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Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC)
    #18999942 - 10/19/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wondering if I could get and Id on these two colorful beauts found in central North Carolina

Found growing out of a deep pile of woodchips. Looks to be partially composted, but pretty fresh.

The first is bright orange and seems to be dropping orange spores.  has a pretty tough stem with a cap the consistency of oyster mushrooms, but perhaps a bit more brittle.











The second specimens were much more numerous and seemed to grow gregariously.  They have dense, bright purple stems and caps with yellow gills. Still waiting on spore to drop from these, I'll update when they do.





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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #18999954 - 10/19/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Beautiful colours on your first one. I don't know Gymnopilus really well but perhaps G. liquiritae.

Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000006 - 10/19/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Beautiful colours on your first one. I don't know Gymnopilus really well but perhaps G. liquiritae.

Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.



I think they are all Gymnopilus aeruginosus. The decurrent gills, and the stems remind me of my finds. Compare.



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie] * 1
    #19000056 - 10/19/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.





Why not G. luteofolius?

OP, could you cut some younger ones in half so we can see the context?  (inside)

Any bluish/greenish staining?



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000066 - 10/19/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Your second I feel confident is G. aerigunosus.





Why not G. luteofolius?

OP, could you cut some younger ones in half so we can see the context?  (inside)

Any bluish/greenish staining?





I thought the scales weren't strong enough and it didn't show up for NC on the shroomery page (or I'd be toying with G. purpuratus. Not to mention G. liquiritae isn't there but I was clutching at straws). I also thought the first lot had caps that seem too smooth and orangey to be the same species. But honestly I don't know nuffin, I will watch and learn!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000099 - 10/19/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think that these are both the same species, they just seem far too different in shape, color, texture and size.  The Purple specimens have a much thicker stem and completly different coloration. 

I will attach a picture below of one cut in half.  The picture was snapped only a second after the cut, so i'll post back if I see any bluing/bruising.



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121] * 1
    #19000120 - 10/19/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What a striking purple outline.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19000258 - 10/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like the context is not purple and that points in favor of G. aeruginosus.

I was not aware that the scales are different on the species, is that true?

Hesler says the microscopic features on the two species are the same, but Laura Guzman recently told me that she has been able to find microscopic differences.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000390 - 10/19/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That was just a recollection from looking at the Google images yesterday, that G. aerigunosus tends to have much more crowded scales and G. luteofolius has these quite broad ones. It might not be consistent or definitive.

Apart from the ones in my friend's tank (that I still want someone to scope) the only Gyms I have found are our local G. junonius that are not blueing (and that I haven't yet put to the test) so expect me to be potentially talking crap here.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000477 - 10/19/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000512 - 10/19/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000599 - 10/19/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps the taxon needs dividing further. My most recent books have G. spectabilis as a defunct name, so I guess British mycologists aren't presently accepting any distinction. But there is this further anomaly with European G. junonius/spectabilis not bluing.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19000632 - 10/19/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

G. junonius and G. spectabilis are both European names and it is likely that in the US we need new names.

G. junonius is a medium sized Gymnopilus, while G. spectabilis is quite large.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19000646 - 10/19/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks. As I work on improving my microscopy it will be something I hope to understand a lot better before long, and maybe then I'll have something useful to report on the mess at our end. :smile:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Joie]
    #19001076 - 10/19/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Joie and Alan, first of all, thank you so much for your in depth discussion on this ID, I am glad to know others are as interested as myself on this endeavor. 

After 4 hours, the split mushroom looks mostly the same except for one spot.  While the rest of the mushroom looks the same, spite some minor dehydration, the base of the mushroom, especially where the mycellium was pulled away from the wood-chip substrate is definitely showing some bluing.  It is dark now, so I will take another picture tomorrow in sunlight and see if the coloration continues.

Also, the cluster of mushrooms I picked today was only the most mature of numerous others in the wood pile, so I will continue to watch the others and see how they develop into maturity and see if that will shed any more light for the ID. Thanks a lot for the conversation fellas.

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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19001220 - 10/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I found some like that too, about a month ago in texas. Did yours bruise at all. Mine had small blue spots on caps a few hours after picking. Check them out under my user. Mine were like the purple texture ones you found. They were various sizes. Pins start out red, then purple, then when fully mature they turn yellow and lose most of the texture.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19001249 - 10/19/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My find


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19001277 - 10/19/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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G. junonius and G. spectabilis are both European names and it is likely that in the US we need new names.

G. junonius is a medium sized Gymnopilus, while G. spectabilis is quite large.





I always thought they were synonymous

Very cool, I love learning new stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001317 - 10/19/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I called mine delipis, from the research I did. They are a Australian sp thou. Idk


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001349 - 10/19/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I find these



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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19001496 - 10/19/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.





:whathesaid:
Google Images is full of so many Misidentified mushrooms... never rely on a google image search... but sometimes its a handy place to start.... but never should it end there.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001527 - 10/19/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Very excited by the discussion here, it seems like the gymnopilus group deserves a much closer look.  The more I look at my copy of Mushrooms Demystified, I am thinking they are under G. luteofolius based on cap coloration, spore color,  gill structure and questionable activity (based off close relation to G. aeruginosus according to Arora) As I said earlier, I will report back definitively on the spore prints of both 'types' I OP'd tomorrow when they have had time to drop.

Luckily the patch is close to home, so I will take some habitat/development shots tomorrow, and we can see how the patch matures and get a better idea of what we have here. If is does come up as something unique (even if only for the BEAUTIFUL purple color) I can readily put a clone to agar or pull spore prints etc.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19001658 - 10/19/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Keep us updated. I'm trying to cultivate the ones I found. This is the first time I'm trying to grow so we will see how it goes. I visited the spot about a week later where I found them (even thou I left 5 or so pins there) they are no longer growing there. I hope they come back or my grow works out.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19001873 - 10/19/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I find these





G. aeruginosus, or what Bloodworm ID'd as such from my collections. These are all over the southeast US on woodchips. They start off a very striking purplish-red color, and mature to a more golden yellow-orange. Not very potent but still active I suppose. :thumbup:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19001922 - 10/19/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I find these





G. aeruginosus, or what Bloodworm ID'd as such from my collections. These are all over the southeast US on woodchips. They start off a very striking purplish-red color, and mature to a more golden yellow-orange. Not very potent but still active I suppose. :thumbup:




Yes they do lose their color :thumbup:
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
    #19003208 - 10/20/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In just north of Houston Texas, and I found them here.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19003271 - 10/20/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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In just north of Houston Texas, and I found them here.



Awesome! Are they on/in woodchips as well? Can you figure out what type of wood or if it is a mix maybe? I think the chips I find them in are mixed hardwood/pine.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19003277 - 10/20/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes they lose color as I mentioned before.

Paracelsus, yours look different than the ones I find here. Much thicker stem. Makes me wonder if the ones I find in texas are a mutation or vise versa.

I would like to see more research about the sp.

When I found mine I researched  and found people who were growing the same genre.

I agree they are not very potent. I took 6 grams dry and had little effects.


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    #19003297 - 10/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes they are on wood chips as well. Not sure of the type of wood. If I guess it would be native mulch so most likely pine.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19004411 - 10/20/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Went back to the patch today to pick a clone specimen and got a habitat shot for you. I also have a picture of the spore prints, which while kind of hard to discern, have me thinking they may in fact be the same species just very young and old specimens respectively. The older of the two dropped prodigious spores, while the younger was quite a bit more withholding, so it is hard to tell if the coloring is the same or not. Might try putting it in photoshop to see if it can ID the hues.  Take a look and let me know what you think!





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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
    #19004465 - 10/20/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Went back to the patch today to pick a clone specimen and got a habitat shot for you. I also have a picture of the spore prints, which while kind of hard to discern, have me thinking they may in fact be the same species just very young and old specimens respectively. The older of the two dropped prodigious spores, while the younger was quite a bit more withholding, so it is hard to tell if the coloring is the same or not. Might try putting it in photoshop to see if it can ID the hues.  Take a look and let me know what you think!







I think those chips are a mix. Notice you can discern at least two colors of woodchip, and then there are needles in the mix as well. I assume your collection(s) are all aeruginosus. :thumbup:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19027429 - 10/24/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.




im sorry, but i am a bit offended...

i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...

i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...

however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...

you should take that into account Alan...

give credit where it is due...:wink:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
    #19027456 - 10/24/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.




im sorry, but i am a bit offended...

i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...

i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...

however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...

you should take that into account Alan...

give credit where it is due...:wink:



Maybe its because you took so long to chime in! Lol. If you're going to be a vigilante jilm superhero, you gotta respond to urgent requests! :rofl2:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19027490 - 10/24/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group.  In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group.  And she does not post much stuff to the internet.

Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.




im sorry, but i am a bit offended...

i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...

i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...

however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...

you should take that into account Alan...

give credit where it is due...:wink:



Maybe its because you took so long to chime in! Lol. If you're going to be a vigilante jilm superhero, you gotta respond to urgent requests! :rofl2:




urgent??

no one, has taken more time or done more work on the genus than me...

that includes Laura Guzman...


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
    #19027512 - 10/24/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...


Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it.  The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing. 

What are the differences between the two taxa?

Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19027592 - 10/24/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...


Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it.  The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing. 

What are the differences between the two taxa?

Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?




really??

i was born in 1981, it's 2013...
i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...


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    #19027601 - 10/24/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bloodworm said:
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She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...


Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it.  The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing. 

What are the differences between the two taxa?

Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?




really??

i was born in 1981, it's 2013...
i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...



Dude. You've been jilmin' since you was born?


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    #19027628 - 10/24/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really??

i was born in 1981, it's 2013...
i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...





You have not seen any of the stuff she has published?


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19027653 - 10/24/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

jilms led to bloodworms conception.


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    #19027670 - 10/24/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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jilms led to bloodworms conception.



He is the spawn of Big Jilm himself. We shall now call him Bloodjilm.


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    #19027675 - 10/24/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice!!!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19027677 - 10/24/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really??

i was born in 1981, it's 2013...
i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...





You have not seen any of the stuff she has published?




i've seen everything...

i'm not impressed, at all, tbh... :biggrin:

as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
    #19027709 - 10/24/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bloodworm said:
really??

i was born in 1981, it's 2013...
i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...





You have not seen any of the stuff she has published?




i've seen everything...

i'm not impressed, at all, tbh... :biggrin:

as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...



I Promise before tomorrow sets in I will look at my collections and see if i can help :shrug: probably not, but who knows.


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    #19027766 - 10/24/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...





What have you done for the genus?


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    #19027793 - 10/24/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...





What have you done for the genus?




nothing, apparently...


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
    #19027809 - 10/24/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bloodworm said:
Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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bloodworm said:
as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...





What have you done for the genus?




nothing, apparently...



The genus thanks you for spreading lots of spores!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19027831 - 10/24/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bloodworm said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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bloodworm said:
as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...





What have you done for the genus?




nothing, apparently...



The genus thanks you for spreading lots of spores!




i've sent out 0 spore prints of Gymnopilus.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
    #19027838 - 10/24/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol. I'm talking about on your shoes and pant legs. :manofapproval:


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19028084 - 10/24/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IM CURIOUS. WHAT WOULD YOU 2 CALL THE GYMS IN FOUND?








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    #19028087 - 10/24/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im jello lol


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19028213 - 10/24/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are quite a few species in that clade and they can be difficult to tell apart.  Gymnopilus luteofolius is one option.  That usually has purplish shades in the context when you cut it open.

I think your gyms are active, did you notice any bluegreen staining?


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19028332 - 10/24/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

YES. THEY HAD SMALL SPOTS ON THE CAPS. I ATE 6 GRAMS DRIED AND THEY WERE NOT VERY STRONG.

AMONG THE MUSHROOMS I FOUND THERE WERE A FEW OLD ROTTEN CAPS. AS THEY AGE THEY START AT A RED/PURPLE/YELLOW THEN TURN ALMOST COMPLETELY YELLOW

 

I DID NOT EAT THESE. I AM TRYING TO USE THEM FOR CLONING!


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
    #19028998 - 10/24/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So i poured over my gym collections today, i thought that the subhymenium could be different between the two species, but looking at all the features, at least today, i found no differences in my collections.


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    #19029088 - 10/25/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Which collections did you compare and what did you loook at?

The subhymenium is indeed very important in Gymnopilus, and is something that Hesler overlooked. Sometimes it is ramose and other times more globose.


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i've seen everything...

i'm not impressed, at all, tbh... :biggrin:

as far as i'm concerned...i've done more for the genus w/o all of her money and/or resources in 2 years than she has done in 32...




You are not going to get very far with this genus if you disparage people who have done ten thousand times more work with it than you have.  You need to recognize that you are a noob.  Maybe in 5 to 20 years, if you stick with it, you will be able to contribute something of substance.  You do not seem to be able to answer my most basic questions.  I wish you tons of luck.


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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19029114 - 10/25/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Which collections did you compare and what did you loook at?

The subhymenium is indeed very important in Gymnopilus, and is something that Hesler overlooked. Sometimes it is ramose and other times more globose.





Interesting, I Looked at my Luteofolius log and the promising aeruginosus i found, im not sure if i just missed it though, its really difficult for me to see, I will upload the pics real quick...


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    #19029141 - 10/25/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Heres the quick shots i took so i could say i didnt find anything and then so someone could be like "oh Joust, you're an idiot, its there!".... or not... i dont know.
lute




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