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What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me
    #18997138 - 10/18/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have smoked quite a bit of Salvia, both breakthrough and sub breakthrough doses. I find the unpleasant, consistent, and unique attribute to a Salvia trip THE VOICE! There's always a loud voice that telepathically communicates to me (I don't actually hear it) "You have always been this way and always will be this way". On low doses I hear it and wonder "What's this way?" or "Why is this disturbing?" it's weird how even lower doses I hear it, as with other hallucinogens, I don't feel stuck at lower doses - they're not trying to convince me I'm insane or inhuman. On higher doses of Salvia I can't even question because usually I am a inanimate object, I know I've always been this way. With other hallucinogens in breakthrough doses I feel like there's no beginning and no end which is a similar reality, but with Salvia I get more resistant because usually what I am seeing is very grim. With DMT is beautiful and meaningful, it can be overwhelming, frightening, I can wonder if I'm dead. But with Salvia its horrifying and overwhelming with very little traces of beauty, I can wonder if I'm in hell...


Anyways thought I'd share that with yall. This would be something I wish I would of read before cause I was so scared to do DMT from my Salvia breakthroughs. Now I see they're not at all alike. Nothing humbles me to appreciate sanity by making me realize the depth of darkness like Salvia, I do find value in that on a rare occasion.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: Lyghtsout]
    #18997632 - 10/18/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

salvia and dmt are nothing alike besides how fast acting they are and short duration


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: SnowDaze]
    #18997665 - 10/18/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I had to stop dosing salvia cause that crazy crow robot from mst3000 would be asking me weird questions all the time, and everything was slanted to the left.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: 4nik8]
    #18997683 - 10/18/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i hate it when it pushes you to one side


then again... i always hate it


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: 4nik8]
    #18997694 - 10/18/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i used to have a plant and smoke the dropped leaves and the dose was too small for anything other than Altering my Perception mixed with marijuana and other psychedelics

i smoked a bunch of leaves in a gravity bong multiple bowls and i began laughing while feeling like i was getting strapped back to the wall or something

one time i took an internet test that said i was Schizotypal, a step away from shizophrenia but i've never heard any voices, even on drugs


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: tokerL]
    #18997736 - 10/18/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I didn't have a breakthrough on salvia until I got ahold of some 20x stuff. It's for sure not for everyone either.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: tokerL]
    #19038164 - 10/26/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude I relate to that strapped to a wall feeling. I always get this distinct feeling that is Salvia is trying to convince me I'm an object and nothing is real. Reality and life is a lie - that's the fear I get from Salvia, not only that but the reality I am in is eternal in both senses - it has no beginning AND it will never end, and I believe it 100%. No other hallucinogen is as convincing, which I find unique and horrifying about Salvia. Even at low doses it tries to convince me. I hear it loud in the sense it has a lot of power to convince me, because it controls my thoughts and by doing so takes away my ability to doubt. Now when I break through, I have to convince myself reality is real when I come down, and I feel I am less convincing then the voice of Sally is. Salvia has taught me, I have less control over my perception then I think I do which has given me more control in a sense. It's also taught me gratitude for sanity. It's shown me powerful forces I don't understand, in that light it's granted me with humility. But I payed dearly for these things. It takes work, it truly hurts now and pays substantially later.

I'm just glad I'm a human, sooooo glad now! :-)

My most vivid breakthrough experience - I feel myself unfolding in all directions. The unfolding is like SLAMMING and was very vivid - all I see is darkness. Somehow I see myself traveling against a wall at the top of a room, I am traveling by "unraveling" essentially. On this wall I am unraveling there is a long window I'm unraveling against, with light that appears to be from the sun. I fully unravel and see my body as a yellow matt (couple inches thick soft cushioned much like a matt) stuck to the wall, I have an elongated neck and head that reminds me of the shape of a slug as far as the features of the eyes, but the neck and head were more flat. Keep in mind, this was extremely vivid. I have a deep feeling "this is wrong, I'm not gonna be this forever" not remembering I'm human, it was just a deep sense. Everything about my perception and thoughts said "Duh, this is what you are" Though I couldn't fight my perception, I still felt shrill terror. I then saw 2 entities in the center of the room, I tried to yell for help and it was like a nightmare. The ones where you yell for help but you're so scared you can't yell, it was exactly like that. I then saw the entities throw a round disc on the corner of the other wall, and it unfolded into the same exact form as me, but rather then yellow it was blue. It was at that point I realized I was a toy/decoration, that the entities in the room bought me at a store as a disc, and threw me against the wall, at which point I unfolded.

This was as real as it ever got for me. Normally the trip is chaotic and fast, but at this point it froze long enough for me to analyze what was happening. It was amazingly terrifying.


One way to use it that I find resourceful and a way to avoid the terror is to break though rarely smoke sub breakthrough doses occasionally. Once you break through you are reminded what it was like to be lost in it by lower doses without being actually lost in it. This memory recollection it gives me without mind fucking me makes me more able to analyze what happened and get more from Sally.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: Lyghtsout]
    #19038513 - 10/26/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Salvia is a dissociative along with ketamine and PCP, although salvia is the only natural one and probably the most powerful but shortest acting.

LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, and DMT are psychedelics hallucinogens.

There is a huge difference between those categories. They act on completely different receptors.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19039366 - 10/27/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that Salvia is an a-typical psychadelic in that it's different from tryptamines, phenethylamines, ergolines, etc. while these classifications of psychadelics have unique effect they are similar in an overall aspect.

However, Salvia is much different from ketamine and PCP in my experiences. Ketamine and PCP are addictive, they take you to a pleasant version of Salvia that doesn't have the same spirit. Ketamine, PCP, dextromethorphan, methoxetamine, nitrous oxide etc. are all NMDA agonist. Salvia doesn't effect this receptor in the brain.

In short, tho Salvia has a dissociative influence, I wouldn't give it that label. I wouldn't label it a psychadelic either tho it has a psychadelic influence as well. Salvia is it's own thing really. I compared it to DMT for those skeptical about breakthrough experiences because DMT and Salvia are the only 2 where I breakthrough is possible without a possibility of severe psychological damage and/or a trip to the ER. I was skeptical about breaking through after Salvia, I now realize DMT is a completely different and much more pleasant experience.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: Lyghtsout]
    #19039375 - 10/27/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think salvias dissociative effects might just be its pure intensity. And I'm pretty sure you could get psychological damage from salv or DMT. my poor buddy first trip was so bad that he still won't tell me what he saw.


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Re: What makes Salvia unpleasant yet very unique for me [Re: tbone8352]
    #19039387 - 10/27/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I should of said with a much lower probability, because of its short duration of action. I think problems are would me more likely to happen with Salvia then DMT. But take enough shrooms, LSD, mescaline, anything to break through and have it last with their duration of action, there's a low probability you wouldn't have psychological issues. That's the only way I relate Salvia to DMT, their short duration of action makes it more possible to go further and still come back.


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