered, should it matter? No.

That doesn't mean I'm purposefully taking the nastiest spawn and substrate before I sterilize/pasteurize and using it just because it should work.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19001713 - 10/19/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you get coir that has been inoculated with trichoderma, sterilize it to make sure.  Sterilized coir works as well as pasteurized and doesn't seem more prone to contamination.

Unless you get it from a hydro store, it's not likely to have microbials.
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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19001864 - 10/19/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

RR, then I pose the question to you, why does everyone bang on the bucket tek so much as most say it fails because if boiling water is used, the coir winds up partially sterilized?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19001971 - 10/19/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you get coir that has been inoculated with trichoderma, sterilize it to make sure.  Sterilized coir works as well as pasteurized and doesn't seem more prone to contamination.

Unless you get it from a hydro store, it's not likely to have microbials.
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alright sounds good, how would you recommend sterilizing coir just throwing it in the oven or is there a proper way? 


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002110 - 10/19/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In a pressure cooker.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19002152 - 10/19/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ah ok well i plan on using it as a substrate for a monotub so would i mix it up and hydrate it with the verm and sterilize it or just sterilize the coir in a PC then mix it with the verm and pasteurize?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002159 - 10/19/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mix it with the verm and hydrate to field capacity, then sterilize it all at once, in jars or bags.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19002169 - 10/19/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

alright thanks!!! plus that sounds better than trying to pasteurize.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002209 - 10/20/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not in my eyes, but to each his own.

Easier yes, better not really.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002323 - 10/20/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude. Just pasteurise it like everyone else does, it's not hard.

Here's a good tek

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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19002327 - 10/20/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well i was going to but then RR said it doesn't seem anymore prone to contams so it really doesn't seem worth it. is pasteurized coir any better vs sterilized?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002343 - 10/20/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ah man, it's late, but here we go...

Pasteurising kills most of the really nasty microbes in the substrate, while leaving many beneficial ones, that can help protect the colonising sub from contamination. From what I've read here, anyways.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19002549 - 10/20/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well i know that but like RR said there isn't much of a difference so i really don't see the point :shrug:


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002553 - 10/20/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Might as well just do the bucket tek then.....it's even easier.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19002555 - 10/20/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but thats not even pasteurization OR sterilization so if there was trich wouldn't it survive?


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19002591 - 10/20/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah but thats not even pasteurization OR sterilization so if there was trich wouldn't it survive?




If pasteurization kills trich and sterilization kills trich and bucket tek is in between I'm thinking it kills trich. From what I can tell your coir is just coir,so just pasteurize, sterilize, or bucket tek the shit and git er done. Coir is pretty forgiving, just get your field capacity right and it should do well.

I was talking to a guy in the hydroponics store I go to today about that shit and he said that they don't even carry the trich infused stuff cause its a lot more expensive than regular coir and no one wants it.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19002922 - 10/20/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow ive never heard of trich infused coir before.  Search bar time!


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19003282 - 10/20/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We pasteurize peat casing layers and manure/compost, etc., bulk substrates to preserve the beneficial microbes.  Coir doesn't seem to have these so it doesn't matter.  Furthermore, coir is very resistant to fungi spore germination unless it's riddled with plant roots, in which case the trichoderma serves as a beneficial.

I get coir and potting soil all the time with trich and various bacillus species for my other projects.  It's no more expensive at all, and in fact much cheaper than the bricks at a pet store.
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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19003459 - 10/20/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Heh go figure.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19003556 - 10/20/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I get coir and potting soil all the time with trich and various bacillus species for my other projects.  It's no more expensive at all, and in fact much cheaper than the bricks at a pet store.
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Maybe the guy I was talking to was out of it :shrug: If the coir was infused with trich, would it not have to say on the package? Would that be considered a selling feature? Just curious because I used to buy all my bricks at the pet store, but recently started buying them from the hydro store as its cheaper there. Now I'm starting to question whether I should sterilize those blocks before I use em.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19003576 - 10/20/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think the bucket tek gets falsely  blamed for a noobs contam issues when the culprit was contaminated spawn. I use the bucket tek for coir/verm/gypsum all the time with no issues at all


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003601 - 10/20/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i've never had a problem with the bucket tek...:shrug:


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19003607 - 10/20/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bucket tek :rockon: :lol:


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003625 - 10/20/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well in one fell swoop RR pretty much solved that whole debate whether he knew it or not lol. Get ready to see that quote thrown all about for every possible reason.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003639 - 10/20/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the bucket tek gets falsely  blamed for a noobs contam issues when the culprit was contaminated spawn. I use the bucket tek for coir/verm/gypsum all the time with no issues at all




I agree with that for sure. I have rarely seen the mean green doing the bucket. The only reason I started with proper pasteurization because at the time my main problem was verticilium and proper pasteurization seemed to make a difference (maybe it didn't could just be in my head). Then later I wanted to start projects with hpoo and kinda stopped looking at my buckets. Might go back to them tho just for the ease of use.

I just checked out the website for the brand of coir that I purchased. They do have a trich infused product, clearly states that it has trich in it, and is promoted as being more user friendly than their plain coir (which is what I got) so I guess I'm ok :cool:


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19003661 - 10/20/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

With all the info out there saying a sterilized substrate is just as bad as an unsterilized one that isn't pasteurized, this thread will probably end up confusing new growers about coir.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #19003689 - 10/20/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Shit just confused me. I'm going to sterilized some coir then throw a handful of dirt from outside in it lol. Instant microbes..


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #19003802 - 10/20/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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With all the info out there saying a sterilized substrate is just as bad as an unsterilized one that isn't pasteurized, this thread will probably end up confusing new growers about coir.



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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003865 - 10/20/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the bucket tek gets falsely  blamed for a noobs contam issues when the culprit was contaminated spawn. I use the bucket tek for coir/verm/gypsum all the time with no issues at all






yeah that's what i was thinking, anyway looks like I'm using the bucket tek!!


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19003895 - 10/20/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is not exactly true.

I had great success with that tek, until it failed massively.

I did a 40+ tub run with great results, then failed big time.

Check out the first link in my signature for proof....

My spawn was clean....

The truth is the bucket tek will work for most people a majority of the time, but it heats the substrate very unevenly, resulting in uneven temps throughout the process.

This leads to epic failure at unpredictable times....this is from experience.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19003932 - 10/20/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ah so it's either sterilization or pasteurization? since sterilization doesn't seem to make a difference I'll do that vs pasteurization.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19003945 - 10/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol oh lawd. I can see this is going to be a mess.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: maddchef]
    #19003959 - 10/20/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol oh lawd. I can see this is going to be a mess.




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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003969 - 10/20/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know actually chef if you think about it our discussions on here usually stay very civil and informative until 2 certain girls get involved :shrug:


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003984 - 10/20/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bucket tek :rockon: :lol:





:rockon:

Haven't had problems besides questionable spawn.

The pressure they press those bricks at is immense, and will kill damn near everything in the coir when they're pressed.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19003988 - 10/20/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
You know actually chef if you think about it our discussions on here usually stay very civil and informative until 2 certain girls get involved :shrug:





:shutthefuckup:

Just put them on ignore and enjoy life bro
:stoned:

Love you strom.


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Re: trich infected coir real? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19003996 - 10/20/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You 2 bro :hug:


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