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Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts
    #18995449 - 10/18/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, so I was out walking yesterday and I found a patch of lawn with TONS of these little mushrooms growing EVERYWHERE. I inspected specimens from different stages of growth, and took home some samples to ID. I'm afraid it's been difficult to get a proper spore print since these little guys are so small. I don't have the equipment, but the spores are grey/purple/black in color, which (I've noticed) are indicative of panaeolus species that look similar.

Pileus: 3-5cm in diameter, conical to campanulate, to convex. Flesh is yellowish-brown, almost tan, with brown bruising on the knob, and a dark brown-black  ring around the margin of the mature specimens. Smooth, not viscid, slightly pedaled and torn when dry. Bruising blue heavily where handled. Mature specimens turn dark bluish-grey when dry, from the knob to the ring around the pileus.

Gills: Dark brown, but gills become black with age stains, with a white strip along the edge of the margin. Spores are dark in color, nearly black. The gills are close together, attachment is adnate. It is difficult to remove the stipe without causing gills to fragment.

Stipe: Very thin, hollow and fibrous, about 2 mm in diameter. Stipe is brownish-red or tan in color with white hair-like structures covering more mature specimens. Bruises dark brown or blue heavily where handled, darkening moreso near the base.

I found these specimens on a well-kept lawn in the city that had been topped and over-seeded this season, and it was likely on a night-watering schedule, which encouraged fungal growth. I'm sorry for the poor picture quality (and for me being in the shot), I hope some of you will know if they are cincts or not just from experience. My field guide didn't list any look-alikes that were anything like what I found. So far my hunch is that these are Panaeolus cinctulus or some other Panaeolus species, since they literally grew like a weed. I'd like to take pictures of the spot I found.





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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome] * 1
    #18995451 - 10/18/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Panaeolus foenisecii.

Now put a shirt on.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: canid]
    #18995470 - 10/18/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yaay! Thanks, buddy. Now I'm gonna put a shirt on and work on drying these babies out. :africaface:


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995479 - 10/18/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

why?


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: canid]
    #18995484 - 10/18/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been drying/saving all specimens, this is more of a hobby for me anyhow. XD


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995485 - 10/18/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The caps do not look like they are expanding like Panaeolus foenisecii.

Are they really bruising blue?

If so, consider Copelandia bispora and please save a dried collection for scientific study. 

How many spores per basidia?  Are the spores smooth or minutely roughened?

Jet black spore print, correct?

Can you give an approximate location, like which county they were found in?


Can you take some pics that show the blue bruising?


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995488 - 10/18/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool. So long as you know that dispite the mistakes in old guides, they are not psychoactive.

I beleive they tested weakly positive once, in an old test with poor selectivity, or that a misidentification or mislabeling caused P. cinctulus or a similar species to be tested.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18995496 - 10/18/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's reassuring Alan. Perhaps this will be an interesting find afterall.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995501 - 10/18/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, Alan, I was about to say something about them having a black spore print. They look similar to P. bispora, but more like P. cinct or cambodg.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995508 - 10/18/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No close inspection of the spores, Alan. No microscopy equipment. I'll take a print right now from a fresh specimen and get back to you on that. That's why I'm drying and saving the specimens for experimentation. I live in the central valley of California where it's hot and dry, but people here sometimes water at night to prevent burning their grass, and this in turn creates awesome conditions for fungal growth.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995511 - 10/18/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Are they really turning blue?


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18995522 - 10/18/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Alan, they turn greyish/greenish/bluish with age. ALMOST look like P. olivaceous, but only when mature.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18995541 - 10/18/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I missed the blueing in the cap description. Sorry.

Panaeolus olivaceus a possibility?


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: canid]
    #18995570 - 10/18/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think so canid. These babies are tannish-brown starting out, and get dark like olives later on. The dark color starts from the ring around the margin on the pileus, and the knob on top is also darker, but not so much. Bisporus is a more likely candidate, like Alan said. The darkening turns the flesh of the cap olivaceous-blue, then greyish-blackish as it gets darker.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18995586 - 10/18/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The key features which I'm curious about are the small white edge of the margin under the gills; the dark ring around the bottom edge of the pileus; the dark knob on top; the olivaceous-black gills; black spores; and the stipe, which is very thin and frail, but difficult to remove from the cap except in immature specimens. Mature specimens are dried with a very noticeable black ring around the edge of the margin. They taste just like any actives I've ever eaten.


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    #18995693 - 10/18/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So you guys think these are actives, regardless? The spore print I took on a paper towel is black. I would post a pic but my camera won't get any detail. :/


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    #18995700 - 10/18/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

black spored agaric bruising blue can only be an active Panaeolus so far as the world knows.

Their being Pans was already clear in any event. If they're bluing then they're an active one.

I have to confess, I want to go out and look for these now. I found Panaeolus olivaceus years ago, but never found them since that year from that location. P. bisporus would be an interesting find to me.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: canid]
    #18995714 - 10/18/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeahhh!!! I'll post a link to a report if there's any to be had, I'm confident enough to consume. Ate a few earlier, no tummyache, I did feel threshold effects coming on but nothing too tremendous.


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Re: Help! I need to ID what I believe might be cincts [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18996470 - 10/18/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I uploaded a few more sample pics.

Here you can distinctly see the dark ring. There is a slight blue bruising on the cap as well, but this isn't clearly visible due to the poor resolution.


In this picture, the dark ring is very visible, as well as the dark tan nipple.


This photo distinctly shows the black gills and white line around the margin.

These mushrooms were found in the same patch as the yellow-nipple mushrooms with brown rings, but I realize now that the gills are a different color, and that there are (in fact) THREE distinctly-different types of mushrooms in the patch, including some kind of little brown mushroom with a pale ring around the margin which I did not sample. Either that, or the life cycle of the mushroom is varied, so when sorting these out I selected ONLY mushrooms with a distinct black ring and a white line below the edge of the margin, which (I knew) were reminiscent of P. cinctulus and P. olivaceous. I believe these are the latter. Thanks for your help, but out of curiosity, does anyone have any discrepancies with my ID?


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    #18996520 - 10/18/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you really not have access to another camera?


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