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Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod
    #1899891 - 09/09/03 09:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Lil Kush caused my last post to get locked, so i'm making a new one. Let's try and keep the childish BS out of this one ok.

I seem to hear all this talk about Air Entrainment and all the wonderful things it can do, well I want to see results and physical evidence of these theroys. There were also a few other people posting in the last thread that asked for this as well. Now while i'm not doubting these setups work, I do doubt that Cubensis needs all these extra measures to grow to full capacity. I firmly believe a Poor Mans Pod will not outperform a Cool Mist when growing casings, maybe with other strains that demand more technical growing conditions, but not Cubensis. Also, a PMP is manily only designed for Cakes, not casings or Bulk grows due to need for surface area because the humidicication and air exchange come from the floor of the terrerium, not the sides.. so if you put casings in the PMP the bottoms of the trays take up to much area and basically don't allow the setup to function properly because there's not enough room to allow fresh air and humidity to come up through the geolite.. the bottom of the casings block this process. Maybe you could find some way to suspend them in mid air though?

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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900113 - 09/09/03 10:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah..  definatly..  and thanks for just proving my point i've been trying to make.  Those cakes look great, I never claimed the PMP couldn't grow great cakes, but when we're talking high yields and more advanced grows cakes aren't included.  It seems some of you have problems keeping the RH above 95% in the cool mist, well you can do that easily by only running it for 5 or 10 minutes every hour, that's all Cubensis needs for air exchange, any more is unecessary.  If you want to run it 24-7 you can still keep it above 95% by misting the walls of the terrerium twice a day.  The high humidity factor is what makes cakes flush heavy, they demand 95% or more..  98-99% is ideal. 

So i'm not talking about cakes here, i'm talking about casings, bulk cultivation and overall yields.  The casing you pictured didn't flush anywhere near to the ones in the pictures I posted.  It looks decent anyway though.  Probably BRF cakes cased i'm assuming.

Lets keep this debate going, it's fun.  :smile:   


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900130 - 09/09/03 10:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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And I forgot to mention all these pics were after i bought a Digital camera a couple months ago..... U do the math....




Ok, well then send me your camera and i'll take a ton of pictures of my neighbors grows, then i'll send it back to you. haha


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900176 - 09/09/03 11:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Sno you just got schooled, accept it, LOL :wink: 


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900262 - 09/09/03 11:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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All the cakes seem to pin on the side facing the outlet.




Then put an outlet on both sides!


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900269 - 09/09/03 11:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Or turn the cakes once a day.

OR USE A PMP!!


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900279 - 09/09/03 11:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok heres a little argument for u...

U have a 7 lb casing (substrate, casing material, etc.) in one hand. In the other you have 7 pounds of cakes.....

Which one will yeild more?





Just about 99% of anyone who posts on here knows the casings will produce about 40 times more.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900283 - 09/09/03 11:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Or turn the cakes once a day.

OR USE A PMP!!




Or forget cakes altogether and move up to casings and bulk cultivation on grains,compost and dung...what the more advanced growers do because we all know they yields truck loads more and are a much better use of space and time.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900302 - 09/09/03 11:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok heres a little argument for u...

U have a 7 lb casing (substrate, casing material, etc.) in one hand. In the other you have 7 pounds of cakes.....

Which one will yeild more?





Just about 99% of anyone who posts on here knows the casings will produce about 40 times more.




You are so fucking wrong, it's sick! Cakes put out just as much as casings if done PROPERLY. Don't believe me? Ask Magash.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900331 - 09/09/03 11:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ok so i only glanced through this and the previous thread,
but heres my 2 cents... i currently use BOTH a modified pod, and a COOL MIST

you 2 are compareing apples and oranges
the POD is hands down the BEST for smaller scale growing (rubbermaid size) cakes, casings, it dont matter.. it works GREAT! i wish i had a camera to show you my results....
the humidity and air exchange is always perfect.
its easy to build and fairly cheap...

the COOLMIST is the BEST for GREENHOUSE growing... (wallmart or marthastewart etc)
it offers good humidity for LARGE areas, tho in small areas it tends to have a paradoxical effect (in rubbermaids, the moving air tends to dry things out)

my bulk grows all go into the greenhouse and they LOVE it....
my special grows (cyans, oysters, whatever) go into the POD

so there you have it...
the POD and the COOLMIST are both at the TOP of the list as far as terrariums go...
just diffrent classes

if u want to produce on a smaller scale (BRF cakes/casings etc) go with the POD, it produces the BEST results you can get from non-bulk substrates

if you want to produce mulitpul huge fuckin trays of giant mushrooms, then get yourself a greenhouse (realestate becomes an issue when you start using dishpans as casing trays)

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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900333 - 09/09/03 11:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"It seems some of you have problems keeping the RH above 95% in the cool mist, well you can do that easily by only running it for 5 or 10 minutes every hour, that's all Cubensis needs for air exchange, any more is unecessary"

And actually a running cool mist LOWERS The Rh from 95%.






No Shit, isn't that what I just said?  It's the fan running constant that drops it below 95%, my point was that misting the walls keep it above 95% 24-7 while the cool mist runs constant.  If you run it 5 or 10 minutes every hour the humidity will not drop and will stay at 95% or above all the time.  Casings don't need that much humidity, this is more directed at casings not cakes, remember? 

Quote:

"If you want to run it 24-7 you can still keep it above 95% by misting the walls of the terrerium twice a day."

Doesnt This defeat the WHOLE purpose of AUTOMATION?






No, not really, you can't be that lazy to open the lid twice a day and mist, can you?   


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I noticed in your ratings no ones ever rated for your knowledge of growing.......... :laugh:





I thought I asked you to keep the childish banter out of here, please don't get my thread locked again..  This is a debate for grown adults who know how to act like one.  I'm done responding to you, why I even went this far I have no idea. 



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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900392 - 09/10/03 12:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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LiL_KuSsH said:

Ok heres a little argument for u...

U have a 7 lb casing (substrate, casing material, etc.) in one hand. In the other you have 7 pounds of cakes.....

Which one will yeild more?





Just about 99% of anyone who posts on here knows the casings will produce about 40 times more.




You are so fucking wrong, it's sick! Cakes put out just as much as casings if done PROPERLY. Don't believe me? Ask Magash.




Wow, your ignorance is truly unbelievable. You're telling me cakes will yield as much as casings if done properly? Unreal! For one, cakes are grown on a very limited substrate, limited in nutrients and mass, it's mixed more than half with vermiculite, a non nutritious substance.. the more nutrients per area the more mushrooms. Another thing, casings can be done with whole grains like WBS, Rye or Compost.. substances that have many times more nutritional capabilities than PF cakes. The differnce here is night and day, I can't believe you're even arguing this with me. PF cakes are for newbies because they're hard to screw up and are much more mistake prone, they'll grow you a few mushrooms yes, but nowhere near to the amounts that grains or compost or even cased PF cakes will.

Magash is the one I disagree with in the first place, why would I ask him? Why not ask the pro's here, like Anno, 6Tango, Olgualion Joshua, .. hell.. anyone really, everyone knows this except a couple of you newbies here.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900409 - 09/10/03 12:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I really dont have anything more important to do then reply to the thread saying i really dont have anything more important to do by replying to this thread saying i really dont have anything more important to do.....


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900410 - 09/10/03 12:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My ignorace? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You, my friend are the ignorant one. Just by reading your posts, I can tell you have never grown a mushroom in your life!

When I said "PROPERLY" I obviously meant cased cakes, fool.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900419 - 09/10/03 12:13 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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My ignorace? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You, my friend are the ignorant one. Just by reading your posts, I can tell you have never grown a mushroom in your life!

When I said "PROPERLY" I obviously meant cased cakes, fool.




I just offered you the logic behind it, and explained why. All you can do is tell me i've never grown Shrooms and say i'm the ignorant one. Even if I never have grown a shroom, you'd be very very wrong on this subject. It's astonishing to me to even see you say that.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #1900428 - 09/10/03 12:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ok so i only glanced through this and the previous thread,
but heres my 2 cents... i currently use BOTH a modified pod, and a COOL MIST

you 2 are compareing apples and oranges
the POD is hands down the BEST for smaller scale growing (rubbermaid size) cakes, casings, it dont matter.. it works GREAT! i wish i had a camera to show you my results....
the humidity and air exchange is always perfect.
its easy to build and fairly cheap...

the COOLMIST is the BEST for GREENHOUSE growing... (wallmart or marthastewart etc)
it offers good humidity for LARGE areas, tho in small areas it tends to have a paradoxical effect (in rubbermaids, the moving air tends to dry things out)

my bulk grows all go into the greenhouse and they LOVE it....
my special grows (cyans, oysters, whatever) go into the POD

so there you have it...
the POD and the COOLMIST are both at the TOP of the list as far as terrariums go...
just diffrent classes

if u want to produce on a smaller scale (BRF cakes/casings etc) go with the POD, it produces the BEST results you can get from non-bulk substrates

if you want to produce mulitpul huge fuckin trays of giant mushrooms, then get yourself a greenhouse (realestate becomes an issue when you start using dishpans as casing trays)

I fully agree with this.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900436 - 09/10/03 12:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You see that? You're using "logic". Not real world experience.
Anyone can read the FAQ's and any other source of information and deduce what works best.
Until you actually DO IT, you'll never really know for sure, now will you?


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900442 - 09/10/03 12:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This topic will be locked again. Which is sad...


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900444 - 09/10/03 12:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You see that? You're using "logic". Not real world experience.
Anyone can read the FAQ's and any other source of information and deduce what works best.
Until you actually DO IT, you'll never really know for sure, now will you?

I have to agree with this.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900455 - 09/10/03 12:22 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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"Just about 99% of anyone who posts on here knows the casings will produce about 40 times more."

DUDE..... Just because a casing is 7 lbs doenst meant theres 7 lbs of substrate. lets just say were talking BRF. The casing WILL NOT Produce more then the cakes... more substrate using cakes = MORE MUSHROOMS! Now when you wonder into straw and such...things change.


NOW....... were wondering off subject...... BACK TO THE COOL MIST VS. PMP!




DUDE!! Take 7 PF cakes, grow them in your pod. Then when you learn how to do a casing the right way, take 7 cakes and case them, that's the same amount of substrate right there.. grow them in your pod as well. 7 cakes cased to 7 cakes growing cake style. The casing will flush at least twice as many fruits.

Read the Mushroom Cultivator and learn what casings do and why they work the way they do. Then maybe you'll get an idea as to what i'm talking about.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Magash]
    #1900463 - 09/10/03 12:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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You see that? You're using "logic". Not real world experience.
Anyone can read the FAQ's and any other source of information and deduce what works best.
Until you actually DO IT, you'll never really know for sure, now will you?

I have to agree with this.




Because I don't have a digital camera you're saying I haven't done it? You have no basis to judge this. I was explaining it in "logic" so maybe they will understand why.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Magash]
    #1900477 - 09/10/03 12:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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ok so i only glanced through this and the previous thread,
but heres my 2 cents... i currently use BOTH a modified pod, and a COOL MIST

you 2 are compareing apples and oranges
the POD is hands down the BEST for smaller scale growing (rubbermaid size) cakes, casings, it dont matter.. it works GREAT! i wish i had a camera to show you my results....
the humidity and air exchange is always perfect.
its easy to build and fairly cheap...

the COOLMIST is the BEST for GREENHOUSE growing... (wallmart or marthastewart etc)
it offers good humidity for LARGE areas, tho in small areas it tends to have a paradoxical effect (in rubbermaids, the moving air tends to dry things out)

my bulk grows all go into the greenhouse and they LOVE it....
my special grows (cyans, oysters, whatever) go into the POD

so there you have it...
the POD and the COOLMIST are both at the TOP of the list as far as terrariums go...
just diffrent classes

if u want to produce on a smaller scale (BRF cakes/casings etc) go with the POD, it produces the BEST results you can get from non-bulk substrates

if you want to produce mulitpul huge fuckin trays of giant mushrooms, then get yourself a greenhouse (realestate becomes an issue when you start using dishpans as casing trays)

I fully agree with this.




I agree with this too, it's basically what I was saying perviously. But what i'm saying is the POD will make no differnce when growing a casing in it as opposed to growing a casing in a cool mist setup. It offers nothing additional that is needed.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900483 - 09/10/03 12:28 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going by the post, I had no idea you didn't have a digital camera.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900496 - 09/10/03 12:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It should be locked because you're being proven wrong?

Here's a link to prove what i'm saying, PF cakes cased! There's no way you'd ever get this yield off of straight cakes growing alone uncased.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1


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    #1900498 - 09/10/03 12:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Noooo!! no lockage!
the last thread got locked, and it just didnt feel right

i need closure dammit! CLOSURE!!!

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    #1900505 - 09/10/03 12:35 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Ever hear of something called talking in the 3rd party? I can explain why people do this to you if you'd like. "

I think everyone saw that about the growing. Always talk in 3rd party! Everyone!


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    #1900523 - 09/10/03 12:39 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Read the Mushroom Cultivator and learn what casings do and why they work the way they do. Then maybe you'll get an idea as to what i'm talking about.


i did and the whole purpose of casing is to make it self hydrated. you should be able to make a casing and stick it in a tub or drawer and it's own microclimate will provide it with the right moisture as long as you lightly mist it. so all your arguing about wether or nto a pmp or a cool mist is better for a casing is irrelevant in that it does not necessarily need additional air conditioning other than light misting. and 95% relative humidity is too high for a casing anyway, ideal for a casing is 90% or less due to it's very own micro climate.

so, you are arguing something that gets decomposed in it's own hypothesis stage. and you went further in the debate why?


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    #1900539 - 09/10/03 12:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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u just prove my point.....>http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1

unbroken cakes surrounded (covered) with verm or casing material........




Got news for ya, that's called a casing.


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    #1900562 - 09/10/03 12:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you do it in a tray and cover it compleatly the way Anno did it, and let the top layer colonize, then yes it's a casing.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1900576 - 09/10/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wrong! Even rolling a wet cake in verm is casing it!


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    #1900586 - 09/10/03 12:50 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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. and you went further in the debate why?




I went with the way your little friend down there took the discussion. Casings grow fine at 95%, they're susposed to be at 95% for primorida development and then dropped to 88-92 once pins are formed, I have done this, and also left it at 95% the whole way through and didn't notice much of a differnce. I didn't notice much of a differnce in pinset development at 92% either, as opposed to 95%.


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    #1900598 - 09/10/03 12:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Read the Mushroom Cultivator and learn what casings do and why they work the way they do. Then maybe you'll get an idea as to what i'm talking about.


i did and the whole purpose of casing is to make it self hydrated. you should be able to make a casing and stick it in a tub or drawer and it's own microclimate will provide it with the right moisture as long as you lightly mist it. so all your arguing about wether or nto a pmp or a cool mist is better for a casing is irrelevant in that it does not necessarily need additional air conditioning other than light misting. and 95% relative humidity is too high for a casing anyway, ideal for a casing is 90% or less due to it's very own micro climate.

so, you are arguing something that gets decomposed in it's own hypothesis stage. and you went further in the debate why?




My point remains, a PMP does nothing better for a casing than a Cool Mist setup does. And the PMP does not cost less than a Cool Mist setup does. A new Cool Mist is $24, I got mine for $6 off Ebay.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1900602 - 09/10/03 12:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i got one for ya, which is it?
double end CASING tek
is it a cake?
or a casing?
the world may never know!
uh oh, i was just silly there, hope i'm not to imature for this discussion!
yeah that was a whole HELL of a lot of sarcasm buddy!

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My point remains, a PMP does nothing better for a casing than a Cool Mist setup does.


what point was that? then why are you arguing? it all about the patching you fool! and if you did want to control the climate of your casing better i WOULD infact suggest a pmp on the ground you can either put vavles on the hoses, do what magash does and make slidable thingys over the filtered holes to controll the out flow or both. so you can get the varying degrees of humidity you'd need.

and there's your closure!
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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900613 - 09/10/03 12:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Wrong! Even rolling a wet cake in verm is casing it!




I guess, if that's what you want to call it. It's not the true defination of casing though like Anno did it, it also won't yield as much as the true casing method, like how Anno has it displayed.


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    #1900632 - 09/10/03 01:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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TripMeister said:
Wrong! Even rolling a wet cake in verm is casing it!




I guess, if that?s what you want to call it. It?s not the true defination of casing though like Anno did it, it also won?t yield as much as the true casing method, like how Anno has it displayed.




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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: TM]
    #1900643 - 09/10/03 01:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That's a cake growing cake style with some verm sprinkled on top of it, not a casing.  Wow are you misinformed. 

Anyway, Magash I got nothin for love for ya for developing this and bringing it to the OMC.  It's an excellent innovation.   

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    #1900649 - 09/10/03 01:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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That's a cake growing cake style with some verm sprinkled on top of it, not a casing.  Wow are you misinformed. 

Anyway, Magash I got nothin for love for ya for developing this and bringing it to the OMC.  It's an excellent innovation.   

To the rest of you, keep reading.  :smile: 

Goodnight.   




I am far from misinformed. That cake was rolled in verm when wet before being placed in the PMP. The verm colonized. YOU are misinformed. 


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    #1900671 - 09/10/03 01:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you guys have to bitch so much?  :stoned:


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: BatFly]
    #1900691 - 09/10/03 01:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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] what point was that?  then why are you arguing?  it all about the patching you fool!  and if you did want to control the climate of your casing better i WOULD infact suggest a pmp on the ground you can either put vavles on the hoses, do what magash does and make slidable thingys over the filtered holes to controll the out flow or both.  so you can get the varying degrees of humidity you'd need.

and there's your closure!
your dumb for arguing.
ever see a dog backed into a corner? it keeps barking and barking.  if it were inthe open it'd run away.




I'm arguing because you and your misinformed little friends keep taking this conversation in differnt directions, and you're misinforming a lot of people on here.  What does patching have to do with a terrerium?  Yes you need to patch, everyone should know that, but it's irrelivant to the fact of a casing in a PMP vs. a Cool Mist.  You need to patch no matter what kind of growing chamber the casing goes into. 

I already explained why a PMP is no good for casings, because there's not enough surface area for the air to come up with the bottom of the casing tin laying flat on the geolite covering most of the bottom.  3 casings in the PMP and the entire bottom surface area would be covered compleatly, with no area for the PMP to function properly and bring fresh humid air into the terrerium. 

Now say you only put one casing on the PMP, and it is able to function properly and have enough surface area to work correctly..  if you put one casing in a cool mist setup and compare the results they'd still be the same. 

It seems like you're getting frustrated. whats up with the name calling? Settle down dude.  :wink:


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    #1900702 - 09/10/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you guys have to bitch so much?  :stoned: 




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    #1900705 - 09/10/03 01:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ha Poor Man?s Pod... Ha Cool Mist.. HA


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    #1900716 - 09/10/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

*looks up*

Now, THAT's pretty... :wink:


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    #1900718 - 09/10/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Dude...what are the specs on that pic?


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    #1900731 - 09/10/03 01:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ha Poor Man?s Pod... Ha Cool Mist.. HA


Sorry, just had to. 




That should be enough proof to the kids in here that dung (i?m assuming it?s dung/compost or some kind of bulk) yields more than PF cakes, LOL.  Or then again, maybe not?  :smile: 


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    #1900757 - 09/10/03 01:50 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Bird Seed cased with Bed-A-Beast Coconut Fiber. Ultrasonic humidifier and duel air pump.


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    #1900770 - 09/10/03 01:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Looks very very nice. Thanks for posting it!

What strain and what was the wet weight of the first flush? Was RH like 95% or higher throught the run?


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    #1900799 - 09/10/03 02:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

TC, 500 g wet (1 qt substrate used), second flush was about 100 g wet. rH 100% for 20 min and slowly went down to about 70% over 3 hours then back to 100%.

In the end I would have to say each person has their own methods, however somethings are better for certain applications. I have had bad luck recently with the USH (very hard to control and find the "sweet spot" when constantly changing container size and amount) and have moved to a bubbler type system.


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    #1901239 - 09/10/03 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"Just about 99% of anyone who posts on here knows the casings will produce about 40 times more."

DUDE..... Just because a casing is 7 lbs doenst meant theres 7 lbs of substrate. lets just say were talking BRF. The casing WILL NOT Produce more then the cakes... more substrate using cakes = MORE MUSHROOMS! Now when you wonder into straw and such...things change.


NOW....... were wondering off subject...... BACK TO THE COOL MIST VS. PMP! 




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    #1901402 - 09/10/03 09:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Let's not use the word entrainment ever again when it applies to spaces that are smaller than a fucking warehouse ok.I have read TMC very thoroughly, and he says for smaller spaces like aquariums and shit like that,enough air is exchanged in just opening the fucking lid once a day.So,a cool mist or an ultrasonic on a timer will work just great.


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    #1901513 - 09/10/03 10:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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:heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump:nice pic.  :heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump:

let?s see how long this goes on. clash of the titans - which is better, king kong or godzilla? answer - who really cares. they could both fuck your house by sitting on it. ditto both methods discussed here - both work, both have advantages and disadvantages depending on your needs/options/budget/preferences/growing conditions. try both!

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    #1901983 - 09/10/03 01:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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But I Will never agree that a one cake casing and a cake of the same substrate would produce the same.




That has been his argument through this entire thread.

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Im sorry. Cakes r nice because u dont have to break them up or anything. just plop them in the chamber and BLAM one to two weeks you got fruits. with a casing.... u break it up.... case it.... incubate it.... and then fruit it.... at least a another week or two of waiting! :wink: 




That is a bit of a stretch. I don't think casing them adds 'at least another week or two.'


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1902077 - 09/10/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

misinformation? patching not relating? in any testing of a hypothesis one must find and use as many controls as they can in order to make the variable(s) be what they want to test. on pmp vs. cool mist, you said you were talking about casings mostly. so you must recognize that patching is a HUGE variable that you must make into a control. so without it you will get uneven flushes, possibly overlay, and nowhere near the same results from one casing to another. rendering you test useless, so it does relate.

and for the name calling, i never called you a name. i said you're dumb for... that's and adjective. something that describes something else. a name is a word(s) set to distinguish someone from the others. now if i said hey dummy, or the dumb one, that be a name, but i said you're dumb for...
also the fact that i said for after dumb implies set conditions for this perticular instance of dumbness. you're dumb for arguing. that doesn't mean you are dumb all the time, or even very much at all. but this instance you are. what's the point in arguing something if it has no real end.

and the dog metaphor is just that, a metephor. it, once again is not calling you names. i did not say you were a dog. i asked if anyone has even seen the caracteristics of a dog backed into a corner. hoping they'd realize you seem to be doing the same on a comparison. most everyone in here has said they favored the pmp. on a ratings scale that means cool mist is loosing the "better" contest.

kush where's that link of you poll for the pmp vs. cool mist? what were the results of that? that's the only real way to see which is "better". just like television shows or radio, it's all about the ratings..


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    #1902242 - 09/10/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...&PHPSESSID=

That is the link to a post I originated about constructing a fully-automated terrarium. Since I have no use for cakes, as most experienced people would agree, it is in the best interest of the cultivator to construct something that provides ideal conditions for casings, or bulk(cased). I believe that the system that I "thought up" fulfils all of the requirements. The four "bubbler" hoses (those in the mason jars) put out a large amount of humidity, while the air wands under the perlite release ""fresh" air from the bottom up, thus mixing "fresh" air with the CO2 rich air that settles near the bottom. Maybe a small circular fan could be installed to blow directly on the casings (or maybe a few incehs above). This would circulate the humid air around the casings, causing more o2 to be absorbed.

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    #1902551 - 09/10/03 04:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1902611 - 09/10/03 05:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"I Will never agree that a one cake casing and a cake of the same substrate would produce the same."

Why not? They have the same nutrients and therefor the same amount of nurishment for a quantity that will in turn be the same. Casings have a much larger area and are able to supply water much better allowing more to grow at once but given time, a cake can produce just as much.

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"For casings, a tub, a loose lid, some air exchange, thats all you need, and its simple.

That statment is quite over simplyfied, at the least a casing requires proper amount of air exchange in junction with various things.

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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Tremor1127]
    #1902694 - 09/10/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There is still a wait.. the time for mycelium to switch tracks and go... ohh it's time to form pins now. This time varies with conditions/strains/substrains/If it's a full moon, and can take equally along with cakes or casings. The added time of casing is approximately equal to the time of incubation.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1903178 - 09/10/03 11:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I would personally like to appoligise to Anno and whoever elses name I brought into this discussion. I used links to their grows that were used as examples to back up the points I was trying to make. Your names and work don't deserve to be included in a thread with such lame flaming and insults, I tend to think it's kind of disrespectful. I started this debate to do just that, debate and discuss matters related to cultivation in a civil, calm and grown up manner. Since the time I started this some people have not agreed with what i've said, and turned this thread into total negativity, which makes the whole point of debating uesless. In the end no results come when all most people do is bitch and throw insults out. I am somewhat guilty of this as well, and regret allowing myself to drop to that level. It's just frustrating when someone can't grasp the simple concept of casing and why it allows for mushrooms to grow healther and to a higher yield. I lost my paitence and appoligise to the Shroomery for it.

I will no longer post on this topic until the flaming, bitching and childish arguing come to a halt.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1903535 - 09/11/03 12:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, seeing as the thread has come to a halt all together, there really is no bitching. It is very easy to misunderstand or misinterpret over the Internet.

Back to the topic, I'm not sure if there is anything else to say, looks as if in the end it depends on preference. I would like to ask for those who are using either a cool mist or PMP setup to describe their conditions and say something that they don't like about their setup. We have to stop being stubborn and admit to your setup's flaws. Besides, this could help with others making suggestions for fixing problems.

If we are honest about this this thread can become much more constructive.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1903564 - 09/11/03 01:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, well the whole idea for me with this thread was to prove that the PMP outperforms a cool mist setup when growing bulk (casings) related to max yields. I still don't believe it does, just because Cubensis only needs a fresh air exchange once an hour or once every two hours, this can be done in 5-10 minutes time so the humidity can stay at 95% or higher. Also, the floor area being taken up and covered by the casing bottoms causes the PMP to not work properly, there's no area for the fresh and humid air to come from when it's being covered.


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    #1903684 - 09/11/03 02:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

From my experience I would have to say that PMP and Cool Mist are probably equal in terms of applications with smaller casings. But I do prefer the Cool Mist because once you decide to go bulk, which is the next logical step, you can adapt the Cool Mist more easily to suite your needs. In terms of the casings vs. cakes question, I have to say that a casing is better. A cake and a cased cake do have the same nutritional matter to work with, being brown rice flower. But in my experience I think it is easier to rehydrate a casing. Casings can also prepare you for casing bulk materials. So for it's water and educational value, I vote for casings.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: EthanEdwards]
    #1903699 - 09/11/03 02:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

also, once you make a casing all you have to do is mist, harvest, and patch. no mess and hassle dunking between flushes. and even if you must dunk, you can always dunk your casing after a flush or two.

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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1903763 - 09/11/03 02:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok here?s the thing about the Pod that make?s it different then cool mist. The whole timer thing. That isn?t the way it works outdoors there is constand flow of air. That is what the pod does.

Now if you really want info on airexchange you can get the book or take the class or make a living at it like I do. Here is a good one if your really into the subject.



So if you wanna say there the same there not. Really doesn?t take much research.

Now for the casing thing, I haven?t been able to fill it enough to stop humidity. In my post lazy mans tek or some crap like that I broke up enough cakes to fill the bottom of the pod and just threw verm on top. (Hey I said lazy man?s tek) and it held humidity. The biggest complaint I get is how to lower the humidity for casings and I?ve posted this before but here we go.

Put two holes in the top of the chamber and put a screw threw two pieces of rubber then mount so that they can slide over the holes. By making the holes bigger or smaller you can control the humidity to the exact percent. ( From about 80 up )

Now for the cost of the geolite and hydroton ( I know it?s a rip off ) you can use lava rock and get the same results and have enough for acouple of pods for 5 bucks. ( Plus you get cool colors, stupid but you can if you want. ) It?s not the pump that ads the humidity but the rocks or geolite.

What if your at work and the power goes out. The pod holds over 90% humidity for days without the pump on. Will a coolmist do that? Ask the people in the east if power goes out, or in the west in Cali for that matter.

I know a cool mist works most of my pics are from mine. I only came up with the pod early this year I used a cool mist for years I know how they work.

Here?s one that was fully auto. The cool mist ran 27/7 and a ultra sonic came on every few hours to take the place of fanning. I didn?t like the timer cause of temp changes in the larger chambers. ( I hope you all can see how this happens.)



So I?ll say for a small set up a pod is better, for big set ups mist is cause it is way easier to set up. With the pod you set it and forget it. A mist is a little more work.


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Magash]
    #1903777 - 09/11/03 02:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh the casing thing thing, well here's my take. Casing cakes really doesn't do much more then rolling the cake in verm. Kind of though to look at casing BRF as a real casing but when you start to talk straw and horse or cow shit well different story all together. Cased rye berrys or birdseed different story all together. Both methods kick ass. Straw and shit huge yeilds with a little more work. ( worth the work )

BRF is the starting point but it can produce but lets be real it ain't no straw and horse shit casing period.

Easy = BRF
Huge yeilds and a little more work (not much more really) = Straw and horse crap


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Re: Cool Mist setups VS. Poor Mans Pod [Re: Magash]
    #1903963 - 09/11/03 04:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

and then there was magash, and god saw that he was good!


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