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So I'm a senior and....
    #18991649 - 10/17/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't know what the fuck to do. I want to major in some type of forestry major but it doesn't seem like there is that high of a demand and the pay is not the best. Idk what to pick.... Overall job happyness or the satisfaction of being a money maker. I have the potential to do alot (life scout, well rounded with clubs and activities, 1780 on first time SAT, 3.9-4.0 GPA, lots of work experience)

If I could be a forest ranger and maintain a forest for the rest of my life... I would be close to happy. A family is also something I want. And I want to be able to support my kids. I don't think a average salary of 36k to 72k will be enough in these hard times....

Any shroomerites further down the road from me have any wise advice that I could happily receive?
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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: Roflspammer]
    #18991675 - 10/17/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Go for the forestry job. A median wage of 25 an hour isnt bad. Plus a wife and you're probably good for a family. Don't turn work into a grind, you'll hate your wife and eventually your family.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: King Klick]
    #18991691 - 10/17/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do what makes you happy, if you do anything else you are just silly.  I straight to a 4 year university and just jumped into a major (chemistry).  I wish I would have spent a year or two at either a community college or something figuring out what I really want to do with my days instead of seeing what can make a solid amount of money. 

You only have one life (or so they say), why would you want to spend it doing something you don't enjoy for 8 hours a day.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: dodgem]
    #18991899 - 10/17/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So, honestly,what jobs do you think will pay above 36-72k with a four year degree?  IMO, you get the degree to get a position and in the door, then make opportunities from there.

My advice though, would be to keep an eye on your college debt.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: badchad]
    #18992137 - 10/17/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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badchad said:
So, honestly,what jobs do you think will pay above 36-72k with a four year degree?  IMO, you get the degree to get a position and in the door, then make opportunities from there.

My advice though, would be to keep an eye on your college debt.



Entry level you mean?  Definitely very few.  But without a degree you'll likely never make more than that.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18992205 - 10/17/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:

Entry level you mean?  Definitely very few.  But without a degree you'll likely never make more than that.




Even mid career, maybe 10 years out of school 72k might be pushing it with a degree.  Just guessing though.

EDIT: 10 years out, most computer science people probably make 72 or more.  "Business" seems really broad, but I'd guess I know lots of people in middle management not making 72.  Teachers are often lower, etc....


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: badchad]
    #18992258 - 10/17/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My mom will pay for 2 years of community college and 1 year of university. If I go to a university I will be paying for everything except the 1st year.

My mother makes 80k... She has been telling me that 40k is impossible to live off of... I just want a respectable life and to be happy with a loving family, kids that will be happy and a dog. I have no interests in life (right now at least) other than nature and drugs. I know that nature has always been a love of mine since I was a child. I just feel like a whole person when I'm outside away from society. I would like to build my life around that. I just don't want to be stuck later down the road with a useless degree and no money/family.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: Roflspammer]
    #18992296 - 10/17/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Go for happiness man. Trust me on this. I've seen people that thought they were making a tough, smart life decision by going into something that they hated just because it would make them a lot of money. They always end up regretting it and developing severe problems in their personal life as a result.

Go for whatever your passion is. I majored in Philosophy and currently I have a low-paying job (though it's definitely not forever), and I wouldn't change a thing.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: badchad]
    #18993408 - 10/17/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:

Entry level you mean?  Definitely very few.  But without a degree you'll likely never make more than that.




Even mid career, maybe 10 years out of school 72k might be pushing it with a degree.  Just guessing though.

EDIT: 10 years out, most computer science people probably make 72 or more.  "Business" seems really broad, but I'd guess I know lots of people in middle management not making 72.  Teachers are often lower, etc....



Computer science entry level is 60-90k.  If you make aren't make 80k+ 5 years in you're not very good.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18993507 - 10/17/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't help ya here, bud, sorry.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18993551 - 10/17/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

good question, I enjoy a bunch of hobbys, none of them get me out of getting a shit job

and I have a ba degree so it hurts inside making minimum wage

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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: bearlion]
    #18993701 - 10/17/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You realize it's possible to make lots of money and be happy, too, right?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  I'm about to finish my MBA, for what it's worth, and have spent a lot of time there with people that made better decisions than I did, so I've had some time to redlect on this.  It sounds like you're a lot like me - good grades, well-rounded extra-curriculars, crushed the SAT.  With those credentials, you have a lot of options if you keep applying yourself and don't limit yourself to what you think you can do or what you know right now or whatever baggage you're saddled with from your parents, upbringing, hometown expectations, or whatever.

Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was graduating high school: go to the best four-year university you can.  If you can't afford it, still go (you'll figure out a way).  Major in finance or economics.  Minor in Mandarin or Cantonese.  Get good internships during the summer in New York with the big banks.  In your senior year, target the recruiters from the investment banks, land a job, and move to Manhattan.  Gut it out in their analyst program for a few years and see what happens.  You might move up or to another bank, and it'll happen fast.  It'll be hard work but it will be so worth it.  You'll probably start at around $80k plus bonus and be over $200k plus bonus within a few years (keep in mind that the bonus schedules can typically be 100% to 120% of base salary). 

It might not be managing a forest, but it'll still be fun and definitely an adventure.  If you can make it for five years in that environment, one of two things will happen: a) you'll realize that you like it, and you'll keep doing it.  The sky is the limit on your earning potential.  B) you can quit and do anything in the world.  That is the #1 best resume to have, and you can pretty much pick up and move, and anyone in the world will hire you.  Plus, you'll be so far ahead of the curve financially and experience-wise that its not even fair.  Hang in for a few years and you'll be able to buy your own forest to manage.  Seriously.

Don't mean to project my own hopes, dreams, and regrets on you, but from what I've seen while working on my MBA, this is the typical career path of people that make lots of money and create virtually unlimited options for themselves.  You have to be really good - not everyone can cut it in that environment - but that SAT score is impressive and tells me that you have what it takes. 

Keep in mind - life is a marathon, not a sprint.  You can always go to forestry later. But it will be extremely difficult to go from forestry to something more gainful.  Start somewhere that creates options instead of eliminating them.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: spiny]
    #18993716 - 10/18/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck it. Become a crust punk train hopper. Do whatever drugs pass through your hands. I learned a bit of sage wisdom from a man drinking a forty across the street from an AA meeting, "When they pass you that forty around the trashcan fire, you don't just take a little sip." He then started rambling about, "Punk these days..." and tried to teach us how to do the scissors. We did not learn how to do the scissors that day.

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You realize it's possible to make lots of money and be happy, too, right?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  I'm about to finish my MBA, for what it's worth, and have spent a lot of time there with people that made better decisions than I did, so I've had some time to redlect on this.  It sounds like you're a lot like me - good grades, well-rounded extra-curriculars, crushed the SAT.  With those credentials, you have a lot of options if you keep applying yourself and don't limit yourself to what you think you can do or what you know right now or whatever baggage you're saddled with from your parents, upbringing, hometown expectations, or whatever.

Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was graduating high school: go to the best four-year university you can.  If you can't afford it, still go (you'll figure out a way).  Major in finance or economics.  Minor in Mandarin or Cantonese.  Get good internships during the summer in New York with the big banks.  In your senior year, target the recruiters from the investment banks, land a job, and move to Manhattan.  Gut it out in their analyst program for a few years and see what happens.  You might move up or to another bank, and it'll happen fast.  It'll be hard work but it will be so worth it.  You'll probably start at around $80k plus bonus and be over $200k plus bonus within a few years (keep in mind that the bonus schedules can typically be 100% to 120% of base salary). 

It might not be managing a forest, but it'll still be fun and definitely an adventure.  If you can make it for five years in that environment, one of two things will happen: a) you'll realize that you like it, and you'll keep doing it.  The sky is the limit on your earning potential.  B) you can quit and do anything in the world.  That is the #1 best resume to have, and you can pretty much pick up and move, and anyone in the world will hire you.  Plus, you'll be so far ahead of the curve financially and experience-wise that its not even fair.  Hang in for a few years and you'll be able to buy your own forest to manage.  Seriously.

Don't mean to project my own hopes, dreams, and regrets on you, but from what I've seen while working on my MBA, this is the typical career path of people that make lots of money and create virtually unlimited options for themselves.  You have to be really good - not everyone can cut it in that environment - but that SAT score is impressive and tells me that you have what it takes. 

Keep in mind - life is a marathon, not a sprint.  You can always go to forestry later. But it will be extremely difficult to go from forestry to something more gainful.  Start somewhere that creates options instead of eliminating them.




Stop trying to micromanage his life.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: healing]
    #18993777 - 10/18/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said, not trying to project, just what I wish someone had told me.  The world is full of more possibilities than we can even imagine - I didn't have a clue about this stuff when I was graduating high school.  No one ever told me, wish they did.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: healing]
    #18993788 - 10/18/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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healing said:
Fuck it. Become a crust punk train hopper. Do whatever drugs pass through your hands. I learned a bit of sage wisdom from a man drinking a forty across the street from an AA meeting, "When they pass you that forty around the trashcan fire, you don't just take a little sip." He then started rambling about, "Punk these days..." and tried to teach us how to do the scissors. We did not learn how to do the scissors that day.

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spiny said:
You realize it's possible to make lots of money and be happy, too, right?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  I'm about to finish my MBA, for what it's worth, and have spent a lot of time there with people that made better decisions than I did, so I've had some time to redlect on this.  It sounds like you're a lot like me - good grades, well-rounded extra-curriculars, crushed the SAT.  With those credentials, you have a lot of options if you keep applying yourself and don't limit yourself to what you think you can do or what you know right now or whatever baggage you're saddled with from your parents, upbringing, hometown expectations, or whatever.

Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was graduating high school: go to the best four-year university you can.  If you can't afford it, still go (you'll figure out a way).  Major in finance or economics.  Minor in Mandarin or Cantonese.  Get good internships during the summer in New York with the big banks.  In your senior year, target the recruiters from the investment banks, land a job, and move to Manhattan.  Gut it out in their analyst program for a few years and see what happens.  You might move up or to another bank, and it'll happen fast.  It'll be hard work but it will be so worth it.  You'll probably start at around $80k plus bonus and be over $200k plus bonus within a few years (keep in mind that the bonus schedules can typically be 100% to 120% of base salary). 

It might not be managing a forest, but it'll still be fun and definitely an adventure.  If you can make it for five years in that environment, one of two things will happen: a) you'll realize that you like it, and you'll keep doing it.  The sky is the limit on your earning potential.  B) you can quit and do anything in the world.  That is the #1 best resume to have, and you can pretty much pick up and move, and anyone in the world will hire you.  Plus, you'll be so far ahead of the curve financially and experience-wise that its not even fair.  Hang in for a few years and you'll be able to buy your own forest to manage.  Seriously.

Don't mean to project my own hopes, dreams, and regrets on you, but from what I've seen while working on my MBA, this is the typical career path of people that make lots of money and create virtually unlimited options for themselves.  You have to be really good - not everyone can cut it in that environment - but that SAT score is impressive and tells me that you have what it takes. 

Keep in mind - life is a marathon, not a sprint.  You can always go to forestry later. But it will be extremely difficult to go from forestry to something more gainful.  Start somewhere that creates options instead of eliminating them.




Stop trying to micromanage his life.



How dare someone give suggestions in a thread asking for suggestions.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18993845 - 10/18/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
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healing said:
Fuck it. Become a crust punk train hopper. Do whatever drugs pass through your hands. I learned a bit of sage wisdom from a man drinking a forty across the street from an AA meeting, "When they pass you that forty around the trashcan fire, you don't just take a little sip." He then started rambling about, "Punk these days..." and tried to teach us how to do the scissors. We did not learn how to do the scissors that day.

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spiny said:
You realize it's possible to make lots of money and be happy, too, right?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  I'm about to finish my MBA, for what it's worth, and have spent a lot of time there with people that made better decisions than I did, so I've had some time to redlect on this.  It sounds like you're a lot like me - good grades, well-rounded extra-curriculars, crushed the SAT.  With those credentials, you have a lot of options if you keep applying yourself and don't limit yourself to what you think you can do or what you know right now or whatever baggage you're saddled with from your parents, upbringing, hometown expectations, or whatever.

Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was graduating high school: go to the best four-year university you can.  If you can't afford it, still go (you'll figure out a way).  Major in finance or economics.  Minor in Mandarin or Cantonese.  Get good internships during the summer in New York with the big banks.  In your senior year, target the recruiters from the investment banks, land a job, and move to Manhattan.  Gut it out in their analyst program for a few years and see what happens.  You might move up or to another bank, and it'll happen fast.  It'll be hard work but it will be so worth it.  You'll probably start at around $80k plus bonus and be over $200k plus bonus within a few years (keep in mind that the bonus schedules can typically be 100% to 120% of base salary). 

It might not be managing a forest, but it'll still be fun and definitely an adventure.  If you can make it for five years in that environment, one of two things will happen: a) you'll realize that you like it, and you'll keep doing it.  The sky is the limit on your earning potential.  B) you can quit and do anything in the world.  That is the #1 best resume to have, and you can pretty much pick up and move, and anyone in the world will hire you.  Plus, you'll be so far ahead of the curve financially and experience-wise that its not even fair.  Hang in for a few years and you'll be able to buy your own forest to manage.  Seriously.

Don't mean to project my own hopes, dreams, and regrets on you, but from what I've seen while working on my MBA, this is the typical career path of people that make lots of money and create virtually unlimited options for themselves.  You have to be really good - not everyone can cut it in that environment - but that SAT score is impressive and tells me that you have what it takes. 

Keep in mind - life is a marathon, not a sprint.  You can always go to forestry later. But it will be extremely difficult to go from forestry to something more gainful.  Start somewhere that creates options instead of eliminating them.




Stop trying to micromanage his life.



How dare someone give suggestions in a thread asking for suggestions.




How dare you interpret my comments seriously.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: spiny]
    #18993873 - 10/18/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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spiny said:
You realize it's possible to make lots of money and be happy, too, right?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  I'm about to finish my MBA, for what it's worth, and have spent a lot of time there with people that made better decisions than I did, so I've had some time to redlect on this.  It sounds like you're a lot like me - good grades, well-rounded extra-curriculars, crushed the SAT.  With those credentials, you have a lot of options if you keep applying yourself and don't limit yourself to what you think you can do or what you know right now or whatever baggage you're saddled with from your parents, upbringing, hometown expectations, or whatever.

Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was graduating high school: go to the best four-year university you can.  If you can't afford it, still go (you'll figure out a way).  Major in finance or economics.  Minor in Mandarin or Cantonese.  Get good internships during the summer in New York with the big banks.  In your senior year, target the recruiters from the investment banks, land a job, and move to Manhattan.  Gut it out in their analyst program for a few years and see what happens.  You might move up or to another bank, and it'll happen fast.  It'll be hard work but it will be so worth it.  You'll probably start at around $80k plus bonus and be over $200k plus bonus within a few years (keep in mind that the bonus schedules can typically be 100% to 120% of base salary). 

It might not be managing a forest, but it'll still be fun and definitely an adventure.  If you can make it for five years in that environment, one of two things will happen: a) you'll realize that you like it, and you'll keep doing it.  The sky is the limit on your earning potential.  B) you can quit and do anything in the world.  That is the #1 best resume to have, and you can pretty much pick up and move, and anyone in the world will hire you.  Plus, you'll be so far ahead of the curve financially and experience-wise that its not even fair.  Hang in for a few years and you'll be able to buy your own forest to manage.  Seriously.

Don't mean to project my own hopes, dreams, and regrets on you, but from what I've seen while working on my MBA, this is the typical career path of people that make lots of money and create virtually unlimited options for themselves.  You have to be really good - not everyone can cut it in that environment - but that SAT score is impressive and tells me that you have what it takes. 

Keep in mind - life is a marathon, not a sprint.  You can always go to forestry later. But it will be extremely difficult to go from forestry to something more gainful.  Start somewhere that creates options instead of eliminating them.



Do you realize how much work those jobs are?  We're talking 80-100 hour weeks every week.  I have a couple friends who do it and it's insane.  Giving up every single waking hour of your life is not worth having a bunch of money.


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Re: So I'm a senior and.... [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18993926 - 10/18/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Take it slow and just figure out what you want in your first couple years out of high school.  You have time.  Happiness > Money imo.


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