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 When do we revolt? 
#1897890 - 09/09/03 11:21 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am interested in the answers from this forum as to when should a public revolt against its government. I have a feeling this should spark some interesting debate.
I am not interested in other governments ruling over peoples, i.e. Gandhi and India. I am talking about governments ruling over thier own people.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: ]
#1897903 - 09/09/03 11:25 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simple. When enough of the people decide the current government is not working the way they want it to. Enough would be a super majority of the people IMO. Say 75% or so.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: ]
#1897910 - 09/09/03 11:26 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I might support a revolution right now, except that it wouldn't have enough popular support. Any revolution needs the support of the working man, who, unfortunately, is currently too brainwashed by Fox News and TV shows about gay guys giving straight guys a makeover. TV, I think, is an even stronger opiate for the masses than religion.
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silversoul7 said: TV, I think, is an even stronger opiate for the masses than religion.
Exactly!
Most people are consumed by the entertainment industry. As long as people are interested in things like Britney spears kissing Madonna we are stuck in this reality!
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: ]
#1898336 - 09/09/03 01:34 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sooner rather than later. We need to step back from the path we have taken and return to the path the founding fathers so brilliantly laid out for us.
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I would also like to point out that even if a majority of the population supported a revolution, and we weren't able to achieve it peacefully, then we wouldn't be able to achieve it by conventional warfare either, since the US military has way more firepower than we could dream about, even if all guns were legal. There is one effective way of fighting against a better-armed opponent, and you guys aren't gonna like this one: terrorism. That's right. If we're gonna defeat the US government in a violent revolution, we can't afford to play by the rules. We'll have to fight dirty. Car bombs, assassinations, you name it. It's the only effective way of fighting against an opponent like the US government.
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Why go backwards?
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Quote:
silversoul7 said:
I would also like to point out that even if a majority of the population supported a revolution, and we weren't able to achieve it peacefully, then we wouldn't be able to achieve it by conventional warfare either, since the US military has way more firepower than we could dream about, even if all guns were legal. There is one effective way of fighting against a better-armed opponent, and you guys aren't gonna like this one: terrorism. That's right. If we're gonna defeat the US government in a violent revolution, we can't afford to play by the rules. We'll have to fight dirty. Car bombs, assassinations, you name it. It's the only effective way of fighting against an opponent like the US government.
Well, since I don't think you will have a majority in the country wanting to fight against the government anytime soon I don't think you have to worry about it. Just in case though, PM me your address, and the addresses of any buddies of yours that might like to help.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: ]
#1899202 - 09/09/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shouldn't we volt first?
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: GazzBut]
#1899376 - 09/09/03 05:54 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why go backwards?
because we were on the right track and got lost.
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I would also like to point out that even if a majority of the population supported a revolution, and we weren't able to achieve it peacefully, then we wouldn't be able to achieve it by conventional warfare either, since the US military has way more firepower than we could dream about, even if all guns were legal. There is one effective way of fighting against a better-armed opponent, and you guys aren't gonna like this one: terrorism. That's right. If we're gonna defeat the US government in a violent revolution, we can't afford to play by the rules. We'll have to fight dirty. Car bombs, assassinations, you name it. It's the only effective way of fighting against an opponent like the US government.
we would need to use guerrilla warfare, not terrorism. there is a difference.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: Autonomous]
#1899406 - 09/09/03 05:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I couldn't find a rimshot greamlin...
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You assume the majority of the military are mindless assholes that would take up arms against their friends and family members.
While that happened during the civil war, I think in todays society with friends and family scattered all across the country, that's much less likely.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: GazzBut]
#1899424 - 09/09/03 06:01 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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GazzBut said:
Why go backwards?
It's not necessary to go backwards, just a step sideways onto the correct path.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Quote:
silversoul7 said:
I would also like to point out that even if a majority of the population supported a revolution, and we weren't able to achieve it peacefully, then we wouldn't be able to achieve it by conventional warfare either, since the US military has way more firepower than we could dream about, even if all guns were legal. There is one effective way of fighting against a better-armed opponent, and you guys aren't gonna like this one: terrorism. That's right. If we're gonna defeat the US government in a violent revolution, we can't afford to play by the rules. We'll have to fight dirty. Car bombs, assassinations, you name it. It's the only effective way of fighting against an opponent like the US government.
Its very interesting that you posted this, when just yesterday I was working on a short story that dealt with the exact same subject. Really makes you think about things in a different context...
-ShadeGirl
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: MOTH]
#1899678 - 09/09/03 06:46 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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never (at least as far as i know) has a campaign of terrorism been successful in achieving any political goals.
guerrilla warfare, on the other hand, can be very effective.
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infidelGOD
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there was a guy that tried that: Timothy McVeigh
it didn't work out so well for him...
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: infidelGOD]
#1899758 - 09/09/03 07:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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McVeigh's concepts of strategy and tactics were lacking. There are serious questions regarding his actions, what the government knew and what happened to John Doe #2 (a swarthy looking fellow). It would seem to some that McVeigh was involved in a government sting gone bad. Check out some of these stories.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: ]
#1899760 - 09/09/03 07:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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we would need to use guerrilla warfare, not terrorism. there is a difference.
Yes. Terrorism would only hurt any movement.
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Re: When do we revolt? [Re: sirreal]
#1899785 - 09/09/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah you'd only play into their hands. it's easy to dismiss the political motives of anyone who kills innocents.
I hope no one is advocating terrorism here as a legitimate tool of change.
even if I was to support a revolution, I would never support such tactics because
if you have to resort to murdering innocent civilians, you've already lost.
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