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oatmeal as a supplement
    #18983596 - 10/15/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was just wondering if anyone has ever tried oatmeal as a supplement in place of various brans?  It seems like almost the same thing and oat meal is cheaper in my parts.


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18984677 - 10/16/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I soaked some old fashioned oats and tossed them into some grain spawn in the bottom of a bag of what was pearl oyster plugs... It colonized!

I was actually about to pressure can some jars of sawdust and oats with tinfoil on top and see if Shiitake would colonize the mix... In a week or two.

Edit: I was reading around and a 20-30% mix of Oats to sawdust has been used successfully by many for Shiitake.


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: loggrower]
    #18985083 - 10/16/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know someone who uses oats for their grain spawn.  SO it will work, its just how does it compare against bran?


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: Aleon]
    #18985291 - 10/16/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You don't want oatmeal, as in the cereal out of the box.  The reason is that it's been toasted and popped to get the flat shape.  It becomes soggy when wet.

Oat bran is OK as a supplement, but if using it to supplement sawdust blocks for shiitake, reduce the amount.  I got a lot more mutants with oat bran than a similar supplementation with rice bran.
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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18986801 - 10/16/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Incorrect... It's not toasted or popped. (Well, mine are not. No sign of toasting.) I get my thick rolled oats from a organic bulk supplier.

Wikipedia > "Rolled oats are traditionally oat groats that have been rolled into flat flakes under heavy rollers and then steamed and lightly toasted. The oat, like the other cereals, has a hard, inedible outer husk that must be removed before the grain can be eaten. After the outer husk (or chaff) has been removed from the still bran-covered oat grains, the remainder is called oat groats."


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: loggrower]
    #18987820 - 10/16/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your Wikipedia post also points out that oatmeal is steamed and toasted.

Bran is much cheaper, so I would have no idea why you'd want to use oatmeal as a supplement.


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: liamtheloser]
    #18988195 - 10/16/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know which part of the country you are at.  But over here we have raw oak meal flakes.  The raw rolled oaks.  I would say it depends on where you are at.  And what they sell there at a cheaper price.  Some are raw while others are toasted. 
The oat meal is good in agar for shiitake myc. but I have not use it with sawdust yet.  One day I will as part of my experiment.  You can always experiment with 10% with the correct moisture to see the results.  Let us know what is the outcome, right.


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
    #18989498 - 10/17/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Meh... I just PC'd some mason jars with Alder Sawdust +20% steamed rolled oats...

55 Minutes at 20PSI kinda liquefied some of the oats and sent some gluey looking stuff straight to the bottom. However, most of the oats are still suspended in the sawdust.

I see the issues with oats now! These jars are going to be a bit rich on the bottom. As for "why oats"... Well, it's just what happens to be in the cabinet. Bulk bins of brown rice, oats, beans... Who keeps bran on hand? Where do you even buy it except online?


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: loggrower]
    #18990023 - 10/17/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I buy it at the grocery store. Last I checked it was around 60 cents a pound


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: liamtheloser]
    #18991150 - 10/17/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you live in the pnw.  I'm in the east.  What is common here isn't always gonna be common there unfortunately.    Thats why when it comes to mushroom cultivation it is stressed to learn what resources you have available and use not only what works but what is most economically viable in your area.  If I was just trying to do this for personal supply it wouldn't be a problem.    I figured oats were not the best thing though.  Was just looking for a cheap solution for the next week as I have spawned 20 shiitake blocks among several other king and black poplar blocks.  Unfortunately I had to buy the bobs red mill and couldn't use as high a supplementaion on the kings as I would have liked.  But I have 50 lbs of wheat bran set to arrive a week from tomorrow :smile:  I do thank everyone for the input though!


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: Aleon]
    #18991507 - 10/17/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I know someone who uses oats for their grain spawn.  SO it will work, its just how does it compare against bran?




Hopefully my question isn't too far away from the O.P.'s, but does oat seed function well as grain spawn?

Example: Coker Oat 227 or Elbon rye seed (winter rye) is available in #50 lb sacks at the feed store for planting wildlife forage crops or nematode pest control in gardens this time of year.

Oat or rye grain seed could work in spawn, right?


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: DRCola]
    #18991634 - 10/17/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yep,  grain spawn can be pretty much any whole grain. I use rye or white winter wheat,  whichever is cheaper at the time. Those are the two I can usually find ND cheapest


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: liamtheloser]
    #18991741 - 10/17/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen alot of people who use the winter rye.  I almost bought a bag myself til i found out the azure standard drop is like 2 miles from my house!  Super cheap and worth looking into if your not too far east.  Check out azurestandard.com and you can use the contact form to find out or look at their drop schedule which is a little confusing but lets you know which states they ship to. But like liam said, there are so many grains you can choose from each with their benefits and prices.


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Re: oatmeal as a supplement [Re: loggrower]
    #18991789 - 10/17/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You don't want oatmeal, as in the cereal out of the box.  The reason is that it's been toasted and popped to get the flat shape.  It becomes soggy when wet.
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Incorrect... It's not toasted or popped. (Well, mine are not. No sign of toasting.) I get my thick rolled oats from a organic bulk supplier.

Wikipedia > "Rolled oats are traditionally oat groats that have been rolled into flat flakes under heavy rollers and then steamed and lightly toasted.




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