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OfflineJesus Cristo
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Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid?
    #18989332 - 10/17/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

in like just knowing illuminati and black magick type stuff and information is just a second away is insane, but i always just keep it to myself, in the back of my head since I really don't wish to think about it.

Do these thoughts happen to everyone? In my earlier trips it never came up, and from what my friends tell me they haven't gotten similar thoughts, and others I feel just don't like to talk about it for whatever reason.

On a vaguer note, is it bad to look into these type of thoughts, or paranoid/bad-trip thoughts in general from an analytic view?  It's interesting stuff when I'm tripping but is it bad to think of such dark thoughts? its only really come up in my last trip, and I felt like a naughty little tripper trying to figure what it was about, so I didn't.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #18989443 - 10/17/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

On one of my trips I had to pee, and I really didn't want to go into the bathroom because of the brightness, but I just thought to myself, "Let's just hurry up, turn on the light, sit down, close my eyes, and get it over with." I closed my eyes because they were way too sensitive to the light, and while I did this I was imagining walking through what I thought Hell would be like if it actually existed. It was an endless black void, and I just kept walking around for all eternity. When I snapped back to the task at hand I was in a bit of a panic, so I hurried up and went back into my bedroom. I hope I never have to experience that again.

I don't think it's bad to think about, but it can easily ruin a trip in some cases. I still managed to enjoy my last trip even though part way through I thought I was going to be raided by a SWAT team and have my house bombed by the military.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Bawks]
    #18989507 - 10/17/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You could very well be prying open a can of worms, like a lingering psychoses. Every acid trip for me has its sketchy moments, such as anxiety or psychosis, but I don't experience this for more than a few brief moments, and contrary to your experience, for me it seemed to be a more noticeable issue when I first began tripping, and has been on the decline as I've been on the rise.

I guess I've adjusted, or just put those thoughts behind me. I remember on my first few trips thinking crazy schizo-paranoid things, like when dancing, several times I had to stop because I feared the floor would break through or my house would collapse.

Driving was also fearful, especially red lights, that pesky driver behind me always seemed to be braking slowly, and about to rear end me at high speeds. Also outside at a park once I remember telling my friends we should return home because, among other things, we were safer from meteorites indoors.

The only other thing I noticed and disliked is that acid can bring out depression, and precipitate negative thinking or general hopelessness, but you can very reliably avoid that by dosing in a good environment, keeping your doses small <200mics, and just keeping your head up.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: gamesguru]
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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Crumpet]
    #18990267 - 10/17/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes mindfuck.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18990349 - 10/17/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm. I believe that both Satan and God talks to us, all the time, in our heads. This is on top of all your own thoughts. You have to choose where you want to direct your attention, and that is the direction you will go in. This is the number one thing psychedelics can teach you. Life can also teach you that, but not in such an instant and obvious manner, and most of the time the knowledge comes when it is too late.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18990366 - 10/17/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Jesus Cristo said:
in like just knowing illuminati and black magick type stuff and information is just a second away is insane, but i always just keep it to myself, in the back of my head since I really don't wish to think about it.



Illuminati and magic are supposed to be dark thoughts? I must be the fucking devil. Great. And information is a second away from making you insane? What?


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: The Centre]
    #18990376 - 10/17/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But God made satan so how nice is that..

God talking to us in our heads is like trolling us because he knew lucifer would fall..

If I was God i'd un-create satan and forgive all human beings.. What came first, the sin or the man? God came first.. designed rules he'd knew people would break... now we must pay...


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18990511 - 10/17/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But God made satan so how nice is that..

God talking to us in our heads is like trolling us because he knew lucifer would fall..

If I was God i'd un-create satan and forgive all human beings.. What came first, the sin or the man? God came first.. designed rules he'd knew people would break... now we must pay...




Sadly, this is not the case. The Israelis (the only people to whom the laws counted in the first place) asked for those laws. God created Satan, and yes, he did know he will fall. He also knew Men will fall. He also know that all is good since Men will Rise again with the aid of the absolute Magickal power that comes with sacrificing a part of Himself. He still left the choice to us. If he didn't produce the option of evil, he would be an controlling bastard. He has never stopped us from doing evil. (That is obvious, look at Hitler.) This has caused an unbalance in the universe, thus we have duality. He has full confidence in us though, to make the right decision and direct our attention to Love, and not Hate.

I understand your argument, but most Christians that have tried to explain why all these things are so don't know why, because they don't get that God isn't a nanny, and never was. They don't get that the only reason the Law was put there was because the Israelites asked for it, and Christ came to fulfill the Law and forever loose us from it's bondage.

Don't confuse Law with what happened in the garden of Eden. (Although it is related.) God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because he knew that would cause them to see the world in a duality, not because he wanted to trick them into making a fatal mistake. He tried to prevent one. Why did he make the tree? Because he had to give us a choice to see the separation that ALREADY EXISTED between God and his creation. This choice we made, after being lied to, did not lead to our condemnation to Hell, it only meant that our physical bodies first had to die before we could re-enter a state of oneness. This is what happens to all of those who do not follow a system of law. Then the Isrialites asked for a law. Many other cultures also asked for laws or made laws themselves. Those who chose to live under a law, had to fulfill it to return to the oneness. This counts for all cultures, not just Jews and Muslims. Hinduism has it's own laws, often ones that are impossible to fulfill. I don't believe God sends anybody to hell, I just feel that he was obligated to create such a place. (For free choice to be real all possibilities must exist.) Anybody who ends up in hell because of Law did so because they chose to live under law. For as long as you think of something as wrong or right, you live under law. (Guess what... Something tells me you do.)

Unless you fulfill it. Christ payed for it, for anybody who wants it. You just gotta ask first, he won't force it on you.


PS: Sorry for total thread derail. Mentioning anything Christian on psychedelic forums can often be met with much resistance, but people must understand that not all Christians believe the same things, as most Christians are uneducated about their own religion. Heck, the very fact that they practice it as a religion and don't understand that it is a way of life and a gift from God, is why the Church is in ruins as it is. Thousands of denominations... God weeps at the sight.

BTW, find me a Buddhist that actually reached enlightenment, and show him to me. I bet you you will find one or two, sure. They will have a wonderful time in Nirvana. The rest, sadly, are working toward an unattainable goal. I don't see the human race getting there by their own power any time soon, and since the Ultimate Sacrifice has already been made, I don't feel like I need to. Each and every Christian who believes their sin is absolved and that they don't live under law, is saved, even if they are useless wretches. You can try the hard way, if you'd like, but we all slip, so why bother?


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18990670 - 10/17/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But God made satan so how nice is that..

God talking to us in our heads is like trolling us because he knew lucifer would fall..

If I was God i'd un-create satan and forgive all human beings.. What came first, the sin or the man? God came first.. designed rules he'd knew people would break... now we must pay...



You allow free will then the decision to sin is on each individual. There is forgiveness, even angels aren't perfect, you should be held accountable for your decisions. We are given all the tools to make the right choices, without being forced into them, we are responsible for our own actions, it's unfortunate you feel blameless in life.

Also this conversation is getting really heady and geared more towards the spirituality and mysticism forum. If it continues to be purely religious discussion I will move this there.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: The Centre]
    #18990684 - 10/17/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What about acid and shrooms being magick? Sorcery much? I have one hit of wow I wanna do but I don't want that to be my portal to hell or something, like it was in the past.... Like that saying

Jesus comes like a thief in the night was the main theme during my first experience with L... Like God was testing me or something...

But I don't wanna do drugs just to get high and waste time, I want an enhanced earthly experience where I can feel nirvana and better my body&mind so when I die I can reach heaven or whatever...

I just want to be on the side of good.. I help people, I step over bugs, I cherish nature and I go outside every day to appreciate the randomness of all things. I stay in shape and im getting stronger every day physically and mentally. I don't make fun of people and I try to teach people the path of enlightenment in a non hypocritical kind of way. I don't boast or try to make people jealous, I don't force knowledge onto people. I learn to ignore negativity whether its other human contact or just random things happening that I don't like or approve of. I turn around and walk the other way.

Even though sometimes I want to get in to a fight just for the sake of dishing out pain and receiving pain; competition. I have never once gotten into a true fight with anyone....ever... But I feel like my suppressed rage will come out one of these years.. Even if my opponent is bigger than me and I know I'll lose the fight. I am human. I think its only natural to be challenged and to not give up. Slowly but surely I imagine it happening. But who knows? I'm not wishing for it per-say but I want to do something in my life where It was all ultimately up to me to win or lose. Like a fight to the death.. a sacrifice.. Destroying a child rapist or murderer, viking style... Just owning somebody for their evil ways. I just want to live and die with a purpose.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18990712 - 10/17/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You allow free will then the decision to sin is on each individual. There is forgiveness, even angels aren't perfect, you should be held accountable for your decisions. We are given all the tools to make the right choices, without being forced into them, we are responsible for our own actions, it's unfortunate you feel blameless in life.

Also this conversation is getting really heady and geared more towards the spirituality and mysticism forum. If it continues to be purely religious discussion I will move this there.




I'm not saying don't be held accountable for your personal actions... But what I mean is.. I don't agree with certain things..

For one.. I didn't choose to be born, so why do I have to follow rules? I can't suicide.. thats a sin all by itself.. the ultimate one.. so im stuck.. i'm a slave essentially.

If you commit a crime you go to jail.. you KNOW the consequences of getting caught stealing or something.. but thou shalt not steal... then you go to hell.. talk about double punishment for a finite 100 years or less on earth..

Then theres the gamble of being born... You might be born in iraq as a girl who has to get her genitalia mutilated.. god knows its going on.. there is pain... oh just suffer in this life to experience nirvana in the next... why not just make the baby die in the wound and go straight to heaven... not allow them to be born in the desert to be raped, 90 lashes for being raped, getting their pussy lips chopped off, with a 50/50% chance of surviving it... oh but they praise allah so they burn in hell..

SOME FUCKING BULL SHIT.

then theres the worldly leaders who sign a pact with satan for money, power, etc.. just to fuck the rest..

fuck man its all bullshit


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18990751 - 10/17/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you want to avoid demons and in the real world you want to avoid pigs.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18990760 - 10/17/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SOME FUCKING BULL SHIT.

then theres the worldly leaders who sign a pact with satan for money, power, etc.. just to fuck the rest..

fuck man its all bullshit




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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: rikuni]
    #18990801 - 10/17/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you want to avoid demons and in the real world you want to avoid pigs.





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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18991036 - 10/17/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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For one.. I didn't choose to be born, so why do I have to follow rules?




Wow you're completely self centered and selfish, if I wasn't a mod i'd put you on ignore after reading this post. Your statements on fights are also completely absurd, i've been in tons of real fights, broken knuckles, blood stained concrete, etc. Not one of the things you've stated is anything other than selfish delusion.. You feel completely entitled and are one of the most childish and selfish people i've run across in my time here at the shroomery. I truly feel sorry for your parents, family, and all your friends. Disgraceful..


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18991362 - 10/17/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoyed reading that biased ego you have clearly shown. You obviously didn't understand what I meant when I brought up the fighting... Animals fight for territory, I'm sure a lion feels like the king if he is challenged.. He doesn't run like a little bitch and he fights to the death. Thats called appreciating that fucking gift precious life gave you... Being prepped and ready for anything.

You can ignore me regardless you self-deluded bastard I don't give a shit how old you are or how long you have been on this forum, we are ALL humans are entitled to our own..

What do I feel entitled for and how am I selfish? It takes two to tango you stupid mother fucker and i'd love to challenge you.. Obviously YOU are the one who is absurd considering AS STATED ABOVE, I never got into a fight but YOU have so whats that tell you? You are an ignorant twat with a silver spoon in his ass..


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18991365 - 10/17/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Now go ahead and cry about how I disrespected a mod or something, like I give a fuck.. I'm like a dragon with many heads I'll keep growing more. I always do.. now fuck off.


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18991387 - 10/17/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love thinking of dark stuff on certain trips. I like to look at this guys art while I am on Shrooms, gives a very esoteric feel to the headspace. I think that the patterns and symbols, and hedonism are the result of certain headspace usage, and I enjoy them that much more because of it.

http://www.theartofskinner.com/art/#/all/2012


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Re: Is there stuff in psychedelicspace you like to avoid? [Re: Futuresight]
    #18991550 - 10/17/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

and obviously the stupid fuck never watched fight club


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