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Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps
    #18995393 - 10/18/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Planning on putting these in a pasta sauce. I've been eating those white ones for months, thinking they were oysters, but apparently they are Angel Wings. Anyways, they are very tasty, and I'm not suffering any ill effects, but I should probably get a proper ID anyways.

I found this on wiki, which gave me pause:
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In the fall of 2004, thirteen deaths were associated with consumption of Pleurocybella porrigens or "angel's wings."[21] These mushrooms are generally considered edible. All the victims died of an acute brain disorder, and all had pre-existing kidney disease. The exact cause of the toxicity was not known at this time and the deaths cannot be definitively attributed to mushroom consumption.




I can't believe I found Wine Caps in October. Also, there's a little ovoid pin. I should throw it in the sauce too :lol:



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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18995406 - 10/18/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah; it's my understanding both that these victims were elderly and ill, and that they had been eating them on a subsistence basis.

Still not sure I'd chow down on them though.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: canid]
    #18995415 - 10/18/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it could be the type of wood they were growing from, as well. These things pop up from the same pile of logs everytime it rains.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18995430 - 10/18/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But it couldn't be the type of wood alone. The selectivity of the victims rules that out.

At any rate, I haven't heard a compelling rationale or mechanism proposed for such a theory. I don't buy the cyanide hypothesis either.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: canid]
    #18995458 - 10/18/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But it couldn't be the type of wood alone. The selectivity of the victims rules that out.

At any rate, I haven't heard a compelling rationale or mechanism proposed for such a theory. I don't buy the cyanide hypothesis either.




Well, it could be an example of bad epidemiology, since these people certainly shared other things as well. A brain disorder? How did they pin that on mushrooms? And an acute brain disorder blamed on mushrooms they've been eating for a long period of time?

If I had to guess (talk about bad epidemiology :lol:) I would bet the moment investigators heard "wild mushrooms" they decided that must have been the cause.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18995478 - 10/18/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is my understanding that they were consuming them in far larger quantities than the infrequent eating which had previously been usual.

And you pin a brain disorder on a mushroom very easily when every person to get it has been eating large amounts of that mushroom and fail to find other correlating exposures which are new or have changed.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18995567 - 10/18/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What makes you say Angel's Wings and not Pleurotus? Look like oysters to me.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: Ran-D]
    #18995584 - 10/18/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What makes you say Angel's Wings and not Pleurotus? Look like oysters to me.




Because they look like this when mature (not my picture)


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18995809 - 10/18/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15729876

It is implicated quite strongly given the timing, but it seems very specific to the pre-existing medical condition.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: Joie]
    #18996419 - 10/18/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, it's going into my sauce. Encephalopathy be damned.

And for dessert?



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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18996489 - 10/18/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is an article on angel wings toxicity hope it helps.:smile:

http://namyco.org/publications/mcilvainea/v20/pleurocybella_toxin.html


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #18996500 - 10/18/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting article. Too late, though... The sauce is simmering. :lol:


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18996527 - 10/18/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Interesting article. Too late, though... The sauce is simmering. :lol:




LMAO. I think your cool dude. Most references say this was considered a freak situation. Was curious because I ran into them for the first time the other day on my property and thought they where an oyster (pleurotus) species till I seen your post.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #18996536 - 10/18/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I bet there are a lot of people who think these are oysters. They seem to be a lot more common.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18996562 - 10/18/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I personally thought they were beautiful and smelled WONDERFUL and being bigger than the oysterette they may have some commercial value so I was gonna go back and get some to try.....tell me what you think about taste.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: koods]
    #18996573 - 10/18/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah; I just looked at that picture. I'm not convinced they are Pleurocybella.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: canid]
    #18996581 - 10/18/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Look like oysters to me too.


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Re: Dinner? Angel Wings and Wine Caps [Re: canid]
    #18996602 - 10/18/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The one on my property looked just like that....too small for an oyster and too big for an oysterette. Also whiter than a typical white pleurotus. Ill get pictures when I go out to the property this weekend and post them here in this thread. Although now that I'm looking at your pics they seem thicker than the ones on my property. These were more fragile looking.


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