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Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote
    #18988104 - 10/16/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can't beleive your choice if your homeless is go to jail or go to a "camp" you can't leave!! WTF is happening we are moments away from fema camps[gradient:#DB0D0D,#][/gradient]



City council members in Columbia, S.C., recently voted unanimously to criminalize homelessness.

Concerned that Columbia has become a “magnet for homeless people,” and that businesses and the area’s safety are suffering as a result, council members agreed on Aug. 14 to give people on the streets the option to either relocate, or get arrested, according to the city’s “Emergency Homeless Response” report.

Cooperative homeless people will be given the option to go to a remote 240-person bed emergency shelter, which will be open from September to March. The shelter will also be used as a drop-off for people recently released from prison and jail, too.

A hotline will be set up for passersby to “report” a homeless person that needs to be removed, additional police will be dispensed to monitor the streets and vans will escort the homeless to the shelter.

While some advocates have decried the decision, council members say it’s a “temporary” solution that will eventually lead to a more sound resolution.

"This is stopgap," Councilman Cameron Runyan told WISTV. "This is going to open up a window of opportunity for us to come together as a community to develop a long-term response to this problem. This problem has plagued us for a generation and a half at least."

But even this “temporary fix” presents some unaddressed issues.

For one, there are an estimated 1,621 homeless people living in Columbia and the surrounding area, 25 percent of whom are members of families with children, a figure that could overwhelm the designated shelter.

Advocates are also concerned about the fact that these homeless people will, in essence, be “locked up” upon arrival.

According to ThinkProgress, clients at the shelter will not be allowed to leave the premises without permission and a police officer will stand guard at the road leading to the building.

“[This is the] most comprehensive anti-homeless measure that [I have] ever seen proposed in any city in the last 30 years,” Michael Stoops, Director of Community Organizing at the National Coalition for the Homeless, told ThinkProgress. “Using one massive shelter on the outskirts to house all a city’s homeless is something that has never worked anywhere in the country.”

Wayne Fields, CEO of the Oliver Gospel Mission in Columbia, told The Huffington Post that a lot of people are “unhappy” about the decision and whether they intended to or not, the council members are giving off an alarming message to the homeless community.

“The impression this gives is that they don’t want homeless people in Columbia at all,” said Fields who was away when the decision was handed down, but said the organization that’s been serving the community for 25 years has gotten a number of calls from concerned donors.

Fields also noted that while such a drastic decision may be directed to homeless people who aren’t open to getting help, it may actually drive away clients who are trying to get their lives back on track and will interfere with agencies, like his, that are making a difference.

But a number of other cities have taken such punitive measures as of late.

Just last month, Tampa Bay, Fla., passed an ordinance, which will allow police to arrest people sleeping on the streets and put them behind bars.

There, many argued that such a measure both punishes the taxpayers and the homelessness.

"It costs roughly $50 a day to incarcerate one homeless person for one day. And during the last homeless count that took place, we had 356 homeless people in jail," Amanda Mole, editor of the Tampa Epoch, told HuffPost Live. "With those numbers we spent about 6.6 million dollars a year in Hillsborough County alone just on incarcerating the homeless."

Columbia will likely also face some financial struggles as a result of its decision to criminalize homelessness.

According to the homelessness report, running the shelter 24 hours a day, seven days a week for seven months straight will cost the city $1.7 million. But the emergency plan has so far budgeted only $500,000.

However, some downtown business owners say that it’s time to pour more money into tackling the problem, since homelessness advocates have been "wasting" their resources.

“As small business owners on Main Street we see first hand how the homeless crisis is affecting the city,” Jessica and Joe Kastner, owners of Paradise Ice, said according to the report. “Unfortunately it seems the people who make their living off of caring for the homeless are the ones making all the noise at these meetings. They've had 20 years to fix the problem and it has only gotten worse thus ensuring their paychecks stay safe. Please think about the everyday citizens, the revitalization of Columbia and the safety of everyone.”



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/22/columbia-south-carolina-criminalizes-homelessness_n_3795397.html


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1]
    #18988205 - 10/16/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This shit is pretty scary.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1] * 1
    #18988221 - 10/16/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Instead of making more criminals out of members of society, why doesn't the government look into building low-rent housing and finding more jobs to put people to work in this country? Hell, you could put people to work helping build their homes. Sure you'll need a place for those people to stay during the process, where they have access to a bed and food, but at least it would help people get their lives back on track. Those few who would opt not to pay rent and would remain homeless, well, give them a tent and wish them luck, but when there's an opportunity to help people without further fucking up the economy, why not go for it? Just my :twocents:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18988356 - 10/16/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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According to ThinkProgress, clients at the shelter will not be allowed to leave the premises without permission and a police officer will stand guard at the road leading to the building.




People with money are like that basically they don't want any low rent housing and they don't want freedom.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Konyap]
    #18988366 - 10/16/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Gentrification is a pretty scary concept.


Edited by ChinChiller (10/16/13 09:26 PM)


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: ChinChiller] * 1
    #18988397 - 10/16/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wow that is really terrible


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1]
    #18988601 - 10/16/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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WTF is happening we are moments away from fema camps




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City council members in Columbia, S.C., recently voted unanimously to criminalize homelessness.




Great, just great. :thumbdown:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18988695 - 10/16/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Incidentally this is in the wrong place, not mushroom or drug news.

However that aside, shit is fucked up. I honestly do not understand how its possible to make it illegal to be homeless. Literally its a crime to be too poor to make it on your own. Thats real fucked up


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: bloodsheen]
    #18988714 - 10/16/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I guess it's not drug or mushroom news, my apologies I was just so up in arms over this report I wanted to share it.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18988722 - 10/16/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Next step, forced sterilization, i mean these homeless people should't be allowed to breed and make more homeless people right? And while we're at it let's put them to work on something simple, oh let's see what's something these people can do to help south carolina raise the local economy?

And how exactly is putting all these "dangerous" homeless people into one camp supposed to make it any safer for them? Oh that's right they meant the people living in their homes, with all the necessities of 21st century living need this to feel safe, because apparantley the cops aren't protecting them enough.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: bloodsheen]
    #18988736 - 10/16/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I honestly do not understand how its possible to make it illegal to be homeless. Literally its a crime to be too poor to make it on your own. Thats real fucked up




Insane shit but these laws have been around for a long time, its not just one town or another. Additionally in many places it is illegal to use a vehicle as your domicile, so if you're too poor to live in a house and have to live in a vehicle you'll get arrested and towed, kicked out on the street from jail to be homeless - on top of homelessness being either literally illegal or practically.

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #18988755 - 10/16/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just the language these people are using is fucking sick. The "homeless problem." Like these people love to be homeless and chose it so they could interfere with the lives of regular working Americans.

Its kind of like the issue this country is having with pedophiles, except for the opposite reason. Nobody wants pedophiles living in their area, so many states and towns pass ridiculous laws about how close a pedophile can be to a school/playground/whatever. So the stricter the laws, the fewer pedophiles have the option to live there. Which is good, except the whole point of the criminal justice system is to let people out of prison with the assumption that they have paid their debt and do not need further watching. But by creating "no pedo zones" you effectively infringe on these people's rights as free citizens.

However, doing that with homeless people adds another element of fuckedupness. Not only are they infringing on these people's rights, but these people didn't even do anything wrong to get where they are! Nobody to love them, nobody to care for them, and they obviously have extraneous problems or they wouldn't be in the mess they are in. So effectively this measure is saying "GTFO homeless people, our your ass is in prison"

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18988825 - 10/16/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I honestly do not understand how its possible to make it illegal to be homeless. Literally its a crime to be too poor to make it on your own. Thats real fucked up




Insane shit but these laws have been around for a long time, its not just one town or another. Additionally in many places it is illegal to use a vehicle as your domicile, so if you're too poor to live in a house and have to live in a vehicle you'll get arrested and towed, kicked out on the street from jail to be homeless - on top of homelessness being either literally illegal or practically.

:fonz:

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Your absolutley right there is laws about it all over but they are making more and cracking down more then ever right now from seattle to tampa. where I live they passed a law that people can't stand on the corner asking traffic for money/food. penalty is $100 fine.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Camwritesgonzo] * 1
    #18988828 - 10/16/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Instead of making more criminals out of members of society, why doesn't the government look into building low-rent housing and finding more jobs to put people to work in this country? Hell, you could put people to work helping build their homes. Sure you'll need a place for those people to stay during the process, where they have access to a bed and food, but at least it would help people get their lives back on track. Those few who would opt not to pay rent and would remain homeless, well, give them a tent and wish them luck, but when there's an opportunity to help people without further fucking up the economy, why not go for it? Just my :twocents:




That would be the logical solution... but that would also require some effort from the government. So I guess its just easier to make people who are already suffering, feel worse about themselves because theyre "in the way" of the rest of society. :doublefacepalm:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: LSDreams]
    #18988837 - 10/16/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently its cheaper to throw someone in jail than give them a job


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #18988854 - 10/16/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well prisons are going privately owned so if we can get them all in there people will make a lot of money off them just being prisoners.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18988855 - 10/16/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Apparently its cheaper to throw someone in jail than give them a job



Yea, but whos the one to take the risk of giving them a job? Why should private businesses take such a risk? And the state sure as hell doesn't want to do it. How about just leaving them the fuck alone? There are already measures out there to help them out, if they don't want to take those measures then just keep them from freezing or starving to death and leave it alone


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #18988912 - 10/16/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Apparently its cheaper to throw someone in jail than give them a job



Yea, but whos the one to take the risk of giving them a job? Why should private businesses take such a risk? And the state sure as hell doesn't want to do it. How about just leaving them the fuck alone? There are already measures out there to help them out, if they don't want to take those measures then just keep them from freezing or starving to death and leave it alone




A lot of them don't want jobs, others do. Instead of arbitrarily throwing them in jail that money could be funneled into menial shit work they can do - voluntarily.

Otherwise yeah leave em alone


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: bloodsheen]
    #18988953 - 10/16/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's a fuckin' class war--this calls for a good ol' fashioned wobblies style protest--every goddamn "footloose" person in a thousand square kilometers make their way to Columbia, South Carolina and break this ordinance--flood the jails and hit'em where it hurts--the taxpayers.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: whitedevil1]
    #18989268 - 10/17/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was moved from Shroomery News Service.

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #18989305 - 10/17/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is actually a good thing, homeless people are everywhere, they also have more money then most of us here on this site that they from from bitch begging on the side of the road, and get pissed and sometimes fight you when you say no to giving em money. Fuck that most of em are worthless and that extraordinary extra money they have can be used to live in a motel or whatever.  Its bad enough we are overpopulated.

We should create a sport with our guns, called homeless hunts. Pit em against hunters in the wild to reduce the population while having a bit of fun. Or like in apocalypto where you make em run through a field where you can shoot em down. Give them a fighting chance. If they don't want to play along then we put them in a vacated city and have a zombie simulator IRL so those zombie lovers get their wish.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: dark3st]
    #18989399 - 10/17/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's obvious why they're homeless.

They don't deserve a confined space that they pay taxes on and don't own.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: dark3st]
    #18989469 - 10/17/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18989944 - 10/17/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't say it obvious why they are homeless because it happens for a lot of different reasons. I'm not even saying that I approve of people that want to live their life begging others for money. Still doesnt give anyone he right to lock them up in a camp and not let them leave. especially if they are committing no crimes.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18989981 - 10/17/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's obvious why they're homeless.

They don't deserve a confined space that they pay taxes on and don't own.




What is so obvious about it? Having no money?


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: dark3st] * 1
    #18989989 - 10/17/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is actually a good thing, homeless people are everywhere, they also have more money then most of us here on this site that they from from bitch begging on the side of the road, and get pissed and sometimes fight you when you say no to giving em money. Fuck that most of em are worthless and that extraordinary extra money they have can be used to live in a motel or whatever.  Its bad enough we are overpopulated.

We should create a sport with our guns, called homeless hunts. Pit em against hunters in the wild to reduce the population while having a bit of fun. Or like in apocalypto where you make em run through a field where you can shoot em down. Give them a fighting chance. If they don't want to play along then we put them in a vacated city and have a zombie simulator IRL so those zombie lovers get their wish.





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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1]
    #18989990 - 10/17/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My state is awesome.  :facepalm:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1] * 2
    #18990250 - 10/17/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well prisons are going privately owned so if we can get them all in there people will make a lot of money off them just being prisoners.




Yes, they are.

It is becoming profit for some people to incarcerate others.  Its fucking sickening.





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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Herbologist]
    #18990305 - 10/17/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well good thing the coolest thing about being homeless is you can bum travel anywhere you want to.

Why the fuck would anyone wanna be homeless in Columbia, South Carolina anyways


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: s240779]
    #18990442 - 10/17/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18990488 - 10/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to live in Cola, and despite feeling this is the wrong way to handle things, there were problems developing. The issue wasn't with the type of homeless people you see in most areas.

They were having problems with people who were participating in dangerous and sometimes violent criminal behavior that they preferred over getting a job. I remember seeing interviews on the news with small business owners who were having break ins, and people who were being mugged by the  homeless in question. Several of the business owners were trying to organize a program to provide jobs to these people, but then they interviewed some of the homeless who were saying they got what they needed via theft, so why should they have to work?

Because of the climate there being fairly warm even in winter, it was a haven for homeless people, and more and more were flocking to the areas where tourists were constantly getting mugged or robbed. Not really sure what a reasonable solution would have been, but they apparently decided to blanket law everyone and not bother figuring out details.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Nabuca] * 1
    #18990534 - 10/17/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Round up the hobos.  Put them in a "shelter".  Pretty soon people will come to like the program and will want to include welfare mothers, the mentally deranged, and those who are not fit to breed along with those that present a potential national security threat.

Seig Heil!

We are all good socialists now.  This is what socialism is all about.  The nanny state that decides who is worthy and who is not.

The dictatorship of the proletariat can't be far away.  Let's hope Obama doesn't see this or we will have FEMA camps.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #18990580 - 10/17/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Next step, forced sterilization, i mean these homeless people should't be allowed to breed and make more homeless people right? And while we're at it let's put them to work on something simple, oh let's see what's something these people can do to help south carolina raise the local economy?

And how exactly is putting all these "dangerous" homeless people into one camp supposed to make it any safer for them? Oh that's right they meant the people living in their homes, with all the necessities of 21st century living need this to feel safe, because apparantley the cops aren't protecting them enough.




Forced sterilization was a step we took long ago. California was big on it until, Ironically, Hitler got on board...

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Nabuca]
    #18990613 - 10/17/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The article was for south carolina but this is starting to happen all across the country. they have started doing similar things in seattle too.


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    #18990657 - 10/17/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, because we don't already have enough non-violent offenders in our for-profit prisons as it fucking is.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: whitedevil1]
    #18990811 - 10/17/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The article was for south carolina but this is starting to happen all across the country. they have started doing similar things in seattle too.




Lol, source? Ever been to seattle?

I can tell you if they're forcing all the homeless into camps, they're doing a horrible, horrible job of it.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: propensity]
    #18990928 - 10/17/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those laws have been around for awhile, they're less prevalent now than a hundred years ago to my understanding - I'll try to source that when I'm a little less tired. Ugh, this whole thing


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18990979 - 10/17/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You ever hear about people being PROUD to make a dollar a day in prison. That shit is stupid:lol:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Konyap]
    #18990994 - 10/17/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You ever hear about people being PROUD to make a dollar a day in prison. That shit is stupid:lol:



There are some volunteer firefighters out of prisons in CA and a few other states that get reduced sentences :shrug:

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18991003 - 10/17/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

anti-homeless legislation doesn't really take the form out of outright criminalizing the homeless, so much as targeting activities commonly associated with homelessness.

things like eating, sleeping, sitting, camping or panhandling outside in public spaces; as well as selective enforcement of 'neutral' laws such as loitering, public urination, or public intoxication

seattle, for example, prohibits sitting or lying down on a public sidewalk between the hours of 7am to 9pm; i'm not sure what other ordinances it has enacted though


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18991184 - 10/17/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The city where i live passed a new law to prohibit people from wandering in the public parks after 23h.

It is never enforced when it comes down to the normal citizens.

But in regards to the homeless, i saw frequent use of strength by the cops to kick out of a park a sleeping homeless person.

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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Amphibolos]
    #18991315 - 10/17/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Being homeless where I live (Cincinnati) has been illegal for years now. Although they don't put you in a forced camp where you are not allowed to leave. That's super fucked up.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18991326 - 10/17/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OK so it's consensus that the move the city made was fucked up.

How do you folks suggest they tackle the problem?


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18991379 - 10/17/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

homeless shelters were they are allowed to leave when they choose. Lol goddamn I swear this world reminds me of 1984 more and more each day.





luckily the bill was canceled.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18991426 - 10/17/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Start by treating them like people and doing outreach in a non-invasive way--basically, approach them as a friend rather than a charity case--spend time with them as a fellow human.

Then, provide housing--it's definitely within our means--many (if not most) major cities have more unoccupied houses/apts than homeless people--it's also proven to be cheaper than incarceration.

Through the process of outreach and providing housing, identify any specific problems causing homelessness in an individual--addiction, mental health, unemployment, etc--and work with them to find a solution, with the final intention of them eventually being self-supported.

It also has to be accepted that some folks will never be able to reach this stage--at this point, harm reduction practices are the best we can do--provide safe needles (if not drug of choice out right), along with a safe space to get high--while doing our best to educate them on their lifestyle choices. In the case of mental health issues, provide group homes where they can live in a participatory communal environment, with live in help.

Finally, there are some folks who want to be homeless, and we need to accept this as a lifestyle choice. Instead of criminalizing nomadic lifestyles, we can accept it in simple way--public camping areas, public washrooms, public water fountains, public cooking areas--small things that can also be used by the general public--and, once again, to not see someone choosing to live without a home as instantly unbalanced but treat them as another human.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18991434 - 10/17/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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homeless shelters were they are allowed to leave when they choose. Lol goddamn I swear this world reminds me of 1984 more and more each day.





luckily the bill was canceled.




That doesn't address the crime and the detrimental affects on business associated with large homeless populations.  There are plenty of homeless people around my town that if you offer them bus fare they still won't go to the shelters that are all over town.  They'd rather panhandle and whatever else they do.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18992067 - 10/17/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jail is a horrible place to put people, there are guards and all sorts of people on duty that would sky rocket the cost of erm living


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Konyap]
    #18992149 - 10/17/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They should make a law that makes it legal to be homeless anywhere in the US.  This is just another way to spend tax payer money. 

To say that "homeless people" present a threat is like saying "mentally challenged" people present a threat or "African American" people present a threat. 

YOU SHOULD NOT BE CRIMINALIZED FOR NOT HAVING A SPECIFIC RESOURCE. END OF STORY.  NOT HAVING A SPECIFIC RESOURCE DOES NOT MAKE YOU A THREAT.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Nymphaea] * 1
    #18992159 - 10/17/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im afraid they will steal my boxes, i have quite a collection


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18992163 - 10/17/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OK so it's consensus that the move the city made was fucked up.

How do you folks suggest they tackle the problem?




Start projects to have volunteers who need a place to stay build Earthships to live in.  Maybe use one ounce of creative thinking and I bet they could come up with some pretty helpful solutions.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Nymphaea]
    #18992179 - 10/17/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fighting the homeless problem is like fighting the drug war. Nothing will Change.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: dark3st]
    #18992184 - 10/17/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

shit, you rent that book, and your all ready bashing homeless people and drug users.

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    #18992192 - 10/17/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shit, you rent that book, and your all ready bashing homeless people and drug users.

well that escalated quickly




I was bashing them before the book and I'm not bashing them in that post either.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18992195 - 10/17/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In New York City Giuliani would send out the street sweepers out in the middle of the night and then by day all the homeless population would have disappeared off the street without a trace.:shocked:


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Konyap]
    #18992208 - 10/17/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shit, you rent that book, and your all ready bashing homeless people and drug users.

well that escalated quickly




I was bashing them before the book and I'm not bashing them in that post either.



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In New York City Giuliani would send out the street sweepers out in the middle of the night and then by day all the homeless population would have disappeared off the street without a trace.:shocked:





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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18992240 - 10/17/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In the art museum in downtown columbia a few years back, I saw an independent art project.  This group gave homeless people dispozable cameras.  They turned the camera in when it was full, and gave a little bio of what their life was like, how they became homeless, and what their lives are now filled with.  Pictures of chess tables, blankets in the woods, flipping off cop cars, family members,their old homes, etc......

I spent more time looking into the lives of these men and women than I did looking at Monet and the like.  Just knowing that the chef for an NFL team or a mother of three is the identity behind the person who is cold and homeless really shook me hard.  It is a really sad situation.............

And to be balanced...... go hang out at the food lion at 5-points or the RTA and see what the police are talking about....the big thing is society in columbia has to actually confront homelessness with every USC game, with every concert, every state raley.....maybe some cities are just better at hiding their issues...:sad:


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    #18992717 - 10/17/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have to try and find the other article I read but it was about how the police stopped the local church from going to the park and handing out food. they do this once a week but the police stepped in and told them if they handed out any food they would be arrested.


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    #18992828 - 10/17/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have to try and find the other article I read but it was about how the police stopped the local church from going to the park and handing out food. they do this once a week but the police stepped in and told them if they handed out any food they would be arrested.






Yea that's common, food not bombs has been being harrassed by police for years.  Something about not having a permit or commercial kitchen, which is required by law even if you are not asking for money.


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    #18992851 - 10/17/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have to try and find the other article I read but it was about how the police stopped the local church from going to the park and handing out food. they do this once a week but the police stepped in and told them if they handed out any food they would be arrested.






Yea that's common, food not bombs has been being harrassed by police for years.  Something about not having a permit or commercial kitchen, which is required by law even if you are not asking for money.





Thats what I remember reading about in north Carolina as well. because it was at a park they needed to go get like an $800 permit to hand out food, which I guess the church couldn't afford on top of the food they were already buying.


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    #18992880 - 10/17/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, you need a permit, a commercial kitchen, regular inspections, etc.  And they ask about where you got the food, all sorts of stuff. 

To protect the health of the homeless, of course.


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Re: Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness In Unanimous Vote (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18992964 - 10/17/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea, you need a permit, a commercial kitchen, regular inspections, etc.  And they ask about where you got the food, all sorts of stuff. 

To protect the health of the homeless, of course.




Well isn't all the laws they uphold there to protect the people, especially the homeless. I'm sure the camps would be like a much needed vacation for our homeless people.


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