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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18992764 - 10/17/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MystiqueMushroom said: So all heroin users are junkies? 
Nope but I won't invest emotions to someone that uses cause odds are they will become a junkie and I'm not a gambling man.
Don't buy into the propaganda. If heroin isn't your drug of choice, it's not hard at all to avoid addiction. For some people alcohol is far more addicting than heroin. Depends on your brain chemistry. If you try it for the first time and feel as though it "solves all your problems" then yeah I'd say avoid it.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993010 - 10/17/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wish Primus was playing near me instead of those phish fucktards. You should go, and I think its going to sell out quicker than you think unless the venue is super small. Unless Primus isn't as popular out west as he is on the East Coast.
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Yeah well go ahead and tell me that its propaganda that I have lost 15 friends because of heroin in the last three years.
Get your head out ass and realize the drug of your choice has a high rate of deadly overdoses. That is fact and not propaganda.
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MystiqueMushroom said: So all heroin users are junkies? 
Nope but I won't invest emotions to someone that uses cause odds are they will become a junkie and I'm not a gambling man.
I have a bottle of norcos right now that I should be taking more of but I have such a hate for opiates that the only time I take them is when the pain gets so bad I can't move. Having your brain stem being pushed into your brain is painful as fuck. I just hope it doesn't last to much longer. The first time it happened it took 38 days until I was able to live independently again.
Gotcha So why is your brain stem pushing into your brain?
Im going through my second round of viral meningitis in my life. Had before like 10 years ago. It causes the a huge increase in spinal fluid and the pressure pushes your brain stem into your brain. Last time it lasted 38 days. I'm on day 8 right now and is starting to feel better so I'm hopping I'm on the down swing of the ordeal
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993265 - 10/17/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm so sorry to hear you are going through this again. Do you have friend and stuff up there to help you out while you're illin? Are you able to work still and stuff?
And yeah, some of us longtime members have seen the effects that heroin can have. Call it propaganda if you will, but I've seen a fair number in real life as well as here on the shroomery. In a certain sense I'm glad for them that they finally achieved the oblivion they sought.
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I can only speak from personal experience. 10 years and no problems. Benzos and alcohol on the other hand, those have been problems.
Can't argue against stupidity though, if someone doesn't know how to play it safe they should never have used the drug in the first place.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993360 - 10/17/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah but every user starts out thinking they can handle it. How are they supposed to know whether they can or not?
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It's a risk like anything else. Like I said though, if the drug feels like it solves all of your problems, I would avoid it.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993393 - 10/17/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm mostly arguing against the "if you use heroin i won't hang with you" attitude. It's shallow IMO. There are genuine folks who can manage their shit. Why should they be ignored because of some pompous beliefs.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993433 - 10/17/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because I have been hurt so bad so many times by the drug killing my loved ones. So my solution is not to love people that put themselves in that situation.
Do you hang out and love people that do the number one Thu g you hate the most in the world? Probably not. Why should I feel bad for not wanting to hang out with or associate with people that do the number one tho g I hate in this world the most?
You sound mighty pompous for not wanting me to be able choose what kind of people I choose to have in my life or not.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993441 - 10/17/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well you ain't gots to worry about me, broseph. I'm all on the straight and narrow when it comes to that kinda stuff. I enjoy life and stuff. Not really looking to escape from it. It's a pretty fun ride really.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993460 - 10/17/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey fee-
Gov't Mule is playing in Okland on Halloween with Robby Krieger of The Doors
they always do a tribute show on Halloween. i was at the first one they did in St. Paul with Audley Freed.
if you can make it, i would highly recommend it. it will be a two sets, 3+ hours, most likely 2nd set being The Doors tribute.
good times.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993472 - 10/17/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I try to love people unconditionally, death is natural, it happens to everyone, you are lucky IMO to have been given those life lessons. Your choice though man, no hard feelings.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993523 - 10/17/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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blankk said: I'm mostly arguing against the "if you use heroin i won't hang with you" attitude. It's shallow IMO. There are genuine folks who can manage their shit. Why should they be ignored because of some pompous beliefs.
Who the fuck wants to hang out with a dope fiend? They only want to do more opiates, and they generally have a pretty shitty outlook on life. They are also generally not trust worthy, especially if they are dope sick. I've met a few straight dope fiends, but they were a lot more straight when they were off of it. I've been a junkie, and I've had a lot of junkie friends. I don't want anything to do with anyone using that shit, I don't want to go back to that place ever again.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fapjack]
#18993552 - 10/17/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who said anything about wanting to hang with a fiend? Fee originally said that if nicechrisman did any heroin he'd not hang out with him anymore.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993574 - 10/17/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've always seen most chippers as future dope fiends.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fapjack]
#18993593 - 10/17/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If someone did dope once or twice I wouldn't write them off. But usually when someone does dope only a handful of times you don't know about and its not a problem. When people know about your heroin use its usually because your doing it frequently enough that people notice. And when its at that point I don't want to be around or associate with them.
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What does that mean?
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fee]
#18993611 - 10/17/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think almost anyone that uses heroin long enough recreationally (without a habit) will eventually get strung out. I've known a few people that didn't catch habits, but they didn't really use opiates long and didn't like them either. I know a lot more people that eventually got addicted to it. I think to use heroin recreationally in the first place is a bad idea considering how fucked up the majority of its users are.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fapjack]
#18993617 - 10/17/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You probably haven't known that many chippers. Anyway, I'd drop the friend once they started becoming fiendish. Once they begin losing respect and integrity.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: Hobozen]
#18993626 - 10/17/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was addicted to heroin/methadone for 6-7 years. Good judgement, self control, and opiates generally don't go together. All opiate addicts start out chipping, the longer you do it the more likely you will get addicted.
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Re: Hey Nicechrisman [Re: fapjack]
#18993631 - 10/17/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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fapjack said: I think almost anyone that uses heroin long enough recreationally (without a habit) will eventually get strung out.
Why do you say that? Heroin is said to be one of the if not the safest drugs on the body/organs. If you can limit yourself to once a month, I don't see it being any worse than drinking alcohol, say once a week. It's a pretty boring drug IME. I get more pleasure from taking a camping trip out in the forest. It's just a nice change of mind once in a while. I like to think the Iboga has given me a better grip over addiction though.
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