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Keiramackenzie
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ID Request
#18990551 - 10/17/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can anyone tell me what these are? I found then at the bottom of my garden growing on a woody substrate, underneath an acorn tree which has no grass on this part of the lawn, just wood branch debris, acorns and some wood much from where they cut the tree back and dudbt get rude if the wood chips.
Im in the south east UK.
The Gills are cream with orangey bits/spores (!)
The stems are about 15cm in length and from 5mm to 15mm diameter. They are the same colour as the cap - a chestnutty brown with cream and red undertones .
Cap: the cap is 6cm to 10 cm, chestnutty brown, lighter creamy toward the edges with a dark margin. Knobbed flat cap.
Spore print color: doing this now. Will post back
It also has an annulus and has a very nice strong mushroom smell.
Id love to know what this is and if its edible as it was in my garden.

Thanks for reading. K
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RiverDweller1



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maybe Armillaria tabescens
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Keiramackenzie said: It also has an annulus ...
Aye. Probably Armillaria mellea.
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Keiramackenzie
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Re: ID Request [Re: Joie]
#18990654 - 10/17/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys.
I really appreciate your help. After looking at the Macroscopics, it fits the Armillaria Mellea better than the Armillaria Tabescens due to sizes as well as the Annulus, but I see why you said Tabescens, as looking at pictures, although the sizes and characteristics match the Mellea better, my ones look more like some pictures of Tabescens due to being darker than Mellea, and having a dark, slightly striate margin.
? Oh I am such a noob - Could it be the dark honey mushroom? The armillaria ostoyae(?) To be honest, it still looks most like this picture I found on the web of a tabescens

...just with a slightly darker middle, but it can't be tabescens, as they seem to stress the fact it is ringless.
Edited by Keiramackenzie (10/17/13 12:15 PM)
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mahniti
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first picture armillaria mellea, second a. tabescens.
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Keiramackenzie
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Re: ID Request [Re: mahniti]
#18990704 - 10/17/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi Mahniti
Thanks for your help.
When you say first and second pictures, do you mean the first post with 6 pictures in is Mellea, and the second post with the picture in is a tabescens?
I had to ask as wasn't sure, and got the 2nd post's picture from the net, so it all helps greatly.
Thanks
Edited by Keiramackenzie (10/17/13 12:20 PM)
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Re: ID Request [Re: mahniti]
#18990732 - 10/17/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes, first 6 pics a. mellea, and one in your later post a. tabescens.
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Re: ID Request [Re: mahniti]
#18990820 - 10/17/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said: Probably Armillaria mellea...
...is probably a bit of a lazy ID. I had a long day.
Most British Armillaria used to be lumped there, the records are still a mess, and most Armillaria are quite variable, which doesn't make it easy to look up definitive features, especially since some of the most definitive are less discernible on mature fruitbodies.
Armillaria tabescens is not all that common here. The other ringless one, which grows in bogs and is endangered here, is Armillaria ectypa. Armillaria cepistipes loses its ring.
I don't think it is A. ostoyae or A. gallica, although I shan't rule it out, but the first tends to have dark scales on the cap and the second a fluffy ring.
A. borealis is a decent suspect but the number of mushrooms in the fascicle still points to A. mellea.
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Re: ID Request [Re: Joie]
#18990885 - 10/17/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said:
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Joie said: Probably Armillaria mellea...
...is probably a bit of a lazy ID. I had a long day.
Most British Armillaria used to be lumped there, the records are still a mess, and most Armillaria are quite variable, which doesn't make it easy to look up definitive features, especially since some of the most definitive are less discernible on mature fruitbodies.
Armillaria tabescens is not all that common here. The other ringless one, which grows in bogs and is endangered here, is Armillaria ectypa. Armillaria cepistipes loses its ring.
I don't think it is A. ostoyae or A. gallica, although I shan't rule it out, but the first tends to have dark scales on the cap and the second a fluffy ring.
A. borealis is a decent suspect but the number of mushrooms in the fascicle still points to A. mellea.
wow, lol, a lot less lazy ID
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Re: ID Request [Re: art2312]
#18990907 - 10/17/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thank you.
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Re: ID Request [Re: Joie]
#18990910 - 10/17/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said:
I thank you.
no, no. thank you lol... good info
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Re: ID Request [Re: mahniti]
#18992484 - 10/17/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mahniti said: second a. tabescens.
No chance.
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Keiramackenzie
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Re: ID Request [Re: Joie]
#18994349 - 10/18/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks Joie
I didn't think it lazy at all. It made me look into what you'd said more that you only cited a little bit at first.
Thank you very much. The world of mushrooms and Fungi is a wonderous one to me, and I am so grateful to get info from people who know what they're talking about.
It's hard. I cannot seem to get a spore print from this one. I will try black paper and report later, although i'm assuming they will have the same-ish print anyways, but it is me who should apologise for being lazy, as there are slight black scales on these mushrooms, randomly placed, but they are very few and small, so i'm wondering if it is in fact A. ostoyae, or honey fungus after all.
A head scratcher, but thanks again as I learn so much with every exchange on here.
K
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