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krypto2000
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Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation?
#18989985 - 10/17/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just wondering if it's technical possible and if so then is it practically feasible? Is it much different than with plants? They isolate the seeds, but all of the offspring of the plants that come from those seeds will have more variation and thus not be the same strain, right? Could we isolate spores the same way we isolate seeds or is it a different process all together?
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18990361 - 10/17/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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possible? I would say yes, in 50 years maybe someone will even do it under incredibly controlled circumstances.
Practical? I hope you have a couple billion dollars and ten years of time and the means to find geneticists willing to work on such a ridiculous project. There are people who are dying of cancer man.
Shroomerites use isolates for a reason. The truth is the randomness of the genetics in spores is kind of a good thing. In that mixture you're going to find desirable, undesirable, and VERY desirable traits. Maybe even unique ones that grow into shapes unseen in typical growth. You should be excited to have so much variation to work with and experiment with.
Just takes time to sort out the ones you want.
EDIT: Shit I totally sounded like an asshole in that. Didn't mean to sound condescending or anything. Just my opinion. Respect yo.
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Edited by elasticaltiger (10/17/13 10:57 AM)
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#18990394 - 10/17/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said:
EDIT: Shit I totally sounded like an asshole in that. Didn't mean to sound condescending or anything. Just my opinion. Respect yo.
it's hard not to with a question that demands such an obvious answer. The mushrooms spend all these millions of years to come up with a way to assure genetic diversity and now you want every spore that a mushroom produces to be identical? Just learn agar technique instead of posting 10 ridiculous questions a week here. Monsanto could probably make you a GMO cube that would make you happy but would you really want that anyway? This is like trying to make asexual sexual reproduction.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18993029 - 10/17/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know how it works, so the difficulting is hard to understand. All I know is that we can do it with plants somehow, so why not with mushrooms? They don't spend billions of dollars isolating seeds do they?
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18993033 - 10/17/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I don't know how it works, so the difficulting is hard to understand. All I know is that we can do it with plants somehow, so why not with mushrooms? They don't spend billions of dollars isolating seeds do they?
Mushrooms are not plants.
Seeds are where it's easy on plants. Agar is where it's easy with fungus.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18993249 - 10/17/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm confused. Do you mean spores that produce an isolate? Or crossing two species like Amazon and B+?
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: mushrume man]
#18993494 - 10/17/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amazon and B+ are both cubensis OP you could probably breed or domesticate much of the variation out of the variety, but to my understanding you will never have a mushroom that produces isolated (identical genetics) spores. There would be no evolutionary advantage to this, natural selection is how species adapt and survive.
Edited by Pastywhyte (10/17/13 10:57 PM)
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18993776 - 10/18/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry species was wrong word, just trying to understand the OP
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: mushrume man]
#18993782 - 10/18/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A single strain by sporulation? As in every mating of two spores from that cap would produce a single isolate that was consistent across every combination of spores that were produced?
No.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18993826 - 10/18/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: A single strain by sporulation? As in every mating of two spores from that cap would produce a single isolate that was consistent across every combination of spores that were produced?
No.
Though this couldn't be 'bred' as the OP said. Couldn't it be possible with a shitload of genetic engineering and research? As I said. A billion dollars, 10 years and a team of genetic engineers willing to work on such a project.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#18993836 - 10/18/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess we should ask the geneticists
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18994337 - 10/18/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How is it different than plants? Are plants often not a single strain either and what we call strains or varieties are actually just a grouping of like traits?
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18994354 - 10/18/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. Plants are as different from fungi as you are from plants. The only similarities are they both grow out of the dirt.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: Neuroplay]
#18994363 - 10/18/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno, do you know how to isolate a plant so all of the seeds it reproduces are genetically identical? I'd imagine at the very least you'd have to polinate everything manually to begin with and even then the seeds will not be identical. It seems just as difficult to me as getting a mushroom to produce idtentical spores or humans to produce identical sperm and eggs. I believe you guys that it's difficult, maybe impossible, but based on what has and has not been said I would guess that no one who's commented truly understands how difficult it is to do with plants either.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18994377 - 10/18/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never said it was easy to do with plants. I am implying OP thinks mushrooms are like plants, which they are not. On a seperate note, you cannot do this. Not with plants or humans or elephants, or mushrooms, or DMT elves from another planet.
That would reduce genetic variation and the species would die out.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18994379 - 10/18/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation
No. It's impossible to breed billions of spores as identical 'twins',and even if you could they couldn't reproduce because they'd all be the same mating type.
If you want to keep a stellar strain, use master culture slants. You can then grow the exact strain for decades or more. RR
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: Neuroplay]
#18994385 - 10/18/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nuclear explosives cannot be built. It would hurt genetic variation and the human species would die out.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18994400 - 10/18/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Nuclear explosives cannot be built. It would hurt genetic variation and the human species would die out.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18994428 - 10/18/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just mocking Neuro's reasoning. Whether it's advantageous to the organisms reproduction does not matter, maybe if I'd asked if it were possible to randomly occur in nature, but when humans are selectively breeding and making genetic modifications whether the goal helps or hurts the organism has no impact on the end result. What he said could be true, but he hasn't stated why. I am assuming at this point that it is technically possible, though almost entirely impractical, perhaps even with a huge lab and nearly unlimited resources.
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Re: Is it possible to breed a mushroom that reproduces a single strain by sporulation? [Re: krypto2000]
#18994770 - 10/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I honestly thing krypto is trolling off of these stupid questions and the responses he can get, and testing his ability to keep it going even after a good "shut down" reply. Look up the last 10 topics he has started...
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