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This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because.....
    #18989996 - 10/17/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

...any dimwit even knows Men do not give birth.  The Creator is a feminine principle.

People often do not understand  the sexography of the Indic religions where they think Sun is feminine and Moon is masculine, but here's why - the sun is light, and light gives birth to form as it details things.  Thus the sun is feminine.  The moon follows after the sun condensing the moisture of the night into new seed. 

It is all analogy, yes? It is good.... yes?


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18990016 - 10/17/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:boring:


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18990100 - 10/17/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You cant create anything without the right equipment so both sides have an equality related to the process IMO, no women has given birth to anyone without a seed being planted.

Don't know about the Moon and the Sun you lost me there.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18993980 - 10/18/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why would something who created the entire universe need to have a gender?

How could you possibly know anything about what such a "being" would be like?


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #18994182 - 10/18/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh God Yes! Oh God Yes. I only hear this during communion with the feminine. The rest of the time I hear this term 'God' it's just some confused fallow thing.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18994252 - 10/18/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What are you trying to convey here? "God", if there is one, would be too expansive to be classified by gender. I know quite a few Christians who DON'T believe that "God" is a male. He transcends our worldly concepts and petty labels such as male and female. Even smart Christians believe that. I don't know where you're getting this idea that people believe "God" is actually a male entity. The Father and the Son and "He" are just references to this entity, it does not necessarily imply that the entity has male reproductive organs. Come on, man.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18994326 - 10/18/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If I implied that Gods did have sex organs we could understand then I was probably playing upon the notion. I do not think you are correct that people of patriarchal religions think Gods is genderless.  You have hit upon the head the point of this thread - I was bucking the patriarchally religious.  God the Father and all that rot. 

Here in New Orleans we live with colors and races side by side.  There may be prejudice but people do work together regardless of their beliefs. 

When I watch something on TV or in the movies and there are only white people it feels false to me. 

So also after studying Eastern religions for my whole life when I hear this - 'God the Father' shit it feels false to me. 

The Christians you know who don't consider God masculine I suggest aren't actually Christians.  We all know by now that Middle Eastern religions start with God abjuring Abraham to kill, and then enforce the covenant by slicing off a piece of dick.  How much more direct a connection with male gender do you need?

Furthermore - in The Trinity there's only father - son - and genderless spirit - WTF? Sounds pretty gay if you really want to know. That's probably why The Church allows and enjoys pederasts.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18994422 - 10/18/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Furthermore - in The Trinity there's only father - son - and genderless spirit - WTF? Sounds pretty gay if you really want to know. That's probably why The Church allows and enjoys pederasts.


Hey you actually are making an interesting observation for a change. :haha:


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: Icelander]
    #18994492 - 10/18/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The profound has never been weird enough for me, that's why I keep to the shallow, where the truth is obvious.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #18994727 - 10/18/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:  You great big wise guy what! :nosekiss:  :icouldjusteatyou:


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #19000307 - 10/19/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

eve69 said:
If I implied that Gods did have sex organs we could understand then I was probably playing upon the notion. I do not think you are correct that people of patriarchal religions think Gods is genderless.  You have hit upon the head the point of this thread - I was bucking the patriarchally religious.  God the Father and all that rot. 

Here in New Orleans we live with colors and races side by side.  There may be prejudice but people do work together regardless of their beliefs. 

When I watch something on TV or in the movies and there are only white people it feels false to me. 

So also after studying Eastern religions for my whole life when I hear this - 'God the Father' shit it feels false to me. 

The Christians you know who don't consider God masculine I suggest aren't actually Christians.  We all know by now that Middle Eastern religions start with God abjuring Abraham to kill, and then enforce the covenant by slicing off a piece of dick.  How much more direct a connection with male gender do you need?

Furthermore - in The Trinity there's only father - son - and genderless spirit - WTF? Sounds pretty gay if you really want to know. That's probably why The Church allows and enjoys pederasts.




The Catechism of the Catholic Church expressly rejects any gender of God (239: "We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God."), but ultimately I agree with you,* and would add that the language of the Mass and homilies is suffused with gendered material.  It really is somewhat jarring coming from a background more influenced by Eastern traditions.

*Edit: I was trying to express here that there is a gendered tone arising out of the language used in the Church (God expressed frequently as "He" etc.), not that any particular Christians are not true Christians or other thoughts.  The spiritual tools of Catholicism are fulsome and its contemplative, philosophical and other traditions deep.  This was intended only as an observation about an institution I respect, and not a judgment, but I was far too vague in how I stated the above, and I apologize.


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: eve69]
    #19000682 - 10/19/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm telling you, Christians do not believe that God has male reproductive organs. They believe that God transcends gender. This is basic spiritual knowledge.

"He" is just a name that they give the creative force, it does not denote that the said force has male reproductive organs. Nobody with any sort of knowledge is confused by that.

You say the mother is the creator, but the mother is not the creator alone. The father also plays a role in creation because he carries the seed. The union of the seed and the egg produces the creature.

Through the use of symbolism, the egg-carrier would be Gaia, or mother earth. The seed-giver is the father, and the father "impregnates" the mother with his creation seed, he "plants seeds" if you will, and then Gaia does her work from there.

Don't think that the bible leaves out the mother aspect. As you can see from these two verses below, the bible even says that we are born of Gaia:

"For he knows how weak we are; he remembers we are only dust." -Psalm 103:14

"By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made. For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return."

Now, because we are sons and daughters of the mother and the father we have inherited god-like aspects, i.e. the ability to create things.

And Jesus even said that we are all "gods":
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”? -John 10:34

The bible even says we are made in the image of "God". ("God" being one word that means both the father and the mother principle)

Genesis 1:26-27:
Then God said, "Let Us (notice how he says "Us"; He is referring to himself and to Gaia when he speaks about this) "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

You see it's all symbolism. We humans can't comprehend the ineffable, so we use familiar symbols like mother and father to convey messages about things that are indescribable. It doesn't mean that it's literally a mother and a father, which would denote two entities with genitalia. 

The union of mother earth and father sky


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Re: This notion of God being a Creator is fallow because..... [Re: Mahananda]
    #19000711 - 10/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

God (the Spirit) is father, the earth (matter) is mother. Thats why we say mother earth and mother nature and that's why we call God father and refer to him as male.

Of course, as the catechism says God transcends human genders, as God encompasses both creation and the uncreated light. But we do revere the divine feminine in the form of Mary, the blessed mother of God. In fact, the holy rosary without a doubt, has become the leading prayer of our church. I could write a whole essay on Marian Devotion and why it is needed to heal the imbalance between the masculine and feminine energies in our society, but suffice to say that catholics recognize and revere the divine feminine.

If you have a beef with Christians about sexism, take it up with the protestants, who forbid Marian Devotion.

"The Christians you know who don't consider God masculine I suggest aren't actually Christians"

sorry but you dont get to make up the definition of Christian. We can debate forever on what constitutes a Christian, are mormons Christian? what about Lutherans? Calvinists? etc, How heretical does a religion have to be before it can no longer be considered Christian? but in this case, even going by the more strict, narrow historical definitons, one would surely not be excluded for believing that God is beyond human gender ideas.


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