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Patlal
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Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU
#18999043 - 10/19/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck yeah!
You might hate Harper, but he just pulled off the biggest thing since NAFTA. His political legacy if you want.
Free trade with Europe, 500 billion extra consumer to export and import from with better prices for everybody. Our dear conservative government decided to put all their eggs in the economic basket and it paid off big time.
The recent Throne Speech and this deal just solidified Harper's reputation and probably bought him another majority.
Here comes the money!
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999050 - 10/19/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Woot!
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: iamerror73] 3
#18999109 - 10/19/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ha, as if bringing fancy cheeses into the country will be enough to wipe out all the horrible shit harper and his govt have already brought upon canada
Don't make me laugh
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Patlal
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#18999139 - 10/19/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Ha, as if bringing fancy cheeses into the country will be enough to wipe out all the horrible shit harper and his govt have already brought upon canada
Don't make me laugh
Clearly you don't understand the significance of this deal
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal] 1
#18999174 - 10/19/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Salomon]
#18999184 - 10/19/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BC, here I come...
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999223 - 10/19/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My post was facetious--I'm aware it involves more than cheese. I'm also aware that increased access to european cheese is one of the selling points behind this agreement
Do I really need to list all the shit harper has done, to convince you that multiple horrible decisions outweigh a single, arguably beneficial, trade agreement?
Remember the chinese free trade fiasco? The G20 billion dollar budget? The newly implement criminal code in an attempt to foster a homegrown private prison industry? The crippling of environmental law and policy in the quest to promote fossil fuel industry expansion? The muzzling of gov't researchers? Of the entire gov't? The not infrequent prorogues of parliament? The senate fiasco? The election fraud fiasco? The rule of party ideology over logic and reason, when dictating new policy? I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on--do you get the point yet?
Not to mention that this FTA has only be provisionally adopted, thus far, and likely won't see implementation until 2015--ideally, after canada has already given harper and his con(servative) men the boot.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999258 - 10/19/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Say goodbye to all your ma and pa stores and your G.D.P. Here comes wal mart.
NAFTA killed jobs and factories in America, nothing is quality made anymore its all cheap china goods that flood our country, most jobs consist of selling these goods.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal] 3
#18999264 - 10/19/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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By the end of his next term, he'll have the death penalty for marijuana possession.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Salomon]
#18999274 - 10/19/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#18999282 - 10/19/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: My post was facetious--I'm aware it involves more than cheese. I'm also aware that increased access to european cheese is one of the selling points behind this agreement
Do I really need to list all the shit harper has done, to convince you that multiple horrible decisions outweigh a single, arguably beneficial, trade agreement?
Remember the chinese free trade fiasco? The G20 billion dollar budget? The newly implement criminal code in an attempt to foster a homegrown private prison industry? The crippling of environmental law and policy in the quest to promote fossil fuel industry expansion? The muzzling of gov't researchers? Of the entire gov't? The not infrequent prorogues of parliament? The senate fiasco? The election fraud fiasco? The rule of party ideology over logic and reason, when dictating new policy? I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on--do you get the point yet?
Not to mention that this FTA has only be provisionally adopted, thus far, and likely won't see implementation until 2015--ideally, after canada has already given harper and his con(servative) men the boot.
He sacrificed a lot for the economy. Some of it sucks ass. But you can't have it all.
Overall, I'm satisfied. There's a lot of improvement to be made.
Prorogation: It is useful for MPs to listen to citizens and think of new ideas and time to write bills. It also prevents political gridlocks like the US just had for 3 weeks.
Senate fiasco: Harper proposed to suspend without pay all the senators involved in controversy (which goes against the law due to the fact none of the senators have been proven guilty of wrongdoing). Ironically, a liberal senator is trying to defend to conservative senators Harper just threw under the bus. He is also consulting the supreme court on how to reform the senate.
Environment: He fucked it up. But we can now sell more oil.
G20: Total fuck up, 1 billion in the garbage
Criminal code changes: 50% good, 50% bad. Mandatory minimums and longer sentences for minor crimes is not the way to go. Mandatory minimums and longer sentences for major crimes is the way to go.
Ideology: I agree, it's stupid, but you gotta do your party wants to do. That's why they were elected in the first place.
Economy: Free trade with several minor nations, Free trade with the biggest market on earth as of yesterday, Lower taxes, higher than expected growth, survived the biggest recession ever with a few bumps and bruises instead of amputation, best record of the G8, will soon implement a law that makes it impossible to have more than 25% dept per GDP ratio. Mortgage policy to prevent people buying houses they can't afford. I could go on and on and on...
That being said, I still don't know who I will vote for in the next election. I'm 33% for all 3 parties.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Le_Canard]
#18999289 - 10/19/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: By the end of his next term, he'll have the death penalty for marijuana possession.
I think it's mandatory 6 months in jail if you're caught with 30 grams or a couple of plants.
Either way I'm not worried, My dealer got caught with 2 ounces and 1200$ in cash and he walked free the same day with his cash. The cops kept the weed. Not too bad if you ask me.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999313 - 10/19/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Fuck yeah!
You might hate Harper, but he just pulled off the biggest thing since NAFTA. His political legacy if you want.
Free trade with Europe, 500 billion extra consumer to export and import from with better prices for everybody. Our dear conservative government decided to put all their eggs in the economic basket and it paid off big time.
The recent Throne Speech and this deal just solidified Harper's reputation and probably bought him another majority.
Here comes the money!
"500 billion extra consumer to export and import with better prices for everybody."
It's not a big deal, it's only 26 billion Euros per year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/business/international/canada-and-europe-reach-tentative-trade-agreement.html?_r=0
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999314 - 10/19/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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From what I understand of this deal, it seems that all of the EU member nations have to sign on independantly before this can go into effect. This makes me highly doubtful about this deal ever going through. There are too many european countries opposed to canada's oil development, polar bear jails and baby seal clubbing.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: iamerror73]
#18999328 - 10/19/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Waiting for making a Free Trade Agreement across provinces. It was already easier to import/export wine to Europe in Ontario than drive wine between Quebec<->Ontario. There's a reason one doesn't see more Canadian liquor at LCBO and that issue is only going to get worse now. I guess some countries in europe can dole out more in lobby bribes than certain Canadian companies.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#18999333 - 10/19/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Canada has those vast tar sands which can yield a low grade crude oil and the EU is hungry for oil. I see cash flow.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Patlal]
#18999334 - 10/19/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not asking you to explain those other actions of harper and co., but I am interested in why you feel that a single free trade agreement will be enough to wipe the countries collective memory and guarantee harper another majority?
especially when considered, as I mentioned already, that this FTA is only provisional--it likely won't see ratification and implementation for a couple more years--how can a policy that won't be in place yet help harper win the next election?
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18999379 - 10/19/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was never a fan of free trade, products are supposed to be taxed so you buy products from your own country, also the governments can use the tax money too
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18999383 - 10/19/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am much more likely to remember Harper's social policies before his economic ones.
I'm excited to see the next election play out, I'm near Harper's riding and the whole city is beginning to go left.
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Re: Canada just made a free trade agreement with the EU [Re: Le_Canard]
#18999396 - 10/19/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Canada has those vast tar sands which can yield a low grade crude oil and the EU is hungry for oil. I see cash flow.
That oil is headed to the other direction, China.
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