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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18980947 - 10/15/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay man
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18980999 - 10/15/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Go back to the pub. I mean since you're not butthurt or anything.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
#18981110 - 10/15/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not, I just don't see how you read one post of mine and make some stupidcommment and believe that I'm upset by it. I guess you're so bored you do this for entertainment.
Bye, Mr. Philosophy.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18981816 - 10/15/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I don't know if the OP in that thread is a fool, a mad man or brilliant but whatever the case, he is throughoughly missing the point of philosophy and he's playing politican.
Fallacy of politicking . . . Good one
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18981830 - 10/15/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I'm not, I just don't see how you read one post of mine and make some stupidcommment and believe that I'm upset by it. I guess you're so bored you do this for entertainment.
Bye, Mr. Philosophy.
Bye Mr Butthurt.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
#18982770 - 10/15/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy shit, 26 posts a day for nearly ten years and ignored by 47 people. Who would have thought that with your kind attitude? Get a life. Never ha a problem with anybody on the shroomery before.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18982943 - 10/15/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
#18984409 - 10/16/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Holy shit, 26 posts a day for nearly ten years and ignored by 47 people. Who would have thought that with your kind attitude? Get a life. Never ha a problem with anybody on the shroomery before.
Yeah he instigates but hes a good guy and logical probably going to piss me off some day but whateves .
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Beside the Garden said:
Yeah he instigates but hes a good guy and logical probably going to piss me off some day but whateves .
Woah, now that was completely random, lol.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18984712 - 10/16/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I meant Spinoza's rhetorical style, he'd rattle off a bunch of propositions which he believed were self evidently true to make his case, like:
Everything which exists, exists either in itself or in something else.
That which cannot be conceived through anything else must be conceived through itself.
From a given definite cause an effect necessarily follows; and, on the other hand, if no definite cause be granted, it is impossible that an effect can follow.
The knowledge of an effect depends on and involves the knowledge of a cause.
Things which have nothing in common cannot be understood, the one by means of the other; the conception of one does not involve the conception of the other.
A true idea must correspond with its ideate or object.
If a thing can be conceived as non-existing its essence does not involve existence.
I don't think Spinoza had enough to work with, and I honestly don't see the problem with stating a priori and let others try to see the self-evidence or not, for it is something only that person can do and trying to do it for them defeats the purpose. It is very similar to the way Buddhist use Koans, a puzzle to entice the mind along a specific train of thought if it chooses to peer into the rabbit hole.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: teknix]
#18984742 - 10/16/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: To own requires an object to be owned and an owner of that object.
In nature one object doesn't own another object, therefore ownership is not natural.
Atoms do not own one another, and if you think to own anything you are not a part of nature, but an idea that you made up to separate from nature.
Nature does not have an owner in reality, ownership can only be in a dualistic theory.
Therefore if you think you are something separate to own parts of nature that owner cannot be nature for nature could not own itself.
Everything we create is not natural, just because we are created naturally. (usually)
I don't think you have much to work with either. It's all symbol hypnosis that has no referent to anything real.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18984756 - 10/16/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ownership is a symbol without a referent, I agree, but where do you get the hypnosis from?
(It is amusing that you feign disagreement in your agreement, I wonder what purpose that serves?)
Edited by teknix (10/16/13 03:52 AM)
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: teknix] 1
#18990104 - 10/17/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: Ownership is a symbol without a referent,
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Definition of referent: ref·er·ent ˈref(ə)rənt/ noun noun: referent; plural noun: referents 1. the thing that a word or phrase denotes or stands for.
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Definition of ownership: own·er·ship ˈōnərˌSHip/ noun noun: ownership; plural noun: ownerships
1. the act, state, or right of possessing something.
What were you saying again?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: rsbattle]
#18990495 - 10/17/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I withdrew from that thread every early, but checked in periodically.
Talking with that kid (the OP) reminds me of playing "Whack-a-Mole." Or more to the point, trying to have a discussion with the old program, Eliza.
He's incapable of admitting that he's wrong, or that the other person even has a point.
I don't think he's so much dishonest as he is insane and in serious need of help.
But either way, I put him on ignore yesterday. I hated doing that, he is the first, an hopefully, the last I've had to do that with.
I've been on the 'net dealing with trolls for 20 years; the only one I've run into as bad or worse than the OP was a kid in Maryland on the Anarchy list-serve in '93, who has gone on to be a major PITA for the white supremacists.
Poetic justice, how sweet it is! I won't use his name in the open, because, like the OP, he's desperate for recognition and cares not if it's good or bad, just as long as his name appears.
This kid isn't that evil, but he is seriously mentally unhinged.
Mod edit: No personalism in PS&P.
Edited by tymoteusz3 (10/18/13 09:54 AM)
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Rool Kat]
#18990533 - 10/17/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Rool Kat]
#18991795 - 10/17/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rool Kat said: He's incapable of admitting that he's wrong, or that the other person even has a point.
I don't think he's so much dishonest as he is insane and in serious need of help. ... This kid isn't that evil, but he is seriously mentally unhinged.
This kind of crap is against the forum rules for good reason. Not only do I completely disagree with your assessment of his personal nature, but I find your motives for posting this questionable. What was your intention in the way you've formulated these words? What were you setting out to accomplish, and what does that say about your personal nature?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: fireworks_god]
#18991917 - 10/17/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tis true, Totally against forum rules.
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Edited by Icelander (10/17/13 05:43 PM)
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Rool Kat]
#18994738 - 10/18/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rool Kat said: I withdrew from that thread every early, but checked in periodically.
Talking with that kid (the OP) reminds me of playing "Whack-a-Mole." Or more to the point, trying to have a discussion with the old program, Eliza.
He's incapable of admitting that he's wrong, or that the other person even has a point.
I don't think he's so much dishonest as he is insane and in serious need of help.
But either way, I put him on ignore yesterday. I hated doing that, he is the first, an hopefully, the last I've had to do that with.
I've been on the 'net dealing with trolls for 20 years; the only one I've run into as bad or worse than the OP was a kid in Maryland on the Anarchy list-serve in '93, who has gone on to be a major PITA for the white supremacists.
Poetic justice, how sweet it is! I won't use his name in the open, because, like the OP, he's desperate for recognition and cares not if it's good or bad, just as long as his name appears.
This kid isn't that evil, but he is seriously mentally unhinged.
Leave the personalisms out of PS&P - attack the idea not the poster. Whether Icelander is insane or not doesn't have any bearing on his argument. You have been around PS&P long enough to know this..
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#18994963 - 10/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought he was referring to Tek, same idea anyways.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#18995013 - 10/18/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tymoteusz3 said:
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Rool Kat said: I withdrew from that thread every early, but checked in periodically.
Talking with that kid (the OP) reminds me of playing "Whack-a-Mole." Or more to the point, trying to have a discussion with the old program, Eliza.
He's incapable of admitting that he's wrong, or that the other person even has a point.
I don't think he's so much dishonest as he is insane and in serious need of help.
But either way, I put him on ignore yesterday. I hated doing that, he is the first, an hopefully, the last I've had to do that with.
I've been on the 'net dealing with trolls for 20 years; the only one I've run into as bad or worse than the OP was a kid in Maryland on the Anarchy list-serve in '93, who has gone on to be a major PITA for the white supremacists.
Poetic justice, how sweet it is! I won't use his name in the open, because, like the OP, he's desperate for recognition and cares not if it's good or bad, just as long as his name appears.
This kid isn't that evil, but he is seriously mentally unhinged.
Leave the personalisms out of PS&P - attack the idea not the poster. Whether Icelander is insane or not doesn't have any bearing on his argument. You have been around PS&P long enough to know this..
Hey he wasn't talking about me. You're mean.
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