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First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens?
    #18995603 - 10/18/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, long time lurker, first time caller, here.

Someone that I know is an experienced edibles hunter, and she stumbled on these mushrooms in her backyard, in some grass/dirt/clay/wood chips.  There were coniferous plants and ferns in the area they were found.

They are a darn brown to light brown color, with a waxy/wet looking cap.  Visible striation along the edges of the cap.  Caps are wavy as they age, with a visible nipple on the top of the cap.  Stipe is fiberous, and bruises blue/green and then black as it ages.  If undisturbed, the stipe remains white with a slight yellowish tint.

Spore prints are a dark chocolate color.  Maybe some purple at the right angle.

She told me that they bruised blue/green/black and had never found anything that wasn't a bolete or lactating cap that had those colors.  She also noted that most of the older specimens had a blue/black ring just underneath where the gills attach on the stipe.  I figure it is from a partial veil (maybe?) that had spores drop on it.  I know that there are deadly species that can mimic a Cyanescens, so I made sure she sent me a picture of that too (top left).

She picked them, drid them, and made some spore prints and sent me a copy.

I can't tell from the pictures, but I told her a possible P. Cyanescens  variety had been found.  Reddit told me that I should ask over here, so here I am!  Sorry if the pictures aren't the best, she took them with her phone.




EDIT: Troller to Lurker!


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18995641 - 10/18/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybe cyanescens.

I presume you mean 'lurker' and not 'troller'


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18995731 - 10/18/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocybe cyanescens.

I presume you mean 'lurker' and not 'troller'





I did mean that :smile:


Also, how old is too old?  Black on the caps mean it is too old?


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18995746 - 10/18/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Same way you'd judge a vegetable. You probably wouldn't want to eat one that's gotten all soft, sqidgy, runny, or is changing colors (apart from the blueing, of course).


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18995882 - 10/18/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good call.

Now, final question.  Are there any look-a-likes that could display all of these characteristics and could be potentially fatal?

The reason I am concerned is because of the blackening that I noticed from the pictures.  I have never studied a Cyanecencs mushroom before, and have only seen P. Cubensis in person twice at a mushroom show.  They were definitely bruised blue, but it was a deep blue, not really a black at all. 

Is this a unique characteristic of this particular mushroom?



Also, I had read that the poisonous varieties that can be mistaken for P. Cyanescens would either not leave a dark spore print, or not bruise, or both, so those two I think we have safely ruled out.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18995926 - 10/18/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Good call.

Now, final question.  Are there any look-a-likes that could display all of these characteristics and could be potentially fatal?

The reason I am concerned is because of the blackening that I noticed from the pictures.  I have never studied a Cyanecencs mushroom before, and have only seen P. Cubensis in person twice at a mushroom show.  They were definitely bruised blue, but it was a deep blue, not really a black at all. 

Is this a unique characteristic of this particular mushroom?



Also, I had read that the poisonous varieties that can be mistaken for P. Cyanescens would either not leave a dark spore print, or not bruise, or both, so those two I think we have safely ruled out.




Interested in the answer to this as mine are quite black too.

Cheers :smile:


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18995927 - 10/18/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not with purple-brown spores.

Blueing can often be so severe that it appears indigo black. Particularly when combined with the darkening that occurrs when you severely mangle the tissue.

Darkening/blackening in the stipe is characteristic in Galerina, which can look extremely similar, and of which at least some are known to be deadly poisonous, but have rust colored spores.

With the strongly blueing woodlovers, verify blueing in all specimens, and when in doubt, print anything which is suspect.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18996279 - 10/18/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

good find :thumbup:
getting kinda nasty though!


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18996330 - 10/18/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I presume you mean 'lurker' and not 'troller'




lol

Nice find man :thumbup: Welcome to the boards


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: harvey253]
    #18996371 - 10/18/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I know.  Presumably there will be another flush, so I will let he know to check again in a couple of weeks.

She also disturbed the mycelium.... spread it around a bit by digging through it.  Will that ruin everything (this question is for anyone).


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18996652 - 10/18/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, I know.  Presumably there will be another flush, so I will let he know to check again in a couple of weeks.

She also disturbed the mycelium.... spread it around a bit by digging through it.  Will that ruin everything (this question is for anyone).




My buddy did that while we were picking
Came back next week and there was thousands more cy's


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18996660 - 10/18/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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She also disturbed the mycelium.... spread it around a bit by digging through it.  Will that ruin everything (this question is for anyone).




If done carefully and deliberately, that will speed colonization of any uncolonized areas of the bed.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18996711 - 10/18/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God, those look like ovoids.

Edit: "Spore prints are a dark chocolate color.  Maybe some purple at the right angle."

I think those are ovoids.

2nd edit. Maybe not. I thought ovoids were the only psilocybe that has chocolate brown spores that start off purplish.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: koods]
    #18996753 - 10/18/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They may well be. I couldn't see any of the suggested annular zone (unless what looks for all the world like a crease in the stipe of that old rotten one is actually an annulus).

It wouldn't be the first time they turned up over on out coast.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18996897 - 10/18/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How obvious is the blueing? I picked one today that I believe was a Cyan, and it was small, but when it stained it seemed to be only brown, maybe just a subtle tinge of brown. Does that mean I have to wait for it to get larger if it is indeed a Cyan?


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MushforBrains]
    #18996907 - 10/18/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How obvious is the blueing? I picked one today that I believe was a Cyan, and it was small, but when it stained it seemed to be only brown, maybe just a subtle tinge of brown. Does that mean I have to wait for it to get larger if it is indeed a Cyan?




No, it means it is not a P. cyanescens at all.  You should post an ID request.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MushforBrains]
    #18996916 - 10/18/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Allow it to dry out a little, and watch it from time to time. Make sure you look in good light, as what passes for good indoor lighting in a lot of homes is quite dim and yellow.

In a species like P. cyanescens, it should be, or should soon become absolutely unmistakable.

you should take a picture and post it here in the hunting forum if you're having trouble. A lot of mushrooms look varying amounts like P. cyanescens to various people.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: canid]
    #18997041 - 10/18/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The ring is visible on many of the mushrooms from the picture that she sent me, the one that I chose was the oldest of the bunch, with the most pronounced ring.

They definately stain blue/green/black.

The caps have a green tinge all around the edge, and some of them are greenish/blueish on the cap where it cracked/broke.

I can post some more pictures, I included the ones that I thought would best show the various stages!

Also, these were picked about 60 miles inland of the oregon coast, on a hill that leads to a small but damp creek.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MisterPNW]
    #18997419 - 10/18/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, excellent advice. I'll post an ID request tomorrow hopefully.


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Re: First post-- can these be actives? Possible P. Cyanescens? [Re: MushforBrains]
    #18997428 - 10/18/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome man! Looking forward to it.:thumbup:


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