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How's this tub looking?
    #18990451 - 10/17/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Spawned 6 days ago.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18990465 - 10/17/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks about 95% colonized and healthy from the top.

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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18990491 - 10/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome.  It's been a minute since last tub so I kinda forgot. Lol. There are some tufts of white, which I hope is Myc kinda going aerial. I was gonna take a pic but hesitant to get so close before 100 percent.  You think it's resistant enough to get in close for a pic though to post n see if possibly a contam?  I'm prolly bein paranoid but lke I said, its been a minute so my memory isn't serving me So well. And you just see so much more detail in real life...especially when it's your baby.

Also, I lifted n looked on the bottom.  The bottom is a tiny bit behind with clear rhizomorphs and just like maybe 15 to 20 percent collectively of spots yet to be colonized. My question s, when some people use dark liners and can't see how colonized sides and bottom are, yet we say its at 100 percent just by looking at the top, when there might be spots throughout one can't see elsewhere.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18990513 - 10/17/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Awesome.  It's been a minute since last tub so I kinda forgot. Lol. There are some tufts of white, which I hope is Myc kinda going aerial. I was gonna take a pic but hesitant to get so close before 100 percent.  You think it's resistant enough to get in close for a pic though to post n see if possibly a contam?  I'm prolly bein paranoid but lke I said, its been a minute so my memory isn't serving me So well. And you just see so much more detail in real life...especially when it's your baby.




Should be fine...you are forgetting that there are millions of contams mixed into the substrate already from when you spawned it.

Opening the lid for a quick pic should hurt nothing.

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Also, I lifted n looked on the bottom.  The bottom is a tiny bit behind with clear rhizomorphs and just like maybe 15 to 20 percent collectively of spots yet to be colonized. My question s, when some people use dark liners and can't see how colonized sides and bottom are, yet we say its at 100 percent just by looking at the top, when there might be spots throughout one can't see elsewhere.



This is when you have to go back and remember how good you mixed the spawn in with the substrate.

If you mixed everything as evenly as possible, when the top is fully colonized then so should the bottom, but you can always just give it an extra day or 2 if you want.

I fruit mine when the top is fully colonized.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18990617 - 10/17/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice.  This is the quickest I've ever had a tub colonize.:justcantwait:
  I'm curious if its because my first time pasteurization. In the past only did bucket.  Does anyone ever mix sub n spawn in say a sanitized bucket or a big plastic bag to ensure more evenness?

I I certainly mixed as good as I thought I did. Turning it over, moving from one side to the other, top to bottom and so on.  I feel this would be more certainly accomplished in something like a big bag or bucket though. Considering out spawning methods aren't sterile anyway, wouldn't this be just fine to do?


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18990781 - 10/17/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As long as the bucket is clean, I don't see how it would hurt.

But with the experience of doing a few more tubs you will eventually be able to mix it pretty good just in the tub.

Frank layers his spawn/substrate, then mixes it up in the tub to help spread it out better...maybe trying this would help.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18990966 - 10/17/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:Frank layers his spawn/substrate, then mixes it up in the tub to help spread it out better...maybe trying this would help.





Notahacker has a great point - layering the spawn and sub was the most effective for my tubs. I layered sub/spawn/sub - having spawn touching the tub (at the bottom) made it more difficult to mix. Spawn kinda likes to sit on the bottom. Layering (much like an oreo's chocolate/vanilla/chocolate) helps distribute evenly.

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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: etdxx]
    #18991695 - 10/17/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i was pretty meticulous in layering my spawn as well.  i mean, if you were sittin there watching me you would proly have assumed i couldnt do much more.  i just took some pics of the bottom.  im sure it will catch up within a day or two.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18991716 - 10/17/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18991798 - 10/17/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see how the bottom of your tub would be affected by fresh air flowing on the top. :shrug:

We usually use a liner there anyway and it doesn't effect any of those grows where we don't see what the bottom looks like before fruiting..

EDIT: just saw you posted op today! maybe don't fruit it quite yet.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18991867 - 10/17/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see how the bottom of your tub would be affected by fresh air flowing on the top. :shrug:

We usually use a liner there anyway and it doesn't effect any of those grows where we don't see what the bottom looks like before fruiting..

EDIT: just saw you posted op today! maybe don't fruit it quite yet.




yea and i referenced my curiousity about those who do not use clear liners as they likely may have uncolonized bits and pieces throughout the sub when they are only going by how it looks on top.  although, i agree i cant imagine how it makes much of a difference.  overall i could see where it would if those spots are possibly contamed, or if they never catch up?  :shrug:

this being the reason i use a clear liner as i like to make sure those spots are at least for the most part colonized. 

my first batch of tubs i went with the consolidation route.  i waited quite a while after 100 percent colonization as i was hoping to see pins before fruiting as i was told time to time some liked to do it that way.

this time i will be fruiting at 100 percent colonization.  no further consolidation.  with that, i dont think the bottom small amount will make much a difference.  all the same, im gonna wait at least a day or two.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18992006 - 10/17/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anything over a 3inch substrate depth when using coir at least and you start working against yourself. The weight of the sub begins to compact the bottom adding to the likelyhood of uncolonized bits on the bottom.

Just something to ponder.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: maddchef]
    #18992100 - 10/17/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anything over a 3inch substrate depth when using coir at least and you start working against yourself. The weight of the sub begins to compact the bottom adding to the likelyhood of uncolonized bits on the bottom.



Not really....

I speak from experience.

My tubs are usually 3.5 - 5 inches deep.

I cant really remember a single one of them having uncolonized portions on the bottom when I threw them out.

I use liners, so I only see the bottom when they are spent.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18992167 - 10/17/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mine is between 3 and 3.5 as my holes i believe are at 3.5.  with that, looking at my uncolonized areas, dont look to bad right? 

you dont use clear liners nah?


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18992254 - 10/17/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, black liners.

Those spots will colonize, just give them a few more days.

It should not be that big of a deal if you fruited while there was still a patch, but I am not going to advocate it, especially when it's that obvious.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18994885 - 10/18/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Today
In second to last pic is one spot in question.  It just looks I bit different. Center of second to last pic.



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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18995205 - 10/18/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i use an uncut garbage bag and tape the top of the bag to the top of the tub on 4 sides. This lets me mix in the bag in the tub (no mess ever)

When the sub fully colonizes, I cut the sides with a razor blade, remove the top part of the bag, and add my polyfil.

Once the sub is spent or god forbid (contaminated) I grab the sides of the bag and I pull it up about 6-8". This lets me tie up the bag and dispose of it.


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #18996786 - 10/18/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the spots on the bottom are covered up with like 2 remaining that are nearly covered, and im almost certain by tommorow afternoon they will be.  i plan on fruiting tommorow.  im curious though.  is a lighting cycle imperative once fruiting, or only once pins actual start to show?

i ask because this weekend i wont be around, an i have yet to set up lights to a 12 on 12 off cycle as my bulb is broken and i need to get a new one. 

i will be able to have said bulb come monday.  is it ok that it will only be recieving fresh air for 2 days before i get light to it?


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19004795 - 10/20/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would wait for the light personally, but a couple days isn't a big deal


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Re: How's this tub looking? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19004811 - 10/20/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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the spots on the bottom are covered up with like 2 remaining that are nearly covered, and im almost certain by tommorow afternoon they will be.  i plan on fruiting tommorow.  im curious though.  is a lighting cycle imperative once fruiting, or only once pins actual start to show?



Lighting Requirements of Mushrooms

Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all. However, those commonly grown by hobbyists, such as Pleurotus ostreatus (Oyster Mushrooms), Lentinus enodes (Shiitake), Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom, and Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane) all require light to produce abundant, normal sized fruits. Experience has taught us that the light best suited for primordia formation and the development of fruitbodies is bright light with a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin. Fortunately, this type of light is easily obtainable at your local home improvement center in the form of fluorescent fixtures. For a small terrarium as described in this chapter, a single CFL (compact fluorescent) that screws into a standard light bulb socket will work very well. These can often be found in grocery and drug stores in every neighborhood. 15 watt CFLs will do the job well, but the package will probably have a large 60 stamped on it, indicating they produce light "equivalent" to a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. They're referring to lumens of output, not the frequency. Incandescent light bulbs are the worst possible choice for growing mushrooms, since they emit a 'red' light in the 3,000 Kelvin color temperature range.

The higher the color temperature, expressed in Kelvin, the closer to the 'blue' end of the spectrum the emitted light is. The lower the color temperature the 'redder' the light is. If you have a choice of fluorescent lamps, purchase those labeled 'daylight' since these have a somewhat higher color temperature than cool white. Daylight, sometimes called 'natural daylight' fluorescent tubes generally emit light in the 6,500 Kelvin range, while cool white fluorescent emits light at around 5,000 Kelvin.
If you have several terrariums stacked or otherwise near each other, you can use larger 2 to 4 tube fluorescent fixtures. These come in 48" and 96" lengths. Place the fluorescent lamps as close as you can get them to your terrariums without causing excessive heating. Species such as Shiitake and Oyster mushrooms prefer to fruit at temperatures in the upper 50's to mid 60's Fahrenheit (15C to 20C), while Psilocybe cubensis prefers to fruit at a temperature in the mid 70s to about 80 Fahrenheit (23C to 27C)
Most mushroom species don't mind a slightly warmer temperature during daytime than at night, so if your grow room is a bit colder than the temperature ranges given above, a little warming from your lights during the daytime won't hurt at all, provided you don't let the air in your terrarium get too dry. For cakes, try to keep the humidity above 95%.
Cased substrates are a bit more forgiving, but still try to keep your humidity above 90%. 12 hours on, 12 hours off has proved to be a great combination over a wide range of species. Of course, if you have a bright window near your terrarium, that will suffice, but direct sunlight for more than a few minutes per day should be avoided.

Disregard outdated advice in old books which is constantly repeated on the internet to colonize mushroom substrates in total darkness. Experience and rigorous peer reviewed studies have proved that exposure to low level ambient indoor lighting during spawn run and substrate colonizing will speed up the process, leading to full colonization up to a few days earlier than the same substrate would if colonized in darkness. In addition, mushroom mycelium develops a day/night circadian rhythm, so exposure to light from day of inoculation sets this process in motion, leading to earlier fruiting and harvest.

Source: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


Light is not a main pinning trigger....they should be getting light from day 1.....so no, turning it on now won't hurt anything.


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