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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19003764 - 10/20/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not only is there fierce competition to produce better products, there is also fierce competition for qualified researchers to develop those products.  As a result, these companies have to pay top dollar for top researchers to do the work.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19005406 - 10/20/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate big PHARM for creating their medicines around trating symptoms and not caring about side effects as that just helps sell more medicine in cocktail form.

If big PHARM did find a cure for cancer in its research it would no doubt choose to NEVER market it. Cured people dont make you money.





That is about a big a pile of Horse-Poop as I have ever read.  'Big Pharm' absolutely wants to minimize side effects.  Example:  treatment for Hepatitis C virus, current drugs have severe side effects.  There is a rush to find drugs that don't require the use of Interferon because of the debilitating side effects.  There are a bunch of companies with new Anti-virals for HCV, and the one that gets to market with the fewest side effects wins the big money.  I know, I am going to be getting prescribed one of the new ones, but I still have to use interferon because I have cirrohsis. 

And if they find a cure--the first company that finds a cure for HCV, or AIDS, etc, is going to be making some big bank.  It is not in their interest to NOT develop a cure BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH COMPETITION.

Yes, the drugs are really expensive when they first come out.  Why?  Because they have to recover their research costs. 

A similar idea with the same specious reasoning as yours is 'Companies don't care if they poison you or harm you with their product--they are just in for the buck'  NOT TRUE.  They want to minimize harm/bad effects and maximize safety to protect them from the shysters.  :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19005807 - 10/20/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why try to min side effects? Makes no financial sense


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1] * 1
    #19005835 - 10/20/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It makes great financial sense.  If your drug for herpes has side effects, but your competition's drug for herpes doesn't, they're going to make your drug obsolete.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19006027 - 10/20/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why try to min side effects? Makes no financial sense






Didn't you read the example I provided?  Doctors are demanding HCV drugs that are interferon free, to avoid the side effects, which, depending on the extent of liver disease, can cause death.  There are 4 or 5 big Pharms competing for the market share--it is worth billions.  The effective ones will take the market--the losers will write off a huge financial loss for the development.  And what does 'Big Pharm' gain from side effects?  Being able to sell a cheap generic that they make no money on?  Who even says the drugs side effects will need a drug that that company makes?

There is a lot of competetion in the pharm industry.  Can you imagine the company that makes an AIDS cure that is safe and almost 100% effective?  they are going to make obsolete every AIDS drug out there. 

No, you point is like saying 'Car companies make cars with bad gas mileage so they can sell gas'  LOL.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19006304 - 10/20/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I guess you've got me :ohwell:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19007443 - 10/21/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also AID's is an bio-engineered disease that is produced in a laboratory by the man Robert Gallo.

-Government documents provided in video

They use AID's as a bio-weapon, just as they did with Syphilis with the Tuskegee Experiments which
Bill Clinton had to Apologize for, they had infected thousands of black men with Syphilis with out telling to infect the rest of the populations them from the 50's all the way up to the late 70's.


They use Aid's as a Bio-weapon manufactured by the Military Industrail Complex as WMD's for culling of Earth's population.
Proof??? Here is a newsclip MSLSD admitting that Bayer and Baxter Pharmaceuticals purposely infected thousands of little children with AID's world wide, after knowingly infecting vaccines with the AIDS virus. In most of the world like in Africa, and Mexico vaccines are something people want to stay away from b/c most the times those vaccines are experimental bio-weapons.


Yea Big Pharma is Great, if you hate human life and hate freedom and liberty, and true healing of the Earth through natural remedy's, not chemicals made in a lab to destroy your kidney and liver and eventually drain you of your money and eventually kill you.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19007508 - 10/21/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

More wacky conspiracy theories, eh?  You really should stick to the conspiracy forum.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Enlil]
    #19007978 - 10/21/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol you think Bill Clinton apologizing about the government infecting thousands of black men, (and without telling them what they injecting them with so they can infect the rest of the community's) with syphilis is Conspiracy?

You sure do make a great government slave! Everything is a conspiracy if it involves the government and illegal activity with you or worse population control and eugenics


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427] * 1
    #19008080 - 10/21/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First, it wasn't thousands.  It was 600.  Second, the U.S. didn't infect them.  They were already infected, and they were simply not treated.  Third, the Tuskeegee study is completely unrelated to AIDS and your crazy theory that it was created to be used as a bio weapon.

Finally, the Tuskeegee study was, by definition, a conspiracy.  No one disputes that. 

Unless/until you provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE that AIDS was created as a bio weapon IN ANOTHER THREAD IN THE APPROPRIATE FORUM, such assertions by you will be ignored.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Enlil]
    #19008862 - 10/21/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Really so they didn't infect people with syphilis in the form of shots? and purposely didn't tell them, it was a conspiracy even though Clinton came out and apologized for it

An Apology 65 Years Late
SUMMARY
Beginning in 1932, the federal government sponsored a study to examine the impact of syphilis involving black men. The experiment went on until 1972 without the test subjects' knowledge, but no President had apologized to the volunteers and their families until President Clinton did so.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june97/tuskegee_5-16a.html

Also the Guatemalans also decided to sue around the same time the black people of America did, for purposely giving them syphilis at the same time of the Tuskegee Experiments
http://www.naturalnews.com/031668_medical_experiments_Guatamala.html


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19008885 - 10/21/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actual evidence, is that the government lied about the creation of AID's, no one believes any of the monkey bullshit they learned in school. Your just going to have to stop playing lawyer for the government man, everyone know they are fucking the most disgusting parasitic Satanic beings on the universe that hate freedom and hate human ingenuity.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19008924 - 10/21/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Really so they didn't infect people with syphilis in the form of shots? and purposely didn't tell them, it was a conspiracy even though Clinton came out and apologized for it

Are you fucking nuts?  He acknowledged that already.  What does that have to do with AIDS?  Stay on topic if at all possible.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19008928 - 10/21/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Actual evidence, is that the government lied about the creation of AID's, no one believes any of the monkey bullshit they learned in school. Your just going to have to stop playing lawyer for the government man, everyone know they are fucking the most disgusting parasitic Satanic beings on the universe that hate freedom and hate human ingenuity.





What actual evidence?  Where?  Show it or stfu.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19010928 - 10/21/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, I know a place that is having a sale on Tin-Foil hats. 

AIDS is bioengineered?  The first known case of AIDS was a sailor from England that died in 1959.  Was the government bio-engineering AIDS back then?

The reason I know this little fact is that they exhumed his body and tested the remains after AIDS became known.  I did a paper in University on AIDS and its history, and that was the first case I found.  Since then other cases have become apparent on the African continent, some estimate it goes back at least 150 years.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: EddYerb]
    #19012309 - 10/22/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Capitalism and profit motive are the only reasons we have the breakthroughs that we have in pharmaceuticals. Without a profit motive, no one would invest the money it takes to develop these drugs.  Government funded research can't replace private research.  Government funding only gives researchers an incentive to keep researching forever without actually developing anything.

Only by incentivizing the successful development of effective drugs can progress be made in that field.  The best incentive we have is profit motive.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: EddYerb] * 1
    #19012356 - 10/22/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've never heard of a government agency that is more efficient or productive than a private counterpart, but I suppose there is a rare exception to any rule.

Having said that, Tesla was from a different time...He didn't need to have $200,000 worth of education in order to do his research.  He was building from basics.  Unfortunately (or fortunately) we have come to a point where one lifetime isn't enough to develop new technologies.  This is why we need education to allow scientists to start where other scientists have left off.  It takes a lot of money to get that kind of training...and a lot of time.

On top of that, humans are generally self-interested creatures.  The brightest of the species have a lot more options when it comes to where they want to focus their studies.  Most will follow the money.  Certainly, there is the occasional genius who has a passion for a particular field and will work in it regardless of how little it pays.  Most will not, however, and the more minds working on a problem, the more likely it is to be solved.

In today's world, one can choose to go into business and make his/her first million before age 25, or one can go into research and, at age 25, be just getting out of school with a quarter of a million dollar debt.  Given those two options, it's no surprise that we have fewer researchers than MBAs.  Without the incentives currently being paid by private industries, we'd have even fewer researchers.

P.S.  Even Tesla has a profit motive.  After all, he quit working with Edison after Edison allegedly refused to pay Tesla $50k for his work on the electric motor.


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