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Joust
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maynardjameskeenan said: It probably can from; Guzman, G. The Genus Psilocybe: or Guzman, G., Jott, J. Boydston, S.H. Pollock. 1976 Psychotropic mycoflora of Washington, Idaho, Oregon, California and British Columbia
I'm just guessing, PMOTW doesn't list which species the "works cited" came from, it just rattles of references in no particular order.
I was talking to Fred Rhodes and he said that he finds pelliculosa in the deep forest. I have never seen them there, although i guess thats a thing. which ill investigate this next year. Maybe he found silvatica. There are many pelliculosa collections at WWB. Ill micro them at some point.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psilocybe silvatica [Re: Joust]
#19528088 - 02/05/14 10:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Besides the collection that describes this mushroom, is there any other collections where someone can definitely say "this is Psilocybe silvatica"!? I know Alan said that there was a mix-up with it and Psilocybe pelliculosa in some lab, but most of the pictures I see online of the species looks more like pelliculosa, which you and I know for a fact- can varies greatly from place to place. Also the original collection being from New York state and looking just like Psilocybe caerulipes-microscopically sounds fishy to me. I can easily see the mushrooms that I found not be silvatica, but this seems like a convoluted mess. -Forgive me for my dazed rant
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kcrocker802
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You might be on to something. I remember reading somewhere maybe recent, but maybe in the archives that someone found that many collections of preserved Ps. pelliculosa were in fact Ps. silvatica. The old range for Ps. caerulipes was definitely south of New York before it was sorted properly with Ps. ovoideocystidiata.
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Alan Rockefeller
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maynardjameskeenan said: Besides the collection that describes this mushroom, is there any other collections where someone can definitely say "this is Psilocybe silvatica"!?
Yes, the collection that Jan sequenced came from Scott Redhead and was collected just north of Michigan. The sequence data shows that it is different from P. caerulipes and P. pelliculosa.
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kcrocker802
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Is there any good documentation of this find on the internet? On this site or elsewhere? I would love to see pictures. So no one is aware of P. silvatica being confirmed on the West Coast?
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Alonso CortesPerez
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Tenía mucho trabajo pendiente y por fin pude estudiar esta colección con mucho cuidado. Muchas gracias a Maynardjameskeenan. Busqué por mucho tiempo y solo pude encontrar pleurocystidia en tres basidiomas, los demás basidomas no tienen este tipo de pleurocystidia. Creo que tal vez es una especie de Deconica, tal vez análisis de ADN ayuden para saber si pertenece a Deconica.
pleurocystidia like Chrysocystidia?
 Pleurocystidia
 Pleurocystidia
 Pleuro
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Nice micro! I assume you are THE Alonso, so I would expect nothing less. I haven't been following this thread, but I think I'll back track and have a looksy!
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maynardjameskeenan
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Alonso CortesPerez said: Tenía mucho trabajo pendiente y por fin pude estudiar esta colección con mucho cuidado. Muchas gracias a Maynardjameskeenan. Busqué por mucho tiempo y solo pude encontrar pleurocystidia en tres basidiomas, los demás basidomas no tienen este tipo de pleurocystidia. Creo que tal vez es una especie de Deconica, tal vez análisis de ADN ayuden para saber si pertenece a Deconica.
pleurocystidia like Chrysocystidia?
 Pleurocystidia
 Pleurocystidia
 Pleuro
 Pleuro
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You're amazing! Muchas gracias
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Joust
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But it looked blue
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Deconica? [Re: Joust]
#19917188 - 04/29/14 02:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Monta en agua o hidroxido de potasio?
La forma de las esporas no es muy subrhomboid, hay muchas especies Deconica con esa forma de esporas?
Creo que con chrysocystidia y que forma esporas, Hypholoma es muy probable.
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Joust said: But it looked blue 
No vi ningun azul en el OP.
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Joust
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Cuarta imagen hacia abajo en la base?
must not be, eyes....
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Deconica? [Re: Joust]
#19917557 - 04/29/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Joust said: Cuarta imagen hacia abajo en la base?
No lo veo azul alli.
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maynardjameskeenan
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mi casa o en la suya, el SIDA para la vida que es tu decisión.
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nomadbrad
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Can somebody help me translate this? I've been wondering for several months what I found.
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raceme
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Alonso CortesPerez said: I had a lot of work to get through, but I finally was able to study this collection carefully. Thank you MaynardJamesKeenan. After mush searching I was only able to find pleurocystidia in three of the basidiocarps, and none of the rest had this type of pleurocystidia. I believe it is a species of Deconica, and DNA analysis would help to tell is it belongs there.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Did you mount it in water, or potassium hydroxide?
The shape of the spores isn't very subrhomboid, are there many species of Deconica with similarly shaped spores?
I think that, given the chrysocystidia and the shape of the spores, Hypholoma is more likely.
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Joust said: But it looked blue 
I didn't see any blue in the el OP.
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Joust
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Re: Deconica? [Re: raceme] 1
#19919457 - 04/29/14 11:35 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hypholoma! that seems to fit should dig around these collections next time, there are a few really cool sclerotia forming species in Strophariaceae...
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Alan Rockefeller
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nomadbrad said: Can somebody help me translate this?
You should probably just learn spanish, we are going to be speaking a lot of it in the next few years because it just so happens that the countries that have the most interesting mushrooms tend to have spanish as the official language.
I don't know why this is, appears that spain conquered pretty much everything south of texas....so....
I can go mushroom hunting in California and find one really interesting collection per year, or go mushroom hunting in southern Mexico and find one really interesting collection per day. I know spanish is hard, I struggle with it every day....but...it does work very well and it is a really fun language.
The best way to learn is to copy/paste into translate.google.com. Another really fun and educational thing to do is edit the spanish wikipedia. A lot of the mushroom articles there need help : )
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Hunter hunter
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Wow. I'm glad I found this post today. I hate waiting around for the answer.
Friggin cool find Maynard. Those would have stumped a noob. If I found those in the past I would have lemon teked .5 of a gram to check for any activity. I know that's dumb but that's how I learned.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Alan Rockefeller
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Today I got a DNA sequence from this collection and it matches 100% with Hypholoma marginatum.
Congratuations to Inski for first guessing the genus and to psylosymonreturns for being the first to mention the species.
Sequence: https://mushroomobserver.org/sequence/show_sequence/1371
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