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id request for gymnopolis luteofolius
#18987853 - 10/16/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat:in wood chips on a pumpkin farm
Gills:yellowish to a hint of green
Stem:thick and hollow. off-white with purple brown markings
Cap: purple brown scaly texture
Bruising:dark green on cap, and blue around base of mushroom and mycelium.
General location:greater seattle area
In this one I was trying to show that dark circular bruise. I didnt show up well in the photo but it was definitely greenish.
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jet li
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Yes, sir but still wait for further input. Also, those are freaking beautiful.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: jet li]
#18988003 - 10/16/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what I'd call them.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: Gravija]
#18988041 - 10/16/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija said: That's what I'd call them.
Unless the spores are not dextrinoid or the veil was whitish and pleurocystidia and caulocystidia are absent.
There are apparently three species on the west coast that look a whole lot like luteofolius.
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Gravija
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The stipes look pretty decorated and the veil looks yellowish, but I'd like to hear more about the other species you mention. I think I remember you mentioning this before in regards to G. thiersii, but I don't remember reading the paper.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: Gravija]
#18988129 - 10/16/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The paper on Gymnopilus thiersii is in the paper thread in the gymnopilus forum.
The other one is undescribed and is mentioned near luteofolius in this key:
http://www.svims.ca/council/Gymnop.htm
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broke open head
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are they still active gyms?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Yes!
All Gymnopilus that stain green are active.
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I don't like that key in a few ways.
It separates G. luteofolius from G. aeruginosus by whether the bruising is active or innate, despite both species seeming to bruise slowly/latently and unreliably, and both commonly doing so from weather, or cap to cap contact while growing.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: canid]
#18988230 - 10/16/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija
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Alan Rockefeller said: The other one is undescribed and is mentioned near luteofolius in this key:
http://www.svims.ca/council/Gymnop.htm
The one that "matched hesler's description of luteofolius in all regards except that it stained green and had a whitish veil"? I wonder if there any described species that fit that bill...

Now, I'm not saying G. braendlei is the mushroom Harley Barnhardt is describing in that key. But, it does fit his description and it is described. I think it is more likely that the mushroom he found to be "not referrable to any other Gymnopilus" was actually G. luteofolius, which apparently occurs like a weed in wood chips in Oregon.
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Quote:
broke open head said: Habitat:in wood chips on a pumpkin farm
Gills:yellowish to a hint of green
Stem:thick and hollow. off-white with purple brown markings
Cap: purple brown scaly texture
Bruising:dark green on cap, and blue around base of mushroom and mycelium.
General location:greater seattle area
 In this one I was trying to show that dark circular bruise. I didnt show up well in the photo but it was definitely greenish.
I see the green ring! Every time I find them the caps have the same marks as yours from some little critter chewing on it.
Who do you think it is? Crows, squirrels, kitty cats?
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: thetonebone72]
#18990186 - 10/17/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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very nice, i need to do more research on the ones that look like luteos.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: Joust]
#18991034 - 10/17/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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those are, classically speaking, G. aeruginosus all day long...
it is very, very likely, imo, that Barnhardt viewed both aeruginosus and luteofolius at different times during development and confused the attributes of both species.
Barnhardt is likely confusing Gymnopilus pulchrifolius for G. luteofolius, which lacks both pleurocystidia and caulocystidia and closely resembles G. braendlei but darkens in age...
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: bloodworm]
#18991141 - 10/17/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is it that makes this collection so conclusively aeruginosus? I see all that uniform purple coloration and rule out aeruginosus out if hand. I understand that aeruginosus develops livid purple patches sometimes, is that what we see here? I've never found either species and you've found both so it would be great if you could explain the differences that are not obvious in Hesler's descriptions.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: Gravija]
#18991187 - 10/17/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm not too confident in disclosing that information to everyone, yet. 
you know my number, dawg. 
i will say, that the blackish scales and the deep blue/green cap color; as well as the beautiful blue mycelium and girth of the stems points toward aeruginosus.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis luteofolius [Re: bloodworm] 1
#18991202 - 10/17/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: i'm not too confident in disclosing that information to everyone, yet. 

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