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Quick question
    #18988729 - 10/16/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, I'm unable to provide pics other than this one due to a home change.




I have two jars out of about 7 that have somewhat survived. The other ones have almost all developed a greenish mold (assuming trich) and I've put them elsewhere. Both of these jars have stalled. One has a orange-ish, nasty looking thing going through it. I was told in my log that it was a yeast infection. The other seems to be somewhat well but the mycelium isn't going any further and I may see a little bit of trich. There's about 2 aborts/pins in each jar. So, I think my options are:



1)birth the cakes, cut the possibly contaminated parts and everything else but the mycelium, and dunk them. Then put them in my SGFC. Possible save?

2) Just take the pins and hope for a little kick and get rid of or bury the cakes.


Like I said, they seem to be completely stalled and I don't think there's any chance of the mycelium colonizing the rest of the cake.



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Re: Quick question [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18988820 - 10/16/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if its not white chances are if your still learning you should just bury
them outside somewhere and try try again.

if you eat contamed fruits from the jar now they could make you very sick

if you try to fruit them and theyre contamed they could spread mold spores

all around your grow area and house.


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Re: Quick question [Re: rumfor69]
    #18988848 - 10/16/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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rumfor69 said:
if its not white chances are if your still learning you should just bury
them outside somewhere and try try again.

if you eat contamed fruits from the jar now they could make you very sick

if you try to fruit them and theyre contamed they could spread mold spores

all around your grow area and house.





But what difference does it make if it fruits from being buried outside or salvaged and thrown in a SGFC, if there is in fact a contaminant? And good point about the spores. I wish I could get some pics. I'm not 100% sure that these are contams. Idk if it's metabolites, yeast infection, or something else. But I thought that generally if it fruits on straight white mycelium, it's safe?


Sucks without pix. The parts that are producing pins are completely well developed rhizomorphic mycelium. The other parts that i'm questioning aren't near the actual fruits but I'm test dunking a cake right now. Regardless, the environment I'm working in is the last time I'll be working in again. If shit spores are released everywhere, it won't make much of a difference other than having to sterilize certain containers. It's basically a choice of trying to get a few more shroomeroos off a cake by continuing the process and cutting the shit off, or picking the aborts and burying the cakes.


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Re: Quick question [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18988915 - 10/16/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pinning before 100% colinazation is almost always a sign of contams.any color other than white  is bad. The orange especially.

1. Cutting a cake to save it almost never works and is never worth the risk. The comtam.will.spread deep.into the cake.
2. Eating shrooms fron a contamed cake is not good for your health. Even from a "healthy" part of your cake. They fruit early to try and propagate before the contam kills them.
 
You can bury them outside and hope .for the best. But IME its not worth it. Once you open the jar u spread billions of nasty spores around. And can track them back inside, potenially contam thr rest of ur cakes. I always cook bad jars before opening them. This kills the spores and is the best course of action IMO. Always  better to be safe than sorry. If i was in your shoes, id.cook.all the jars and start over after reviewing my sterile procedures
Outside, the contams are in a less favorable enviroment, which gives the mush myc a "chance" to over take them. If you choose outside option, douse yourself with water, clothes and all, and strip before rentering the house. The water weight will keep most of the spores from floating around. But as i said, better safe then sorry. If that many/all of your cakes contamed, you definetly.should review your sterile procedures, as the problem is mostlikely there.

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Re: Quick question [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #18988975 - 10/16/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good advice. Thank you. Only one of the cakes has some sketchy stuff going on. The other is just stalled and i'm a bit paranoid but right, better safe than sorry. But just to reiterate, is it really that unsafe to eat pins in jars that aren't fully colonized? My assumption was that if they fruited in the first place from a clean patch of mycelium, that they were generally safe but then again, I have no clue where that assumption came from.


but again, how would they be safe to eat by fruiting outside as opposed to fruiting in a SGFC and trying to rub off (not cut off) the contaminants after dunking?


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Re: Quick question [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18989222 - 10/17/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i would put them outside, i throw all my old substrates in a compost pile and pick mushrooms from there every few days. right now the weather is the perfect temperature


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Re: Quick question [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #18989274 - 10/17/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

.I had a great reply and lost it when my phone died. Bottom line. Shroom frm contamed cakes arent healthy. Outside they could be. Perhaps  a TC can explain it properl. Im out for the night.


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Re: Quick question [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18991317 - 10/17/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Giggle_Grower said:
Ps love your sig lines, rumfor69.





Thanks :bouncysmoke:

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ShroomPuncher said:
Quote:

rumfor69 said:
if its not white chances are if your still learning you should just bury
them outside somewhere and try try again.

if you eat contamed fruits from the jar now they could make you very sick

if you try to fruit them and theyre contamed they could spread mold spores

all around your grow area and house.





But what difference does it make if it fruits from being buried outside or salvaged and thrown in a SGFC, if there is in fact a contaminant?





There isn't a lot of difference. When you bury a cake outdoors your

giving mother natural the chance to overcome the contams with her

magic small helpers that make them grow wild in the first place.

When a grow is indoors these things aren't there to help you and thus

contams happen easier in a sense. Fruits that grow in contamed substrates

are not always going to make you sick. The actual fruit body itself

has to be infected like food poisoning. But you would have to be able

to identify that....if you cant then dont risk it.


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Re: Quick question [Re: rumfor69]
    #18991643 - 10/17/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That makes sense. Thanks for the help! I may take a risk with them. I can't see any clear contams, just stalling but I'm not quite sure.


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