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I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs
    #18998192 - 10/19/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..

I know it will be just for a few months hopefully just wondering if other college grads out there are still struggling? Im 27

Any advice on surviving this stage of life?


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion]
    #18998210 - 10/19/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do what you gotta do to pay the bills. I worked a graveyard shift at a gas station for like a year, I met all kinds of people from all walks of life and all professions. I miss it sometimes.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: 4nik8]
    #18998226 - 10/19/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes thats the plan, work hard and pay bills

I guess I will give it a year tops and really shoot for the starz as soon as I get back on my feet


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion]
    #18998282 - 10/19/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, this is why i didn't go to college.

Hope you land a good job soon.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion] * 1
    #18998302 - 10/19/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Apply for jobs like crazy.  Get online.  Look outside your current area/consider moving.

When I graduated college I sent out at least 3 applications a day.  Every day.  I applied for jobs I didn't meet the minimum criteria for all the time.  Less than a month later I was hired at a job I didn't meet their minimum specs for.

Don't get discouraged if you don't hear back right away, just keep going.  You really need to set a number for yourself and and stick to it.  Try to jobs you mostly meet the criteria for, but if you can't find any or run out make sure you meet your quota.  Nobody is going to hand you a job without you at least asking for it.  Maybe an application turns into an interview.  Maybe an interview turns into a lead.

Seriously, do the shit jobs if you have to, but don't ever stop looking for something in your field.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: circularvortex] * 1
    #18998303 - 10/19/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And don't ever tell an interviewer (even for a shit job) that you're looking for something temporary to patch you over.  Nobody wants to hear that.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: circularvortex]
    #18998305 - 10/19/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously, do the shit jobs if you have to, but don't ever stop looking for something in your field.





yea that is the truth right there, i will always keep one eye on progressing in my field

Thanks for the reminder


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: thoughts]
    #18998311 - 10/19/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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thoughts said:
Damn, this is why i didn't go to college.

Hope you land a good job soon.




yea man the last 3 jobs I had could had been filled by non english speaking immigrants

really a punch in the face after writing 20 page papers for 4 years

It also explains why i have  a short temper with most jobs and quit after a few months


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion] * 1
    #18998325 - 10/19/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Man, fuck college.
They just take your money and don't teach you shit about real life.

There's a lot of unwritten stuff in the workplace you can only learn with experience.

Having a short temper and quitting after a few months will not look good to any employer.

Focus on moving up in every job and getting promoted.
The best advice i can give is always be confident and positive, those are the key ingredients to success IMO.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: thoughts]
    #18998349 - 10/19/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

^^ Truf.

You have a degree.  Now you need references.  Don't leave a job unless it's absolutely intolerable or you have an offer from a better company.  Never quit a job without another job lined up.  That looks terrible.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion]
    #18998360 - 10/19/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bearlion said:
Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..

I know it will be just for a few months hopefully just wondering if other college grads out there are still struggling? Im 27

Any advice on surviving this stage of life?




What's your major? Attend a job fair at your university (they should have two fairs each semester depending on your major), attend job fairs in your county... Bring dozens of copies of your resume to give to prospective employers.

Have you ever considered working in real estate? One of my coworkers is a real estate broker, and he says that real estate is back up and booming again. In the mean time, work your minimum wage job to make ends meet. I already have a career, but I'm considering getting my real estate license to make it my side business for when I have free time.

It might be true that having a college degree might not mean anything, but you will be glad that you ended up getting that degree down the road. Most companies won't even consider giving you a promotion unless you have a bachelors degree anymore. So who knows, you might end up starting out at a minimum wage job, and if they see your potential they might promote you to manager, and eventually corporate! The simple fact that you have a college degree will separate you from the rest of the workers. Who knows if you will end up getting lucky, maybe you will, maybe you won't. If it doesn't seem like it, keep trying at other jobs.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G] * 6
    #18998395 - 10/19/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a philosophy degree and make minimum wage at a headshop. 'Bout what I expected. :cookiemonster:


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: NetDiver]
    #18998404 - 10/19/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a philosophy degree and make minimum wage at a headshop. 'Bout what I expected. :cookiemonster:




Would the fact that you smoke pot everyday have anything to do with this outcome?


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
    #18998410 - 10/19/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not really, it's really hard to get a job relating to philosophy unless you have a graduate degree. I eventually plan on getting one, but am taking a bit of a break from school.

Also most philosophy profs I know smoke or enjoy other drugs a lot.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: NetDiver]
    #18998420 - 10/19/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Also most philosophy profs I know smoke or enjoy other drugs a lot.




How do you know this? I have a feeling at least 2 of my professors did, but I can't say with certainty "most" even took hard drugs, or drugs at all.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Crystal G]
    #18998434 - 10/19/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said, most of the ones I know, I'm not saying most in general. And I know this because I talked to them about it or they mentioned it in class. I was quite outspoken about my views on drug legalization.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion]
    #18998457 - 10/19/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

just get your foot in the door in some establishment, and keep your eyes and ears open for new opportunities. overtime, you take steps in the right direction. and sooner or later you start to realise that your working your way up to your actual level, and all of your colleagues also have degrees


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion] * 4
    #18998709 - 10/19/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18998744 - 10/19/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bearlion said:
Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



this
BAs are the new HS Diplomas.

I have 1 BS and like 4 Assoc. degrees but am currently working for $6.40 + tips.

Plan on moving out west and going to grad school then maybe i'll get a real job


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bait_]
    #18998768 - 10/19/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, unfortunately nowadays BA's are pretty common.  You have to start at the bottom (e.g., minimum wage) and work your way up.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: badchad] * 2
    #18998775 - 10/19/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, unfortunately nowadays BA's are pretty common.  You have to start at the bottom (e.g., minimum wage) and work your way up.




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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18998996 - 10/19/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: thoughts]
    #18999123 - 10/19/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn, this is why i didn't go to college.





:awesomenod:

i am letting this inspire me right now.



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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: yogabunny] * 1
    #18999306 - 10/19/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's all about what your degree is in. Too many people go to college cause they feel that they have to, or go for something that seems interesting, but don't consider what career availability is like with that degree, or what the salary is like. When I decided to go back to school I took my interests & looked through the  occupational outlook handbook for matching careers with excellent job growth/availability in the future, and a solid salary/benefits. Then I opted to go to a community college for this degree so that I could graduate debt free. I will be graduating in May, with an in-demand degree, certification & skill set. I'll be able to pick where I work, and I'll have bargaining ability with salary discussions. The best part is that I love the field I'm in.

The lesson here? College is worthwhile. You just need to plan ahead before going.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: bearlion] * 3
    #18999376 - 10/19/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One of my friends is 31 with a masters degree from a pretty decent college and he still works in a coffee shop.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: jewunit]
    #18999386 - 10/19/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably has a shit ton of debt too, right?


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18999389 - 10/19/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure but I don't think so. If he does it's not an amount that's unmanageable. Otherwise I imagine he would be trying to find a job that pays more than working in a coffee shop :lol: He could easily get a job teaching, he's just not interested I don't think.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: jewunit]
    #18999403 - 10/19/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am getting a BS instead of a BA!


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: jewunit]
    #18999404 - 10/19/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Gotcha. Yeah teaching isn't that great of a career anymore. It used to be, but things have changed. Some of my classmates are teachers that have opted to switch careers.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18999418 - 10/19/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's all about what your degree is in. Too many people go to college cause they feel that they have to, or go for something that seems interesting, but don't consider what career availability is like with that degree, or what the salary is like. When I decided to go back to school I took my interests & looked through the  occupational outlook handbook for matching careers with excellent job growth/availability in the future, and a solid salary/benefits. Then I opted to go to a community college for this degree so that I could graduate debt free. I will be graduating in May, with an in-demand degree, certification & skill set. I'll be able to pick where I work, and I'll have bargaining ability with salary discussions. The best part is that I love the field I'm in.

The lesson here? College is worthwhile. You just need to plan ahead before going.






that's a really great point! curious what your field is....


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    #18999430 - 10/19/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Dark_Star] * 2
    #18999453 - 10/19/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I planned on going to college until I saw how my older sister got her degree and it took her years to get a job in her field. The idea of college just doesnt work in todays world.

I decided, fuck college and wasting money just so I can graduate and MAYBE get a somewhat decent job. Instead I looked into union jobs and they are the way to go IMO. I am 24 years old making $33/hr with a guarenteed raise of $.70 a year. I get full health, dental, vision, and prescription insurance that I dont have to pay a dime for.

All college is, is 4 years of wasting your money to have a good time. After that, the majority of college students get shit jobs and a $50,000+ piece of paper that says  they wasted their time enduring 4 more years of school. IMHO


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18999521 - 10/19/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I decided, fuck college and wasting money just so I can graduate and MAYBE get a somewhat decent job. Instead I looked into union jobs and they are the way to go IMO. I am 24 years old making $33/hr with a guarenteed raise of $.70 a year. I get full health, dental, vision, and prescription insurance that I dont have to pay a dime for.




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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: FruitOfLife] * 1
    #18999526 - 10/19/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think making sweeping generalizations about college, either positive or negative, is one of the biggest problems that people have. College isn't "only" one thing or another. If you go in thinking "I'll get a degree in four years and then have a viable career path and be happy" you're probably in for a shock. If you avoid it thinking "It's a waste of time and money, I can find a viable career path without it" you may also be in for a shock.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: jewunit]
    #18999716 - 10/19/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My undergrad degree was in philosophy.  Out of a student base of approximately 15,000 students, we had about 70 philosophy majors.  We all knew our career prospects doing the major.  My writing skills improved significantly in the program as did my reading comp.  All of the top students went either PhD or JD, some others went military, and some others actually got "real jobs."  There was definitely a lot of drug use within the major--even from the top students.  The problem is that any liberal arts major does not really directly "lead" to any set career like an engineering degree makes you an engineer so you have to be prepared to figure out what you want to do and how to get there. 

There is a particular temperament that is attracted to philosophy that values curiosity, abstraction, and mental flexibility.  I was an accounting major for a time, and all the business school majors I knew were, quite frankly, sticks in the mud.  I personally wouldn't hire them.  All the same, without a degree of some sort, unless you have a super huge drive, you are going to fail.  As one poster above pointed out, a bachelors is the new high school diploma.  Respect it for what it is.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: jewunit] * 1
    #18999740 - 10/19/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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One of my friends is 31 with a masters degree from a pretty decent college and he still works in a coffee shop.




if his masters is in finger painting or other liberal arts then he doesnt even deserve to work there... unless he can do this



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    #18999758 - 10/19/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not that lame of a coffee shop.


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Re: I have a BA Degree from a good college but am applying to minimum wage jobs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18999761 - 10/19/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, if you want basically a guaranteed career path with only an undergrad degree you want to get a BSc in Engineering or a computer science degree  With either of those you will start at ~$60 000  and should be into 6 figures by the time you're 30 if you're worth a damn.

With any sort of general BA you just aren't that marketable anymore.


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    #18999775 - 10/19/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I decided, fuck college and wasting money just so I can graduate and MAYBE get a somewhat decent job. Instead I looked into union jobs and they are the way to go IMO.






tell that to the hostess bakers after hostess shut down due to their
continuous strikes, tell that to the UAW employees with US auto manufacturing
migrating north and south of the borders, tell that to the employees of
lockheed when they've shut down in union states and moved to right to work
states

unions are dying. I cant tell you how many union workers I've worked with in
non union jobs, some of those paying better than union scale and all those
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    #18999866 - 10/19/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What is an assoc. degree?

Even with a masters degree it can be hard to find a job in your field sometimes.

I get full time hours, health benefits , life insurance and make a little more than minimum , but I enjoy my job.

Far less than what I probably "should" be making with 3 degrees though. But there are lots of perks .


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    #18999878 - 10/19/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a BA.

I haven't even tried to get in job in the last 4 years.

I have a friend who has a BA too, she hasn't been able to get a stable job for the last 3 years. So I figure I won't lose my time applying to jobs.


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Even with a masters degree it can be hard to find a job in your field sometimes.




which is why one shouldnt major in the evolutionary cycle of pokemon


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    #18999927 - 10/19/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...


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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




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    #19000121 - 10/19/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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which is why one shouldnt major in the evolutionary cycle of pokemon




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    #19000224 - 10/19/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.




Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.

As a matter of fact, this applies to every major. Your degree means nothing if you don't have real-world experience. Which makes me believe that most of you who haven't been able to get jobs, because none of you spent time completing internships or getting work experience. No, you guys probably dicked around, spent your Saturday evenings partying and smoking bongs, waking up up at noon and went to class to complete your minimum requirements, and probably assumed you would be easy pickings for jobs after that.

I mean look at some of the responses people have made. "I didn't even bother applying for jobs for 3 years, because that was a case for a friend of mine." These are not the words of somebody who has a good work ethic. These are the words of somebody who probably never worked his entire time he was enrolled in school.

Then there was this other thread I posted in last week, where this college graduate was proclaiming that he had no luck finding a job for 6 months, yet refused to attend his own college job fair, because the "college recruitment people are a bunch of dickheads." Like, really? You won't even attend your own college job fair, yet you complain about not getting a job? This is PRECISELY WHAT IS WRONG wrong with college graduates today! (and I noticed he had difficulty researching what time and where this job fair was being held at his college, which makes me wonder about how real-life skills).

I'm seeming to notice this trend among college graduates who can't get a job. And I've noticed it among both classes, rich and poor. I've seen rich kids with MBAs or law degrees who graduated from USC with the same problem--no work experience, and they just assume their father will help them find a job when they graduate. Now they're out of work for three years. Things aren't always so easy in the real world.

Because I know I've never had a problem finding a job. I know that there are MANY non-profits that will hire college graduates with no work experience, for instance. The pay won't be good, if you're lucky enough to get pay at all, but if you are given the title of "event coordinator" or "publisher" for this non-profit, it gives you some sense of status and power that looks good when you apply to other jobs in the future. The mimimum wage jobs that I've applied to, EVEN while I was in college, never called back or hired me, even when they were hiring. Because of my other work experience and paid internship experience, they felt that I was overqualified for the job, and I guess would have rather hired high schoolers or college freshmen, who were more likely to stay with the job for longer instead.


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    #19000234 - 10/19/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My undergrad degree was in philosophy.  Out of a student base of approximately 15,000 students, we had about 70 philosophy majors.  We all knew our career prospects doing the major.  My writing skills improved significantly in the program as did my reading comp.  All of the top students went either PhD or JD, some others went military, and some others actually got "real jobs."  There was definitely a lot of drug use within the major--even from the top students.  The problem is that any liberal arts major does not really directly "lead" to any set career like an engineering degree makes you an engineer so you have to be prepared to figure out what you want to do and how to get there. 

There is a particular temperament that is attracted to philosophy that values curiosity, abstraction, and mental flexibility.  I was an accounting major for a time, and all the business school majors I knew were, quite frankly, sticks in the mud.  I personally wouldn't hire them.  All the same, without a degree of some sort, unless you have a super huge drive, you are going to fail.  As one poster above pointed out, a bachelors is the new high school diploma.  Respect it for what it is.



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Any one else have good credentials but cant seem to break into the job world besides working retail, seasonal, minimum wage, etc..





you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.




Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.




I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job.  Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it.  Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.

Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.


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    #19000253 - 10/19/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.


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    #19000260 - 10/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you just gotta study the right thing or you have to be VERY PROACTIVE about NETWORKING.

my sister got her MA in communication disorders and she has headhunters contact her from all over the country. she made 76k right out of grad school


I have a BA in philosophy and I make a little under 13 bucks an hour as a tutor at the university I'm getting my MA from. most Unis offer a tutoring service, if you did well in undergrad see if you can get a job with them, it's the chillest job I've ever had- I'm at it right now. 2/3 of my time I browse the shroomery and reddit and smoke cigs, 1/3 of the time I help people my age (often cute girls) with their school work, which is a lot more enjoyable than most jobs because there is a lot of variety


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whenever I meet a psychology or communications major- which is like, almost every day- I pitylaugh on the inside.


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    #19000311 - 10/19/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.



Not at all.  More and more engineers are being hired as bank analysts and consultants and are taking over a lot of the finance jobs.

Engineering shows that you are capable of problem solving and doing complex math.  If you can communicate effectively (the first step of which involves interview well) then you have the groundwork for the entire skill set required in the finance world.

It's actually the other way around from what you've said - an engineer can become an analyst, but an analyst cannot become an engineer as it is an accredited field that requires an engineer degree to pursue at a professional level.


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two other phil majors graduated with me (small class because it was a December graduation). one was going to law school and the other to medical school. phil majors have the highest acceptance rate to both




I can only imagine why. Philosophy majors are skilled at the art of discourse.

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This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.




Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.




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I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job.  Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it.  Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.

Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.




Yea, I know an engineering major who graduated 3 years ago, with no success at finding a job. The reason was because he had no real-life work experience at all. Oh, and this is California, not some small town, so we're not exactly in a shortage of engineers.

I mean, just think about it. For every year that an engineering major graduates, there are thousands of other fresh, engineering graduates alone within that area who are all local and looking for jobs. What do you think is going to make you stand out from the rest of them?

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I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.




It can be overwhelmingly good if you know a lot of elite, high-status figures who are willing to work with you. It can also be overwhelmingly bad, if you aren't a good salesperson or don't have good connections. I work in finance, and it's very much a roller coaster ride. I might close a couple cases where I make $16,000 in one day. And then the next 2 months I won't see hardly any activity at all. Such is the nature of finance.

A LOT of people quit in this business. They'll work 3 months, get licensed, realize they're not cut out for this, and they quit. Because the first two years are actually really really hard for anybody in finance, they average around $9-18K for their first two years.

And to those of you complaining about not getting a job, I got this job a month before I graduated. And my degree wasn't even in finance.


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    #19000351 - 10/19/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My wife got her undergrad in business and then her masters in business administration (MBA) / public administration (MPA). Her program was amazing because it included a non stop string of internships, practicums, work placements, etc, so when she graduated she had a kick ass résumé and job experience as well as a great education . She's also an amazing networker , and an attractive female minority. All around she is the most highly employable person I know and people throw jobs at her.

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I'm an engineer and almost everyone competent whom I went to school with did not have difficulty getting a good job.  Engineering graduates are hired as consultants, engineers, bank analysts, software developers, you name it.  Any engineering degree is pretty much the best bachelor's degree you can get as it sets you up for a job in almost any technical field.

Of course it doesn't guarantee you're going to get a job, but it's definitely your best bet.




Yea, I know an engineering major who graduated 3 years ago, with no success at finding a job. The reason was because he had no real-life work experience at all. Oh, and this is California, not some small town, so we're not exactly in a shortage of engineers.

I mean, just think about it. For every year that an engineering major graduates, there are thousands of other fresh, engineering graduates alone within that area who are all local and looking for jobs. What do you think is going to make you stand out from the rest of them?



You have to be willing to move of course.  Most good jobs are in major cities.  If you don't live in one and aren't willing to relocate you're probably not going to get a good job, plain and simple.

As to your friend, if you can't get a job in 3 years of ACTUALLY looking with an engineering degree he's doing something seriously wrong or frankly just isn't very good :shrug:.

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I disagree, I think jobs in commerce and finance set one up for the greatest ammount of opportunity once graduated. Because business and commerce relates to everything, where as engineering is more specialised and niche.




It can be overwhelmingly good if you know a lot of elite, high-status figures who are willing to work with you. It can also be overwhelmingly bad, if you aren't a good salesperson or don't have good connections. I work in finance, and it's very much a roller coaster ride. I might close a couple cases where I make $16,000 in one day. And then the next 2 months I won't see hardly any activity at all. Such is the nature of finance.

A LOT of people quit in this business. They'll work 3 months, get licensed, realize they're not cut out for this, and they quit. Because the first two years are actually really really hard for anybody in finance, they average around $9-18K for their first two years.

And to those of you complaining about not getting a job, I got this job a month before I graduated. And my degree wasn't even in finance.



Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry.  The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks.  Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.


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    #19000387 - 10/19/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but even beyond finance, just commerce in general. with a commerce degree it pretty much sets you up to work in any office in some capacity.


i get what your saying about how engineers are well trained and skilled, but just comparing field for field, commerce is the clear winner in terms of employ-ability and job ready-ness. every company in this world has some kind of head office, your eligible for employment in just about any of those.


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Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry.  The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks.  Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.




If they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it's because they choose to. One of the benefits about finance is that you can set your own schedule and work the hours that you like. Basically, the only time you are "required" to work, is when you have appointments with clients. So if they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it means A) That they are ballers and probably make tens or hundreds of thousands each month, or B) They are struggling and looking for ways to find more and more new clients.

Again, it depends on what your job title is. Whether you're a stockbroker, finance consultant, financial advisor, or specialize in hedgefunds. Your schedule will vary depending on your title. It also depends whether you're licensed in mutual funds, or stocks too.

The engineers that I know who are employed, work twice as much as I do. That's why I'm in the process of applying for a real-estate license--because I actually have enough free time that I'm thinking about making real-estate my side-business, while I do finance as my main. Somebody else at the office where I work does the same thing, and told me that real-estate is booming as of now.


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Yeah I've seen a couple of people suggesting to people go into finance in the last couple of days and I can't help but think they don't know the first thing about the industry.  The people I know working in finance literally work 80-100 weeks.  Shit is no joke, most people burnout before making it anywhere.




If they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it's because they choose to. One of the benefits about finance is that you can set your own schedule and work the hours that you like. Basically, the only time you are "required" to work, is when you have appointments with clients. So if they work 80-100 hour work weeks, it means A) That they are ballers and probably make tens or hundreds of thousands each month, or B) They are struggling and looking for ways to find more and more new clients.

Again, it depends on what your job title is. Whether you're a stockbroker, finance consultant, financial advisor, or specialize in hedgefunds. Your schedule will vary depending on your title.

The engineers that I know who are employed, work twice as much as I do. That's why I'm in the process of applying for a real-estate license--because I actually have enough free time that I'm thinking about making real-estate my side-business, while I do finance as my main.



Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.  That's what they have told me anyways, I am not in that industry :shrug:

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?


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    #19000487 - 10/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.

In real-estate, you can make $20-30,000 in a day, and then have no buyers for the next few months. Finance is kind of like this too, especially for beginners.

Some companies, such as Bank of America, have a fixed salary for their financial advisors. You go in from 9-5pm and you get a fixed salary of $50,000 regardless of how many clients you sign up accounts with. Finance companies such as Edward Jones or DeLoitte do not work like this. I personally a $50,000 fixed salary is too low, considering the volume of clients that come into the bank. The place I work does not offer a fixed salary, which is why I have gotten into the habit of saving. Even when I land a huge client, I store at least 80% of my money (after what's left over from money spent on gym, rent, and food), and with the rest of the 20% I will have somebody else at my company invest it in stocks, or contribute it to my 401K, or my other retirement plan.


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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.


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    #19000598 - 10/19/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.




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Maybe it's just because the people I know are working as traders at banks, analysts and McKinsey, Deloitte, etc which are all very high-powered jobs.  They don't really have a choice.  If they don't work that much they would not make it anywhere.

What do you do exactly out of curiosity?




I'm a financial consultant for one of the largest banks in the world. I am licensed to trade in annuities, insurance, roth IRAs, IRAs, and mutual funds and bonds. The only thing I'm not licensed to trade in is stocks. And I think this is what makes the fundamental difference in work schedule. When you trade in stocks, people will be buying and selling at the last minute, so you presumably should be sitting by the computer all day waiting for people to ring. That's more of a fast-paced, high-stress job with long hours. I might go that route once my company sponsors me to get that license.

The type of work that I do, I consider it more like real-estate. (Which is why I thought real-estate would be a good fit for me.) I set up an appointment to meet with prospective clients, based on their portfolio I develop a financial plan for them, show them the best way to save money on their taxes, and if they like it, they will do it. If they don't, they don't, and I don't make anything, and they simply walk away with a free financial plan.




Ohhhh OK yeah that makes sense.  The people I know are not making financial plans for people, they are on the trading floor trading millions of dollars of the banks money.  Very different position.




I don't know what to think of you any more Crystal G, what happened to the crazy girl who went out on crack benders and did test till she had a clit bigger than a babies fist?!




LOL!!!! i knew somebody was going to come in here and say that. Actually risky behavior such as one-night stands, gambling, and drug use has been shown to be statistically more common among people who work in finance than other occupations. If you think about the work it makes sense. Finance is a very risky business itself, and people who are drawn to adrenaline rushes and the risk of winning it all or losing everything are the type of people who go into this business.

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    #19000698 - 10/19/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you have a BA, you dont have good credentials



This.  A BA really does not get you much.  Should have gotten an engineering / computer science degree if you want a bachelor's to pay off.




Just so you know. An engineering degree doesn't guarantee anything either if you haven't spent years working internships. If you don't have real-life work experience, even your engineering degree doesn't mean anything. That's why I even know an engineering graduate who has spent the past 3 years searching for jobs.





I have no degree but I just jumped into a job for a large manufacturer, I
worked 5 months in production before it was suggested that I apply  for a
new position (yes, even the employees have to apply for internal
positions). my new position puts me in the shop and the office, I have a
maintenance staff of 37 at my disposal, I can call on the dozen engineers
to aid me and often work along side them in the development of my ideas


the top end of the pay scale for me isnt as high as $190k the engineers can
earn but if you include my benefits it can push me over the $100k mark


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I have no degree but I just jumped into a job for a large manufacturer, I
worked 5 months in production before it was suggested that I apply  for a
new position (yes, even the employees have to apply for internal
positions). my new position puts me in the shop and the office, I have a
maintenance staff of 37 at my disposal, I can call on the dozen engineers
to aid me and often work along side them in the development of my ideas

the top end of the pay scale for me isnt as high as $190k the engineers can
earn but if you include my benefits it can push me over the $100k mark


not bad for a guy with an 8th grade education. maybe it's just the people you know




Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.

Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.

But even for men who perform manual labor, the money is good while you are young, but the work becomes harder and harder to do especially when health complications naturally arise due to age. There is only a certain number of years you can work in these fields. So I think, it's still good to have a degree to rely on, so one can attain promotions or extend to other fields.

But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.


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    #19000782 - 10/19/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL!!!! i knew somebody was going to come in here and say that. Actually risky behavior such as one-night stands, gambling, and drug use has been shown to be statistically more common among people who work in finance than other occupations. If you think about the work it makes sense. Finance is a very risky business itself, and people who are drawn to adrenaline rushes and the risk of winning it all or losing everything are the type of people who go into this business.

No more fucking around here. I'll probably do another cycle in the future, but nothing else that will drain my life savings anymore.




Yeah, it makes sense, even more so if you were into stock things. Just giving you a hard time though, lol.


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    #19000858 - 10/19/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.




I prefer to think of it as serendipity.  Do you know who is not likely to ever "get lucky"?  Patlal.
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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




They question your ability to do the work because you can't. 
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But even for men who perform manual labor, the money is good while you are young, but the work becomes harder and harder to do especially when health complications naturally arise due to age. There is only a certain number of years you can work in these fields. So I think, it's still good to have a degree to rely on, so one can attain promotions or extend to other fields.




I'm 56 and still doing it although not what I used to do.  I do not hump stacks of lumber and haven't for decades.  That's what the meat is for.  I'm the brains and the hands, not so much the muscle.  I have a degree in nonsense just like so many here but I never had any illusions that it would help me in my career.
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But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.




I got my real career training in the summers.  School was just jerking off.  It was fucking easy as shit, too.

In re: the real estate agent thing.  Don't expect to make much money for a while.  And it won't help if you look at it like a part-time side job.  We have a lot of ladies who lunch around here with their real estate licenses who do no business at all because they don't work at it.  Then we have a very few like my wife who has been a professional sales person her whole career and treats it like a serious, corporate, big hour job.  They make well into the six figures.

You seem like you have experience and a facility for sales and marketing.  That is good.  A successful real estate agent does not get successful by selling real estate.  Real estate mostly sells itself and the agent's job is to make sure the deal doesn't go sour.  What successful real estate agents sell is themselves.  They also have to massage the egos of a whole universe of self absorbed jerkoffs.  Good luck


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    #19000905 - 10/19/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Some of it is based on luck. I think me getting my job, with no formal education in finance, was just luck. But a lot of it is experience and work ethic too. I don't think I would have gotten this job if I hadn't had over 5 years of work experience, with 3 of those years being in sales, advertising, and customer service.




it's not luck, it's marketing and presentation, it's the way you sell yourself to a potential employer

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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses

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But what I still don't understand are the people who enter college, and then get no experience working. Especially if you are one of the lucky ones that have their parents helping them, either with tuition or living at their house or whatever. You are young and able-bodied and have free time and can easily find work. There are hundreds of thousands of recent college graduates within your area looking for jobs. What do you think is going to separate you from the rest, if you only have schooling and no work experience? In a way, I feel sorry for them, because they were almost conned into believing that their degree would secure you for life.





what I've seen, employers in atlanta are willing to hire the young ones out of college because they'll work for less than their older counterparts, an employer is investing time and money into training an employee so if they're paying less initially it offsets the costs if the person quits in a year or two.

the field of employment is also important as many have stated, right now in
the atlanta and outlying suburbs, medical is the guaranteed market for
employment, the baby boomers are getting older, they're retiring and their
health is failing, they're one of the larger population segments and
currently there's nurses that are pulling $100k+ per year, my neighbors
combined income is around $160k, both are nurses. as several have
mentioned, engineers are making bank and in demand, it's a field that not
many women go into, no clue as to why but the engineers I work with are
well paid and the ease at which starfire has hopped jobs has shown that the
industry needs engineers, both mechanical and electrical especially with
the automated systems being put into place


today is the market in which having a degree means nothing, having the
right degree means everything, so majoring in philosophy could mean a job
at burger king regardless of whether you have a PhD or a BA while a BE
could be an $80k/year job without experience


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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses






Wrong. At 18 years old, looking like a homeless vampire from twilight, I walked into offices at two different companies working oil rigs, and hired because of the way I hold myself. Eye contact, willingness to learn, and a sharp tongue have gotten me far more opportunities than my education.


I don't even put my hvac/plumbing certs on my applications anymore.



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Men have more opportunities to make lots of money without a college degree, I feel like, because men can more easily get hired in construction or on oil rigs or installing refrigerators or whatever. When you're a small, petite female weighing it around 100lbs with no experience performing manual labor around the house, employers don't want to hire you because they question whether you can endure the arduous physical exertion.




a 100lb man isnt going to have much luck in construction unless he's
hispanic, if a skinny, pasty white male presents himself on a construction
site as a laborer or a skilled tradesman he's going to be laughed at
because the pale skin is proof to a contractor that the person doesnt work
in construction, a 100lb guatamalan will get the job because there's some
retarded belief that hispanics are born knowing how to build houses






Wrong. At 18 years old, looking like a homeless vampire from twilight, I walked into offices at two different companies working oil rigs, and hired because of the way I hold myself. Eye contact, willingness to learn, and a sharp tongue have gotten me far more opportunities than my education.


I don't even put my hvac/plumbing certs on my applications anymore.



90 hours a week, at $16 hr, with OT, is a hell of a paycheck.





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    #19001226 - 10/19/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chickitty check yoself befo you wreck yoself.

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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?




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Lol so get a JD in environmental law??


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    #19001717 - 10/19/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It really depends what field your BA is in, and what kind of demand there is for the field your job is in.

I'm taking a Network Systems Administration program which is in high demand, expected time before I get a job after the program is done is right away, to 2 months.

If you get a degree in something like philosophy or the arts, good luck getting a job. Odds are you'll be working a minimum wage job for quite some time.

Get a degree in Mechatronics, or Autocad, you'll land a job pretty quick.

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    #19001751 - 10/19/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They question your ability to do the work because you can't. 




Yea, maybe when I was just out of high school I wouldn't have been able to. But now that I've been going to the gym and lifting heavy and after having experimented with steroids twice, I do believe I would be able to. Maybe not the absolute most strenuous of jobs where I'd be lifting 400-500lbs like the guys at moving companies do, but lifting 100-200lbs for me for several hours in a day is easily doable for me right now.

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In re: the real estate agent thing.  Don't expect to make much money for a while.  And it won't help if you look at it like a part-time side job.  We have a lot of ladies who lunch around here with their real estate licenses who do no business at all because they don't work at it.  Then we have a very few like my wife who has been a professional sales person her whole career and treats it like a serious, corporate, big hour job.  They make well into the six figures.

You seem like you have experience and a facility for sales and marketing.  That is good.  A successful real estate agent does not get successful by selling real estate.  Real estate mostly sells itself and the agent's job is to make sure the deal doesn't go sour.  What successful real estate agents sell is themselves.  They also have to massage the egos of a whole universe of self absorbed jerkoffs.  Good luck




Yea, I don't know all that much about the real-estate business. The guy who has his broker license at my office just does it as a side job though. He started out in real-estate and then went into finance, but then decided that finance should be his main career while real-estate was his side business.

Massaging the egos of self-absorbed jerkoffs--sounds a whole lot like customer service. It's probably like being in the service industry--if you can make strangers laugh, you will be successful. I used to be an introvert that didn't know how to talk. Working with people really developed my interaction with people and my social skills.


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    #19001809 - 10/19/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?




public policy and administration emphasis in environmental policy




Have you tried applying for the city or state?
Did you complete internships along the way?
What unknown said... JD in environmental law?


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    #19001917 - 10/19/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Brokers and agents are two different things.

Best side job is to be just a lister. 3% comish for nothing :cookiemonster:


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    #19001933 - 10/19/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For me going to university was a job. I made many times the tuition I paid in scholarships , plus research Nd teaching contracts.

Now I have a low paying job but it's full time, low stress, easy as hell, with health benefits and insurance, and it's enough to pay for all my expenses, entertainment and savings.

Also my province has a tuition tax credit where my tuition paid is credited against income tax, so I will pay no income tax for years.

Because I have zero debt, a fully paid off house , no car (no gas or insurance) and no kids, I basically feel like a rich man even though my job pays shit.

I want for nothing . Still I'm sure ill get a much better job soonish.


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    #19001938 - 10/19/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19001939 - 10/19/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You pretty much gotta start entry level in jobs these days. Your education will have an effect on how far you will be able to go from there. Just cuz you got an education doesn't mean you don't still have to work your way to the top. Unless you got mad connections and a good network. Or an influential family.


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    #19001985 - 10/19/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a BA.

I haven't even tried to get in job in the last 4 years.

I have a friend who has a BA too, she hasn't been able to get a stable job for the last 3 years. So I figure I won't lose my time applying to jobs.




So just because your friend can't get a job with a BA that means you won't try? 
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    #19002257 - 10/20/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Brokers and agents are two different things.

Best side job is to be just a lister. 3% comish for nothing :cookiemonster:




What's a lister, just somebody who runs a website with lists of properties for sale? Do you need a license to do that? And does the person have to buy the home from your website for you to make money? Cause really, who buys a home through the internet?


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    #19002336 - 10/20/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shut it paul




Is that a reference to paul from aqua teen hunger force?

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    #19002344 - 10/20/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They are listing agents. Usually retired real estate people that put their big name on the property to attract a bigger clientele and a lesser known broker or agent can do the actual sale.

That's what happened when my parents listed their 600k home anyways.

Old hags were already rich so weren't motivated to sell, they had multiple properties that they just sit back and collect on when sold. They dropped them after the contract was over and got with an up and coming agent who got the the same amount of showings in her first week than the old fucks in 6 months.

House is still for sale tho, I don't think the rents even want to sell it...


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    #19002347 - 10/20/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shut it paul




Is that a reference to paul from aqua teen hunger force?

if so :thumbup:

or is a reference to the biblical paul?



No, reference to you being pawpaw back in OTD


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    #19002491 - 10/20/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19003367 - 10/20/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19003443 - 10/20/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I got sick of making crap wages so I followed the sheep and with little training got a job working in the oilfield industry, now I'm up over $120,000 a year, but gone for 9 days or longer at a time...not sure where you live, but Mining and Oilfield jobs are pretty much booming all over, as we rush to profit from the destruction of our planet :p


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    #19003457 - 10/20/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Brokers and agents are two different things.

Best side job is to be just a lister. 3% comish for nothing :cookiemonster:




This is completely ignorant.  There is no such thing as a "lister" and they don't do nothing.


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    #19004321 - 10/20/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shut it paul




Is that a reference to paul from aqua teen hunger force?

if so :thumbup:

or is a reference to the biblical paul?



No, reference to you being pawpaw back in OTD




Pawpaw? What does that mean?

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    #19004324 - 10/20/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shut it paul




Is that a reference to paul from aqua teen hunger force?

if so :thumbup:

or is a reference to the biblical paul?



No, reference to you being pawpaw back in OTD




Pawpaw? What does that mean?

OTD is the one forum I never go to.





You know... pawpaw.... every one knows what that means.  :smirk:


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    #19004343 - 10/20/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have no idea. Are you guys messing with me? Because I have no idea what you are talking about .


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    #19004349 - 10/20/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I will probably get stuck in pizza when I graduate, with damn near 40k in debt :sad: Scares the shit out of my bro


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    #19004384 - 10/20/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know a girl who has 40 000 in debt and she dropped out in the last year of her degree , never even graduated.


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    #19004467 - 10/20/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have no idea. Are you guys messing with me? Because I have no idea what you are talking about .






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    #19004910 - 10/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well speaking personally, I never went to college and have been busting my ass in jobs for the past 10 years in my general field (computers), working my way from nothing.. and am almost in Product Management for a respected PC company and make a pretty decent salary. Nothing too crazy, but enough to live comfortably in SoCal. In my field, experience, knowledge and certifications usually trumps a college diploma with less experience. For my current position, I was chosen over another person with a degree, due to my experience. Another certification or two and I can advance into IT/Network Engineering and make even better pay.

Now that's certainly NOT going to be the case everywhere, a lot of positions won't even consider you without a degree. But a lot of times I have found they are willing to overlook that, if you have the equivalent prerequisite knowledge and years of experience or an impressive resume.

But really.. now you have the degree, now you just have to get out there and get your feet wet and get some experience under your belt. Apply everywhere, and never stop looking for work in YOUR field. You just have to be really persistent. If you can at least get your foot in the door at some good company, you can start to prove yourself and work your way up the chain. Just gotta really put yourself out there and not give up.

I always refused to work a shitty min wage fast food job... mainly out of pride. But I also wanted to actually ADVANCE in my field and not work some completely unrelated job that I hated. (although I inevitably had several). But when I didn't have a full time job, I was out trying to hustle side jobs, doing computer repairs on the side, helping old people, putting ads on craigslist.. manual labor.. whatever it took.. all in the meantime applying everywhere I could.

Opportunities are out there, but they usually don't just fall in your lap. You really have to work towards them and CREATE opportunities for yourself.
Make a goal.. and stick to it. Start small somewhere and work your way to the top. Step at a time..  Just gotta be really persistent :thumbup:


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    #19004944 - 10/20/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I know a girl who has 40 000 in debt and she dropped out in the last year of her degree , never even graduated.



This is why there should be strict requirements for admission.


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I know a girl who has 40 000 in debt and she dropped out in the last year of her degree , never even graduated.



This is why there should be strict requirements for admission.




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    #19029290 - 10/25/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a master's degree.  I work in a shitty pizza restaurant.  At least I have a job though.  Hang in there.  You might have to take something below what you wanted.  But if the job is shit you can always bail on it when something better comes along...




Masters in?




public policy and administration emphasis in environmental policy




Have you tried applying for the city or state?
Did you complete internships along the way?
What unknown said... JD in environmental law?




I considered a law degree, but I have already spent eight years in school and it's time to move on.  Plus, I do not crave the lifestyle of a student anymore.  If i was able to do it over, yes a law degree would be a path to consider.  But a science degree would be more beneficial in an environmental field. 

I haven't spent time looking at the city or county level.  But I regularly cruise the state job website.  I meet requirements for education, but usually lack experience for state jobs.  I did two internships.  One with the largest environmental nonprofit in the world, the other was with a local nonprofit.  The internship work should make me competitive in the nonprofit field, which is what I am pursuing, but I am not having much luck.


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    #19029375 - 10/25/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I considered a law degree, but I have already spent eight years in school and it's time to move on.  Plus, I do not crave the lifestyle of a student anymore.  If i was able to do it over, yes a law degree would be a path to consider.  But a science degree would be more beneficial in an environmental field. 

I haven't spent time looking at the city or county level.  But I regularly cruise the state job website.  I meet requirements for education, but usually lack experience for state jobs.  I did two internships.  One with the largest environmental nonprofit in the world, the other was with a local nonprofit.  The internship work should make me competitive in the nonprofit field, which is what I am pursuing, but I am not having much luck.




I'm surprised you haven't applied for the city or state yet. They always have TONS of offerings for people who would be qualified for instance, to work in water sanitation or for the USDA or whatever. And before you think that you don't have the scientific credentials, think again. My father only studied political science in college and graduate school, and he ended up doing work for tons of scientific companies such as NSF, USDA, 3M, QAI... he worked in the business sector for them. And if they decide you need scientific training, most of these companies will train you (with pay) and you will get whatever certificates you need in less than 6-9 months. Starting pay for just a basic tech starts at around $50K, much better than a pizza company.

It seems to me that most of the people who are working minimum wage jobs simply aren't looking hard enough, or aren't making use of the resources available to them to help them find jobs. If I were you, I would probably already be working for the USDA in the sanitation department or something.


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    #19030032 - 10/25/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I considered a law degree, but I have already spent eight years in school and it's time to move on.  Plus, I do not crave the lifestyle of a student anymore.  If i was able to do it over, yes a law degree would be a path to consider.  But a science degree would be more beneficial in an environmental field. 

I haven't spent time looking at the city or county level.  But I regularly cruise the state job website.  I meet requirements for education, but usually lack experience for state jobs.  I did two internships.  One with the largest environmental nonprofit in the world, the other was with a local nonprofit.  The internship work should make me competitive in the nonprofit field, which is what I am pursuing, but I am not having much luck.




I'm surprised you haven't applied for the city or state yet. They always have TONS of offerings for people who would be qualified for instance, to work in water sanitation or for the USDA or whatever. And before you think that you don't have the scientific credentials, think again. My father only studied political science in college and graduate school, and he ended up doing work for tons of scientific companies such as NSF, USDA, 3M, QAI... he worked in the business sector for them. And if they decide you need scientific training, most of these companies will train you (with pay) and you will get whatever certificates you need in less than 6-9 months. Starting pay for just a basic tech starts at around $50K, much better than a pizza company.

It seems to me that most of the people who are working minimum wage jobs simply aren't looking hard enough, or aren't making use of the resources available to them to help them find jobs. If I were you, I would probably already be working for the USDA in the sanitation department or something.



But what about the folks who cant get state or federal Jobs. Or work with kids :foreheadslap:


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I considered a law degree, but I have already spent eight years in school and it's time to move on.  Plus, I do not crave the lifestyle of a student anymore.  If i was able to do it over, yes a law degree would be a path to consider.  But a science degree would be more beneficial in an environmental field. 

I haven't spent time looking at the city or county level.  But I regularly cruise the state job website.  I meet requirements for education, but usually lack experience for state jobs.  I did two internships.  One with the largest environmental nonprofit in the world, the other was with a local nonprofit.  The internship work should make me competitive in the nonprofit field, which is what I am pursuing, but I am not having much luck.




I'm surprised you haven't applied for the city or state yet. They always have TONS of offerings for people who would be qualified for instance, to work in water sanitation or for the USDA or whatever. And before you think that you don't have the scientific credentials, think again. My father only studied political science in college and graduate school, and he ended up doing work for tons of scientific companies such as NSF, USDA, 3M, QAI... he worked in the business sector for them. And if they decide you need scientific training, most of these companies will train you (with pay) and you will get whatever certificates you need in less than 6-9 months. Starting pay for just a basic tech starts at around $50K, much better than a pizza company.

It seems to me that most of the people who are working minimum wage jobs simply aren't looking hard enough, or aren't making use of the resources available to them to help them find jobs. If I were you, I would probably already be working for the USDA in the sanitation department or something.




In your father's time I would have been swooped up long ago.  Unfortunately for your papa's children('s children's children's children...), times are changing.   

I have applied for several state jobs.  Just not local level, yet. I'll look into it though.  Thanks for reminding me.  A nationwide job search gets overwhelming at times and it's easy to overlook what's right in front of you.  However, and to the difficulty op is having, I think we are in a different climate, job wise, than when your father was coming up.  Employers can be much more specific in the required qualifications and are much less likely too offer on the job training or job development.  It's a tight "job market," why would they?  They have the luxury of a massive pool of employees.       

To contribute to the thread, I have a job search checklist which l log all relevant employers, job websites, submitted applications with dates, followup letters and random helpful notes.  Super organized.

Crystal, I would love to work for the USDA.  Put in a good word for me with your dad :-)  Like this "Dad I know this really smart guy from a drugs website who can administrate policy with the skill and adroitness that would make your face melt.  You should hire him."  Thank you.


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