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huxley_hound
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7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again?
#18993242 - 10/17/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is a BRF cake in my FC, dunked for 24 hours in cool but non-refrigerated water. Rolled in verm afterwards. It's been in one of my FCs (sealed tub, 12 hours 6500k light, fan 8x daily, mist walls with 3% h202 3xdaily) for 7 days now. No fruit and I am beginning to have concerns about the dryness of the cake. Room temperature is 75% and humidity is 99%. Minimal amount of mycelium crystals on 2 or 3 isolated spots.
Would dunking and rolling again, maybe for only 12 hours or so, be a ridiculous response? Should I continue waiting this out? The strain is either amazonia or penis envy, and I understand the latter to sometimes take quite a while to pin.
I can't help but wonder if I birthed a jar that was not fully consolidated, but the cake certainly looked to be 100%, and the minimal amount of mycelium growth in the chamber would suggest I am ok, it seems.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#18993269 - 10/17/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wait it out
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#18993277 - 10/17/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep up what your doing for another week and you should be rewarded with some pins
if you birthed early, consolidation will have to occur before you see any fruits
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huxley_hound
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: Rafiikii]
#18993327 - 10/17/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I think I will wait. Patience.
Thanks folks
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#18993518 - 10/17/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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None of the hydrogen peroxide is sprayed on the cakes, right? H2O2 can damage mycelium and take time to recover if sprayed with hydrogen peroxide. I wouldn't use it unless cobweb or other contamination is seen.
Either way, like they said, wait it out... My cakes are exploding right now, and they were in the fruiting chamber for over 12 days before any pinning.
Patience... it will pay off!
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: WolfieNuke]
#18993585 - 10/17/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You said you mist the walls with h202. Do you mist the cakes with regular water?
Evaporation is a pinning trigger. The tub is completely sealed you say? Sounds like there isn't a lot of fresh air coming in.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, evaporation off the substrate and fresh air exchange.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#18994015 - 10/18/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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h2o2 stuns the mycelium so no wonder why you don't see any results. Who told you to spray peroxide in your chamber unless you have cobweb?
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: spacechildo]
#18994050 - 10/18/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need to forget about misting with h2o2. Just mist the cakes and the perlite directly with water then fan the chamber. Repeat once that misting has evaporated.
You said you have a sealed tub? Build a proper sgfc for best results
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: Stromrider]
#19003456 - 10/20/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the responses, everyone.
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WolfieNuke said: None of the hydrogen peroxide is sprayed on the cakes, right?
Correct.
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elasticaltiger said:Do you mist the cakes with regular water?
Yes.
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spacechildo said: h2o2 stuns the mycelium so no wonder why you don't see any results. Who told you to spray peroxide in your chamber unless you have cobweb?
This is water diluted with 2-3% h2o2 by volume. But, the h2o2, straight out of the brown bottle, is already 3% concentrate. If we do the math, we see that the overall h2o2 content in this water with which I am misting walls and perlite is extremely, extremely low (.00009 h202 content, right?). Now, I am not sure where I read that walls and perlite should be misted with such a solution, but I doubt that this water has enough h2o2 in it to have negative effect. As I note above, I spray cakes with 100% h2o, unless there is cobweb, and this is the only time I use "straight" h2o2 (3% in brown bottle, USA).
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Stromrider said: You need to forget about misting with h2o2. Just mist the cakes and the perlite directly with water then fan the chamber. Repeat once that misting has evaporated.
You said you have a sealed tub? Build a proper sgfc for best results
I am misting with .00009 h2o2. I don't see how this could be the issue. I think that the room is too dry to run an SGFC, and, now that the weather has begun to get colder in the northeast, I think it is getting too cold in the room, too (now dipping below 70). At first the temp was not a problem, but I went with a sealed container because I knew the cold was coming.
Edited by huxley_hound (10/20/13 11:45 AM)
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19003511 - 10/20/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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huxley_hound said: I am misting with .00009 h2o2. I don't see how this could be the issue.
At that dilution, I don't see how it helps either.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: PussyFart]
#19003539 - 10/20/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could be right, but my point is that I don't think the lack of pinning can be attributed to misting walls with water that has .00009 h2o2 content.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19003772 - 10/20/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what does "sealed tub" mean?
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huxley_hound
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: blthirteenre]
#19003793 - 10/20/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a tub with no drilled holes (or larger, polyfill-stuffed holes); FAE is accomplished solely by way of fanning throughout the day. I still make use of 2-3 inches of perlite in the bottom.
It's often held to be inferior to the SGFC but I don't think the current temp. and humidity conditions in the room will permit me to run something with holes. To keep the temp. of the room in the ideal range, I have to run the heat, and running the heat dries out the air. I could refrain from using the heat, thereby keeping humidity at a more ideal level, but then my temp. range would be way off.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19003858 - 10/20/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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huxley_hound said: It's a tub with no drilled holes (or larger, polyfill-stuffed holes); FAE is accomplished solely by way of fanning throughout the day. I still make use of 2-3 inches of perlite in the bottom.
This sounds like a complete failure.
We do not usually fan for FAE, we fan to promote evaporation of the water we just misted, which is a main pinning trigger.
The chamber should be getting constant FAE at all times.
Secondly perlite in the bottom of a tub with no holes is pointless.
1/4" holes every 2" on all 6 sides in a grid pattern, with 3-5" of moist perlite, raised so that air can pass up thru the holes in the bottom, in a room with no running fans....
It is that simple....it is fully automated....it is self sustaining...(minus a couple misting/fannings per day)...it is tried and true.....it works.
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huxley_hound said: It's often held to be inferior to the SGFC but I don't think the current temp. and humidity conditions in the room will permit me to run something with holes.
Then you obviously do not know how the SGFC works.
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huxley_hound said: To keep the temp. of the room in the ideal range, I have to run the heat, and running the heat dries out the air. I could refrain from using the heat, thereby keeping humidity at a more ideal level, but then my temp. range would be way off.
Keep the heat on and build a proper SGFC bro.
This is my advice, take it or leave it.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: PussyFart]
#19003913 - 10/20/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright thanks
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: PussyFart]
#19003923 - 10/20/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes. i think we have found your problem!
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: blthirteenre]
#19004706 - 10/20/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are the regular temperatures in the room? Cubes are pretty hardy and will supposedly have denser meatier fruits at lower temperatures.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19005731 - 10/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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65-68.
Went ahead and built an sgfc, and added another inch or so of perlite (brought it to 4 inches).
Hopefully pinning is imminent. Still a bit concerned, but we will see what happens.
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19005795 - 10/20/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just FYI, 65 - 68 is just fine mang. If what I hear is true, they will fruit slower but the fruits will be more dense giving you more dry weight. All of the fruits I did in the 80's grew super fast but they were all kinda hollow inside. Really you don't need that room to be any hotter than 'room temperature.' Post pics when they start pinning!
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19005824 - 10/20/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will do. Thanks for the info!
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Re: 7 days no fruit after dunk-roll BRF cake -- dunk again? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19024494 - 10/24/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edit: Under the assumption that the problem is that this cake is still not yet 100% consolidated, I removed it from my SGFC, since it was receiving direct and intense light in the chamber, and that's probably not ideal if I am not at 100%. I've placed it in a small sterilite container on a mound of verm, covered with clear wrap with wholes poked in it for GE. Fingers crossed that this cake pulls through, but I have 25 more on the way!
Update: The SGFC has made no ostensible difference. Something must still be off, right?
Still no developments on this particular cake which has been in for 14 days. Any ideas? How long does one wait before tossing out a cake? I don't see any trich, the SGFC still smells very strongly of "fresh mushrooms"....do I continue waiting? This seems very irregular.


Edited by huxley_hound (10/24/13 10:06 AM)
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