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sharkdiver
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bulk sub ratio confusion
#18989979 - 10/17/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, I have read days of different teks and have so much conflicting advise from threads, I am way more confused then before I started trying to get sub right. My plan is to spawn 6 jars grain (no gyp in grain prep) to 40% coir 20% poo 40% verm. some say case after colonization, RR say no, so I am going with no casing. I need to know what ph buffer to add. oyster shells, Ca Carbonate, gypsum???... I used pickling lime with a friends bulk to poo/coir/verm and all his stuff got trich, so Idk if the pickling lime was good or not because I never saw a final product. Please clarify this for me with the reason so I can wrap my head around which additive is best and why?
at the above ratio the mix would be: 6 jars grain 1/2 brick coir 4 jars poo 6 jars verm
(this is where friend added a teaspoon pickling lime)
What should I add and how much?
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18989995 - 10/17/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sharkdiver said: well, I have read days of different teks and have so much conflicting advise from threads, I am way more confused then before I started trying to get sub right. My plan is to spawn 6 jars grain (no gyp in grain prep) to 40% coir 20% poo 40% verm. some say case after colonization, RR say no, so I am going with no casing. I need to know what ph buffer to add. oyster shells, Ca Carbonate, gypsum???...
If growing cubes in a monotub a casing layer is not needed.
Gypsum is PH neutral, but is a good additive.
I would add nothing else....coir, manure, and verm is fine.
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sharkdiver said: I used pickling lime with a friends bulk to poo/coir/verm and all his stuff got trich, so Idk if the pickling lime was good or not because I never saw a final product. Please clarify this for me with the reason so I can wrap my head around which additive is best and why?
No idea, but I have never heard of adding pickling lime to a substrate so :shurg:.
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sharkdiver said: at the above ratio the mix would be: 6 jars grain 1/2 brick coir 4 jars poo 6 jars verm
(this is where friend added a teaspoon pickling lime)
What should I add and how much?
How big are these jars?
You do not need to add anything else, that should be fine.
I personally only use coir/verm and get phenomenal results.
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: PussyFart]
#18990113 - 10/17/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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qt jars. RR say Gypsum is imperative. will there not be a ph issue down the road if nothing is added? Why does everybody say add lime, gyp, shells, ect if it's not really necessary? I'm totally down with no extra stuff because it become to cumbersome and expensive. can u explain your rational so i can understand the reason why or why not add buffer. thanks a ton
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990137 - 10/17/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going with nothing then. too much info is making this way harder than it really is. preciate the 411. i was driving myself nuts trying to figure it out
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990229 - 10/17/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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one last question. I cant pasteurize in pot where i live. i read i can throw it in a bucket with a lid and boiling h20 and it will cool to pasteurize temp. will the boiling h20 not kill off too much when it hits the mix? I def do not want to sterilize the sub! i have do it in trays in the oven at 170 for couple hrs, but thats way more of a pain than the bucket method. your thoughts? thanks for helping me out. I've been stuck for a minute on these questions w/ fully colonized qts ready, but no where to go.lol
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990238 - 10/17/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bucket tek is not true pasteurization, and only works on coir/verm only....if you add anything else like manure, straw, etc., you need true pasteurization.
Pasteurizing in an oven has failure written all over it.
Use a big pot....or just coir/verm for the bucket tek.
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: PussyFart]
#18990314 - 10/17/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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got it. thanks
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sharkdiver
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990350 - 10/17/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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glad i asked that. you probably just saved me huge comtams issue b/c of the poo. was going to bucket it. and the oven is the cause of eventually causing trich out all my trays, which i though came from a contam lc. u r the bomb! very much appreciate you sharing the knowledge
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990524 - 10/17/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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can i toss some gypsum in with the bucket tek or will that be a contam issue since its not true pasteurization? or you think gypsum is unnecessary anyway?
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990556 - 10/17/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gypsum is not an added contam risk with the bucket tek. I would recommend adding it. I'm sure NAH would too but might suggest adding it at a better time. By the way you can edit your posts rather than posting 3 times in a row.
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: bodhisatta]
#18990616 - 10/17/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok. thanks
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Re: bulk sub ratio confusion [Re: sharkdiver]
#18990765 - 10/17/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Add gypsum to the boiling water before you pour it in the bucket.
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