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You will find no answer
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So long as there is a you that is looking.
There is no such thing as a human, things just seem to happening.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott]
#18997844 - 10/18/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seeing as there is no you, you will not mind putting your hand all the way down into a running garbage disposal.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott]
#18997949 - 10/18/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Phillip Glass looks a little stoned
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott] 1
#18997951 - 10/18/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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WScott said: That doesn't make any sense.
Why not? It would simply be another happening and would certainly not harm a you that does not exist.
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Repertoire89 said: Phillip Glass looks a little stoned
Do you look very digitized when you get stoned?
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I don't feel digitized
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OrgoneConclusion said: Why not? It would simply be another happening and would certainly not harm a you that does not exist.
The happening tends toward cellph-preservation where possible. Your suggestion would only yield satisfaction to a you that doesn't exist in the first place anyway.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott]
#18998437 - 10/19/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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prove it?
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WScott said: That doesn't make any sense.
Why not? It would simply be another happening and would certainly not harm a you that does not exist.
Pain is an event which doesn't necessarily have to happen to an ego. Animals without the neural equipment to experience a sense of self can experience pain.
I feel like I've debunked this exact same argument from you multiple times, yet every time you ignore it and then pull it out again whenever someone claims the self is illusory.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: NetDiver]
#18998447 - 10/19/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There was no mention of pain. We would, of course, numb the hand and arm sufficiently so as to cause no physical suffering as we are not beasts! Note that emotional suffering only happens to an ego.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: NetDiver] 2
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Samurai Drifter said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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WScott said: That doesn't make any sense.
Why not? It would simply be another happening and would certainly not harm a you that does not exist.
Pain is an event which doesn't necessarily have to happen to an ego. Animals without the neural equipment to experience a sense of self can experience pain.
I feel like I've debunked this exact same argument from you multiple times, yet every time you ignore it and then pull it out again whenever someone claims the self is illusory. 
Guess it's all in how you define your terms. Self? What exactly do you refer to? Physical? Psychological/mental?
And if it's all one thing what is the implications of that when we must behave as separate for our survival?
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott]
#18999816 - 10/19/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most likely no answer.

Edited by liquidlounge (10/19/13 01:41 PM)
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott] 1
#18999885 - 10/19/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see death anxiety.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: Cactilove]
#19000384 - 10/19/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't fear the
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They do THAT, I do them.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: NetDiver]
#19000545 - 10/19/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Animals without the neural equipment to experience a sense of self can experience pain.
How could you possibly know whether animals have the "neural equipment to experience a sense of self"?
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19000611 - 10/19/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This has become the 'make stuff up and declare it as true' forum.
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Cool, I've come to the right place.
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Well, in that case....
I WILL NEVA DIEEE!
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19000742 - 10/19/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Animals without the neural equipment to experience a sense of self can experience pain.
How could you possibly know whether animals have the "neural equipment to experience a sense of self"?
The mirror test, seems a good indicator that some animals have a sense of self.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: falcon]
#19000773 - 10/19/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or a good indicator that some animals are indifferent to mirrors
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19000790 - 10/19/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So human babies suddenly become interested in mirrors when they hit a certain age? Until then they are just indifferent to them whether they are self conscience or not?
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: Cactilove]
#19000804 - 10/19/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dunno. I just object to the idea that if animals had a sense of self they would recognisably behave like us.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19000881 - 10/19/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We behave like them.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: WScott]
#19000968 - 10/19/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If animals have no sense of self, and we behave like them, then we have no sense of self 
I'm sure there are dogs out there who look at us and think "if those hairless apes had a sense of self they'd lick their own arses more"
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19001343 - 10/19/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If animals have no sense of self, and we behave like them, then we have no sense of self
That's an assumption held in the face of evidence that suggests otherwise. We behave like animals, because we are animals. Animals with a sense of self.
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I'm sure there are dogs out there who look at us and think "if those hairless apes had a sense of self they'd lick their own arses more"
Perhaps but, I doubt it. As far as I know the isn't much convincing evidence that dogs think in the english language.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: Cactilove]
#19001480 - 10/19/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no evidence that anyone other than me has a sense of self.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: viktor]
#19001569 - 10/19/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time to get experimenting son.
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Re: You will find no answer [Re: Cactilove]
#19001909 - 10/19/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does a spider require a sense of self in order to sing and dance for a potential mate?
If a spider had absolutely no sense of self, could it be so sexy?
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