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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Moonshoe]
#18999878 - 10/19/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a BA.
I haven't even tried to get in job in the last 4 years.
I have a friend who has a BA too, she hasn't been able to get a stable job for the last 3 years. So I figure I won't lose my time applying to jobs.
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Moonshoe said: Even with a masters degree it can be hard to find a job in your field sometimes.
which is why one shouldnt major in the evolutionary cycle of pokemon
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I have a master's degree. I work in a shitty pizza restaurant. At least I have a job though. Hang in there. You might have to take something below what you wanted. But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: fbi365]
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fbi365 said: I have a master's degree. I work in a shitty pizza restaurant. At least I have a job though. Hang in there. You might have to take something below what you wanted. But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Patlal]
#19000121 - 10/19/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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trade schools for the win. FUCK YEAH
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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which is why one shouldnt major in the evolutionary cycle of pokemon
I've known people with MBAs who haven't succeeded in finding jobs.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus] 1
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bearlion said: Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..
you have a BA, you dont have good credentials
This. A BA really does not get you much. Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.
Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.
As a matter of fact, this applies to every major. Your degree means nothing if you don't have real-world experience. Which makes me believe that most of you who haven't been able to get jobs, because none of you spent time completing internships or getting work experience. No, you guys probably dicked around, spent your Saturday evenings partying and smoking bongs, waking up up at noon and went to class to complete your minimum requirements, and probably assumed you would be easy pickings for jobs after that.
I mean look at some of the responses people have made. "I didn't even bother applying for jobs for 3 years, because that was a case for a friend of mine." These are not the words of somebody who has a good work ethic. These are the words of somebody who probably never worked his entire time he was enrolled in school.
Then there was this other thread I posted in last week, where this college graduate was proclaiming that he had no luck finding a job for 6 months, yet refused to attend his own college job fair, because the "college recruitment people are a bunch of dickheads." Like, really? You won't even attend your own college job fair, yet you complain about not getting a job? This is PRECISELY WHAT IS WRONG wrong with college graduates today! (and I noticed he had difficulty researching what time and where this job fair was being held at his college, which makes me wonder about how real-life skills).
I'm seeming to notice this trend among college graduates who can't get a job. And I've noticed it among both classes, rich and poor. I've seen rich kids with MBAs or law degrees who graduated from USC with the same problem--no work experience, and they just assume their father will help them find a job when they graduate. Now they're out of work for three years. Things aren't always so easy in the real world.
Because I know I've never had a problem finding a job. I know that there are MANY non-profits that will hire college graduates with no work experience, for instance. The pay won't be good, if you're lucky enough to get pay at all, but if you are given the title of "event coordinator" or "publisher" for this non-profit, it gives you some sense of status and power that looks good when you apply to other jobs in the future. The mimimum wage jobs that I've applied to, EVEN while I was in college, never called back or hired me, even when they were hiring. Because of my other work experience and paid internship experience, they felt that I was overqualified for the job, and I guess would have rather hired high schoolers or college freshmen, who were more likely to stay with the job for longer instead.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: All We Perceive]
#19000234 - 10/19/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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All We Perceive said: My undergrad degree was in philosophy. Out of a student base of approximately 15,000 students, we had about 70 philosophy majors. We all knew our career prospects doing the major. My writing skills improved significantly in the program as did my reading comp. All of the top students went either PhD or JD, some others went military, and some others actually got "real jobs." There was definitely a lot of drug use within the major--even from the top students. The problem is that any liberal arts major does not really directly "lead" to any set career like an engineering degree makes you an engineer so you have to be prepared to figure out what you want to do and how to get there.
There is a particular temperament that is attracted to philosophy that values curiosity, abstraction, and mental flexibility. I was an accounting major for a time, and all the business school majors I knew were, quite frankly, sticks in the mud. I personally wouldn't hire them. All the same, without a degree of some sort, unless you have a super huge drive, you are going to fail. As one poster above pointed out, a bachelors is the new high school diploma. Respect it for what it is.
two other phil majors graduated with me (small class because it was a December graduation). one was going to law school and the other to medical school. phil majors have the highest acceptance rate to both
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
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you have a BA, you dont have good credentials
This. A BA really does not get you much. Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.
Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.
I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job. Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it. Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.
Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19000253 - 10/19/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: morrowasted]
#19000260 - 10/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you just gotta study the right thing or you have to be VERY PROACTIVE about NETWORKING.
my sister got her MA in communication disorders and she has headhunters contact her from all over the country. she made 76k right out of grad school
I have a BA in philosophy and I make a little under 13 bucks an hour as a tutor at the university I'm getting my MA from. most Unis offer a tutoring service, if you did well in undergrad see if you can get a job with them, it's the chillest job I've ever had- I'm at it right now. 2/3 of my time I browse the shroomery and reddit and smoke cigs, 1/3 of the time I help people my age (often cute girls) with their school work, which is a lot more enjoyable than most jobs because there is a lot of variety
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: morrowasted]
#19000282 - 10/19/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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whenever I meet a psychology or communications major- which is like, almost every day- I pitylaugh on the inside.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Soulidarity]
#19000311 - 10/19/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Soulidarity said: I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.
Not at all. More and more engineers are being hired as bank analysts and consultants and are taking over a lot of the finance jobs.
Engineering shows that you are capable of problem solving and doing complex math. If you can communicate effectively (the first step of which involves interview well) then you have the groundwork for the entire skill set required in the finance world.
It's actually the other way around from what you've said - an engineer can become an analyst, but an analyst cannot become an engineer as it is an accredited field that requires an engineer degree to pursue at a professional level.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Soulidarity]
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morrowasted said: two other phil majors graduated with me (small class because it was a December graduation). one was going to law school and the other to medical school. phil majors have the highest acceptance rate to both
I can only imagine why. Philosophy majors are skilled at the art of discourse.
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Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.
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pwnasaurus said: I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job. Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it. Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.
Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.
Yea, I know an engineering major who graduated 3 years ago, with no success at finding a job. The reason was because he had no real-life work experience at all. Oh, and this is California, not some small town, so we're not exactly in a shortage of engineers.
I mean, just think about it. For every year that an engineering major graduates, there are thousands of other fresh, engineering graduates alone within that area who are all local and looking for jobs. What do you think is going to make you stand out from the rest of them?
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It can be overwhelmingly good if you know a lot of elite, high-status figures who are willing to work with you. It can also be overwhelmingly bad, if you aren't a good salesperson or don't have good connections. I work in finance, and it's very much a roller coaster ride. I might close a couple cases where I make $16,000 in one day. And then the next 2 months I won't see hardly any activity at all. Such is the nature of finance.
A LOT of people quit in this business. They'll work 3 months, get licensed, realize they're not cut out for this, and they quit. Because the first two years are actually really really hard for anybody in finance, they average around $9-18K for their first two years.
And to those of you complaining about not getting a job, I got this job a month before I graduated. And my degree wasn't even in finance.
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My wife got her undergrad in business and then her masters in business administration (MBA) / public administration (MPA). Her program was amazing because it included a non stop string of internships, practicums, work placements, etc, so when she graduated she had a kick ass résumé and job experience as well as a great education . She's also an amazing networker , and an attractive female minority. All around she is the most highly employable person I know and people throw jobs at her.
If your thinking of getting a degree look for one that emphasizes internships and work placements !
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
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pwnasaurus said: I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job. Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it. Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.
Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.
Yea, I know an engineering major who graduated 3 years ago, with no success at finding a job. The reason was because he had no real-life work experience at all. Oh, and this is California, not some small town, so we're not exactly in a shortage of engineers.
I mean, just think about it. For every year that an engineering major graduates, there are thousands of other fresh, engineering graduates alone within that area who are all local and looking for jobs. What do you think is going to make you stand out from the rest of them?
You have to be willing to move of course. Most good jobs are in major cities. If you don't live in one and aren't willing to relocate you're probably not going to get a good job, plain and simple.
As to your friend, if you can't get a job in 3 years of ACTUALLY looking with an engineering degree he's doing something seriously wrong or frankly just isn't very good .
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It can be overwhelmingly good if you know a lot of elite, high-status figures who are willing to work with you. It can also be overwhelmingly bad, if you aren't a good salesperson or don't have good connections. I work in finance, and it's very much a roller coaster ride. I might close a couple cases where I make $16,000 in one day. And then the next 2 months I won't see hardly any activity at all. Such is the nature of finance.
A LOT of people quit in this business. They'll work 3 months, get licensed, realize they're not cut out for this, and they quit. Because the first two years are actually really really hard for anybody in finance, they average around $9-18K for their first two years.
And to those of you complaining about not getting a job, I got this job a month before I graduated. And my degree wasn't even in finance.
Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry. The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks. Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus]
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but even beyond finance, just commerce in general. with a commerce degree it pretty much sets you up to work in any office in some capacity.
i get what your saying about how engineers are well trained and skilled, but just comparing field for field, commerce is the clear winner in terms of employ-ability and job ready-ness. every company in this world has some kind of head office, your eligible for employment in just about any of those.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said: Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry. The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks. Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.
If they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it's because they choose to. One of the benefits about finance is that you can set your own schedule and work the hours that you like. Basically, the only time you are "required" to work, is when you have appointments with clients. So if they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it means A) That they are ballers and probably make tens or hundreds of thousands each month, or B) They are struggling and looking for ways to find more and more new clients.
Again, it depends on what your job title is. Whether you're a stockbroker, finance consultant, financial advisor, or specialize in hedgefunds. Your schedule will vary depending on your title. It also depends whether you're licensed in mutual funds, or stocks too.
The engineers that I know who are employed, work twice as much as I do. That's why I'm in the process of applying for a real-estate license--because I actually have enough free time that I'm thinking about making real-estate my side-business, while I do finance as my main. Somebody else at the office where I work does the same thing, and told me that real-estate is booming as of now.
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
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pwnasaurus said: Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry. The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks. Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.
If they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it's because they choose to. One of the benefits about finance is that you can set your own schedule and work the hours that you like. Basically, the only time you are "required" to work, is when you have appointments with clients. So if they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it means A) That they are ballers and probably make tens or hundreds of thousands each month, or B) They are struggling and looking for ways to find more and more new clients.
Again, it depends on what your job title is. Whether you're a stockbroker, finance consultant, financial advisor, or specialize in hedgefunds. Your schedule will vary depending on your title.
The engineers that I know who are employed, work twice as much as I do. That's why I'm in the process of applying for a real-estate license--because I actually have enough free time that I'm thinking about making real-estate my side-business, while I do finance as my main.
Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs. They don't really have a choice. If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere. That's what they have told me anyways, I am not in that industry 
What do you do exactly out of curiosity?
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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said: Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs. They don't really have a choice. If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.
What do you do exactly out of curiosity?
I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.
The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.
In real-estate, you can make $20-30,000 in a day, and then have no buyers for the next few months. Finance is kind of like this too, especially for beginners.
Some companies, such as Bank of America, have a fixed salary for their financial advisors. You go in from 9-5pm and you get a fixed salary of $50,000 regardless of how many clients you sign up accounts with. Finance companies such as Edward Jones or DeLoitte do not work like this. I personally a $50,000 fixed salary is too low, considering the volume of clients that come into the bank. The place I work does not offer a fixed salary, which is why I have gotten into the habit of saving. Even when I land a huge client, I store at least 80% of my money (after what's left over from money spent on gym, rent, and food), and with the rest of the 20% I will have somebody else at my company invest it in stocks, or contribute it to my 401K, or my other retirement plan.
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