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Tyrion
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Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans
#18988112 - 10/16/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand that it doesn't seem to work very well. I'm curious what exactly the problem is? Is it the lack of proper soil under the homemade substrate that creates the issue? difficulty getting the temps right? or lighting issues? Is it a big waste of time to mess with? Seems like there has to be a way or is just that cubes are so easy that too few people bother trying to work on the new stuff?
I'm leaving the beautiful PNW soon and would love to be able to keep access to Ps cyans down in TX.
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: Tyrion]
#18988138 - 10/16/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have a fridge you could solely dedicate to that, and had a way to light it up inside, then you could maybe do it
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18988170 - 10/16/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: If you have a fridge you could solely dedicate to that, and had a way to light it up inside, then you could maybe do it
that doesn't sound like too much to handle at all... shitty old fridges are cheap, & installing a light shouldn't be any more difficult than installing a keg tap...
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#18988217 - 10/16/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: geazerpleaser]
#18988254 - 10/16/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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geazerpleaser said:
I plan to start my own pan cyan indoor grow using this guys vid
Pan cyans are not the same as psilocybe cyans
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18988285 - 10/16/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said:
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geazerpleaser said:
I plan to start my own pan cyan indoor grow using this guys vid
Pan cyans are not the same as psilocybe cyans
lol oh sorry I mis read the title and thought he was talking about pan cyan
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Tyrion
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18988808 - 10/16/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: If you have a fridge you could solely dedicate to that, and had a way to light it up inside, then you could maybe do it
Craigslist mini fridge and a daylight cfl?
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Tyrion
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: Tyrion]
#18989280 - 10/17/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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has anyone here actually tried it?
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: Tyrion]
#18989467 - 10/17/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#18989471 - 10/17/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This pic has been on erowid forever, not sure if it was in or outdoor but by the look of it and the fact that there are pine needles in it, I would guess outdoor. Nonetheless it at least shows they can be fruited in a tub
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: Tyrion]
#18989657 - 10/17/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They need an abundant and balanced source of decomposing soil microbes and enzymes which is not achievable with indoor conditions, since any molds and bacteria will outbreak and run rampant indoors, where as in nature outside there is balance between them.
In a natural ps. cyan patch, there are tons of different plant life, microbes, bacteria, molds, and enzymes all sharing the same habitat with the cyans in a synchronized balance. They need that to fruit. Whereas indoors theres no natural synchronized balance so any one of those bacteria/molds can go crazy and overrun the others in no time. Its like a race to see which organism wins, whereas outdoors, they all participate at the same pace, including the cyan mycelium. Someone correct me if im giving wrong info but i believe im correct.
Stick with outdoor cultivation unless you wanna do some experimenting which would take years im guessing.
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: OregonMushys]
#18990975 - 10/17/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OregonMushys said: They need an abundant and balanced source of decomposing soil microbes and enzymes which is not achievable with indoor conditions, since any molds and bacteria will outbreak and run rampant indoors, where as in nature outside there is balance between them.
In a natural ps. cyan patch, there are tons of different plant life, microbes, bacteria, molds, and enzymes all sharing the same habitat with the cyans in a synchronized balance. They need that to fruit. Whereas indoors theres no natural synchronized balance so any one of those bacteria/molds can go crazy and overrun the others in no time. Its like a race to see which organism wins, whereas outdoors, they all participate at the same pace, including the cyan mycelium. Someone correct me if im giving wrong info but i believe im correct.
Stick with outdoor cultivation unless you wanna do some experimenting which would take years im guessing.
The same could be said of outdoor cubensis, yet if you give them the optimal conditions while also maintaining cleanliness they will flourish.
On the same principal cyans could flourish indoors if given the right conditions and measures were taken to keep out all of the mold spores and bacteria.
They do not have a symbiotic relationship with any other organisms such as Amanita Muscaria does. They only need their spawn and woodchips to fruit
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Tyrion
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18991049 - 10/17/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess if spores and time are plentiful, it can't hurt to try.
Thanks for the info everyone.
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18991291 - 10/17/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: This pic has been on erowid forever, not sure if it was in or outdoor but by the look of it and the fact that there are pine needles in it, I would guess outdoor. Nonetheless it at least shows they can be fruited in a tub

I won't swear to it, but that sure looks like one of mine from eleven or twelve years ago, originally posted on mycotopia when I was part of the staff there. If so, it was grown in that tote outdoors.
The problem isn't temperature, so don't bother with a fridge. P cyanescens needs the relationship with unknown microbes in the soil. I've never seen it fruit from a sterilized substrate, and it also takes months at best, but usually at least a year to fruit. This always leads to massive outbreaks of green molds when it's attempted indoors. We have enough work keeping mold away during a six week or less fruiting process. Imagine trying to keep mold away indoors for six months.
Simply make some grain spawn and inoculate outdoor beds when you get there. They'll fruit in the winter unless you're going to the valley. RR
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18993234 - 10/17/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simply make some grain spawn and inoculate outdoor beds when you get there. They'll fruit in the winter unless you're going to the valley. RR
They will fruit in winter in Texas? Dallas area? should I buy alder wood chips online or have them shipped from WA or pack some and bring them when i move?
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: Tyrion]
#18994202 - 10/18/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: This pic has been on erowid forever, not sure if it was in or outdoor but by the look of it and the fact that there are pine needles in it, I would guess outdoor. Nonetheless it at least shows they can be fruited in a tub
I won't swear to it, but that sure looks like one of mine from eleven or twelve years ago, originally posted on mycotopia when I was part of the staff there. If so, it was grown in that tote outdoors.
Haha too funny, it has been on erowid for as long as I can remember
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: RogerRabbit]
#20293431 - 07/18/14 08:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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LiquidGlass said: This pic has been on erowid forever, not sure if it was in or outdoor but by the look of it and the fact that there are pine needles in it, I would guess outdoor. Nonetheless it at least shows they can be fruited in a tub

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The problem isn't temperature, so don't bother with a fridge. P cyanescens needs the relationship with unknown microbes in the soil. I've never seen it fruit from a sterilized substrate, and it also takes months at best, but usually at least a year to fruit. This always leads to massive outbreaks of green molds when it's attempted indoors. We have enough work keeping mold away during a six week or less fruiting process. Imagine trying to keep mold away indoors for six months.
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This is a very important piece of information that needs to be posted prominently on a Psilocybe wood lovers info page.
Searching through the thousands of posts on this site there are a number of posts that claim the opposite, and hundreds of links to those posts - it is very time consuming to figure out that this is all BS.
OTOH - it does appear that container growing outside is a viable option, yes?
Is there any advantage in doing so?
I live in a warm climate (USDA zone 10a) but the coldest 11 weeks of the year (December through mid-February) match up with the conditions of the first few weeks of fruiting season in the PNW climate-wise (similar average daily max, average daily min and average daily average temps), so it looks like it is possible to fruit down here if temperature is the controlling factor in initiation.
Can growing in a movable container give me an edge in an otherwise marginal climate? Would cold shocking in a refrigerator help to trigger initiation?
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Re: Been doing research about problems indoor fruiting Ps Cyans [Re: saurons_other_eye]
#20293496 - 07/18/14 08:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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cold shocking won't do squat, if you can get it out in spring and keep it alive till the weather is right it may get the soil microbes they love so much
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