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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987707 - 10/16/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And personally I've always been interested in other cultures and religions. Multiple pagans in my family too which is an extremely interesting religion. And 22 years old. Apologizing would mean something if you didn't come off as a complete dick towards someone else wanting to explore a different culture and ideas
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987746 - 10/16/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: And personally I've always been interested in other cultures and religions. Multiple pagans in my family too which is an extremely interesting religion. And 22 years old. Apologizing would mean something if you didn't come off as a complete dick towards someone else wanting to explore a different culture and ideas
I have absolutely NO problem with someone exploring new ideas that excite them. MY problem is when the person obviously cares about one thing (getting high), has a bullshit hang up against Christianity, and is willing to cheat a system who is LUCKY enough to use a sacred medicine in order to _____(Insert bullshit reason here)______.
Nothing about what you are saying shows to me, or the native people you wanna rip off, that you are ready for some profound insight. You said it yourself, you already know what it is you need to do. Eating a psychedelic and reflecting on the same thing over and over isnt going to "get it done" and may even make you prone to a bad trip.
Not to mention when you take these substances you better make damn sure you are ready mentally, and spiritually. Im pretty sure it was Hunter Thompson who said "Acid finds you". Spiritually you already know what you need to do, and given your current attitude against the son of God I dont forsee anything positive coming from your experience. At BEST you will get a psychedelic afterglow, eat a few more veggies for a couple weeks, and slide back into your old habits until you are right back where you started. But it wont stop there.....OOOOOOOOO no 
....Soon you will be looking at other cultures, trying other drugs, maybe clinging to science or (God forbid) other Gods (and yes Universe worship counts as another God). And you will impede your spiritual growth like none other, walking through live without God is a dangerous state to be in and this shit hole we are all forced to walk in is pretty dangerous.
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Mescalean
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Let me put it this way then. I will not, and do not plan of accepting jesus as the son of "god" now or anytime soon.
Exploitation would me going to "trip balls" I want to meet my spirit guide. I want to witness and learn about the ceremony behind it.
My intention is the furthest thing from exploitation. Cut it with all the hang ups and knit picking / assumptions about my intentions. And all because I don't accept your god? This is exactly why I refuse to accept christ. This is what I'm shown from christianity day in and out.
I truely 110 percent believe that given 12 hours alone in the desert with my own headspace Ill be avle to disect, interpet, and work towards bettering certain aspects of myself.
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sacred medicine
its mescaline it can be synthesized! Nothing sacred about a drug.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: dark3st]
#18987793 - 10/16/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your also not getting a handful of other chems thats included in peyote that makes a difference in the experience.
Id rather use synth mesc for a show or fucking around.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987796 - 10/16/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: Let me put it this way then. I will not, and do not plan of accepting jesus as the son of "god" now or anytime soon.
Exploitation would me going to "trip balls" I want to meet my spirit guide. I want to witness and learn about the ceremony behind it.
My intention is the furthest thing from exploitation. Cut it with all the hang ups and knit picking / assumptions about my intentions. And all because I don't accept your god? This is exactly why I refuse to accept christ. This is what I'm shown from christianity day in and out.
I truely 110 percent believe that given 12 hours alone in the desert with my own headspace Ill be avle to disect, interpet, and work towards bettering certain aspects of myself.
So we are gonna flip flop now eh? Now its about being a fucking anthropologist eh
Good try son, good try. But one day you will fall into line, and the sooner the better. I promise its the folks like you who end up right wing conservative gung hoe psychotic Christian once they turn 55 and want to turn back a lifetime of sin.
Good luck bud, but dont expect me or any other Christian to rub your stomach and sing soothing songs as you injure yourself and others around you. Not to mention go against the word of God You will learn the easy way, or the hard way and you will have no one to blame but yourself when you choose to purposely walk away from God and that will cause the greatest suffering of it all.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987811 - 10/16/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: Your also not getting a handful of other chems thats included in peyote that makes a difference in the experience.
Id rather use synth mesc for a show or fucking around.
Tou are missing the point it can all be synthesized. Its just a drug and nothing more.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: dark3st]
#18987838 - 10/16/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How exactly am I flip flopping? Me wanting to experience a different spiritual experience than goin to church? Your the one who won't shut the fuck up about jebus and all that nonsense. Bible bounce somewhere else. Sorry you couldn't save me.
I have 20 feet of pedro ready for extraction. If I wanted to get fucked up I would waste the gas going to yuma, and be in my nice cozey bed with music and blankets.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987852 - 10/16/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: How exactly am I flip flopping? Me wanting to experience a different spiritual experience than goin to church? Your the one who won't shut the fuck up about jebus and all that nonsense. Bible bounce somewhere else. Sorry you couldn't save me.
Dont take this the wrong way son, but I dont give a rats ass if you choose to walk yourself to Hell.
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Almond Flour said: Good luck bud, but dont expect me or any other Christian to rub your stomach and sing soothing songs as you injure yourself and others around you. Not to mention go against the word of God You will learn the easy way, or the hard way and you will have no one to blame but yourself when you choose to purposely walk away from God and that will cause the greatest suffering of it all. 
What if I'm a good person? I like to think I'm a pretty decent human being, I'm kind to everyone I meet, I help people who need help, I'm generous, I treat everyone how I would like to be treated. I don't kill, steal, rip people off etc....And I do all of this because I think we are all one in the same, I'm you and you are me and all that good stuff and not for any "hedging my bets", appeasing a higher power type deal....
So do I also have to burn in eternal hell fire with the murders, rapists, and other general assholes?
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I think you have a better chance than most christians sandman. Thats IF hell exists. Or any of the bible babble.
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Almond Flour said: Good luck bud, but dont expect me or any other Christian to rub your stomach and sing soothing songs as you injure yourself and others around you. Not to mention go against the word of God You will learn the easy way, or the hard way and you will have no one to blame but yourself when you choose to purposely walk away from God and that will cause the greatest suffering of it all. 
What if I'm a good person? I like to think I'm a pretty decent human being, I'm kind to everyone I meet, I help people who need help, I'm generous, I treat everyone how I would like to be treated. I don't kill, steal, rip people off etc....And I do all of this because I think we are all one in the same, I'm you and you are me and all that good stuff and not for any "hedging my bets", appeasing a higher power type deal....
So do I also have to burn in eternal hell fire with the murders, rapists, and other general assholes?
Yes, and ironically its probably the murders, rapists, and general assholes who are more likely to make it to Heaven (Matthew 21:31). You, me, and everyone else here will fall short of Gods glory. Fuck throw God out of it for a second, do you align up with your own standards? I'm a nice guy too but Ive got some pretty crummy qualities. Sometimes our hearts are in a different places than our actions. Do you look at other women lustfully who are married? Fuck I couldnt STOP looking at my hot married Spanish teacher today.  Did you know you are on par with an adulterer (Matthew 5:27-28). Have you ever hated someone? Did you know God views hate the same as murder (1 John 3:15)
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987910 - 10/16/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: I think you have a better chance than most christians sandman. Thats IF hell exists. Or any of the bible babble.
And this is my problem with you bud. This right here. YOu claim its all bullshit babble, and yet that same bullshit babble is APART of the Church and experience you seek to take part in. If you wanna go eat Peyote with a peyote Shaman, than do it! But dont go and exploit a church who is lucky enough to have legal exemption for a privilege that is VERY hard to obtain.
-------------------- Hippies and Liberals love Pope Francis, so why dont I quote him for you guys. "There is NO SALVATION outside the Catholic Church"
Edited by Almond Flour (10/16/13 07:53 PM)
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987918 - 10/16/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: I think you have a better chance than most christians sandman. Thats IF hell exists. Or any of the bible babble.
I just can't wrap my head around how someone could possibly chose to worship a deity who will sentence generally good people to an ETERNITY of suffering simply for not believing in him. I mean is that really someone you would want to hold in high regard, does that not seem rather petty? I mean we are talking about an ETERNITY of unimaginable suffering.....shit I don't even think most of societies scumbags (murders, rapists, thieves etc..) deserve an eternity! Maybe 100 years tops!
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
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I stated before I wanted a shamanic experience that has nothing to do with christianity. The website says no views are pushed and people of any faith are welcome. I need to look into it more but if it does have to do with christ forget it I'll find a sweatlodge. Which honestly I'm starting to feel is the better bet
You have the same view as me man. Not a very fair or kind god.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: Mescalean]
#18987956 - 10/16/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just get some 2c-b to get your experience.
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Almond Flour said: Good luck bud, but dont expect me or any other Christian to rub your stomach and sing soothing songs as you injure yourself and others around you. Not to mention go against the word of God You will learn the easy way, or the hard way and you will have no one to blame but yourself when you choose to purposely walk away from God and that will cause the greatest suffering of it all. 
What if I'm a good person? I like to think I'm a pretty decent human being, I'm kind to everyone I meet, I help people who need help, I'm generous, I treat everyone how I would like to be treated. I don't kill, steal, rip people off etc....And I do all of this because I think we are all one in the same, I'm you and you are me and all that good stuff and not for any "hedging my bets", appeasing a higher power type deal....
So do I also have to burn in eternal hell fire with the murders, rapists, and other general assholes?
Yes, and ironically its probably the murders, rapists, and general assholes who are more likely to make it to Heaven (Matthew 21:31). You, me, and everyone else here will fall short of Gods glory. Fuck throw God out of it for a second, do you align up with your own standards? I'm a nice guy too but Ive got some pretty crummy qualities. Sometimes our hearts are in a different places than our actions. Do you look at other women lustfully who are married? Fuck I couldnt STOP looking at my hot married Spanish teacher today.  Did you know you are on par with an adulterer (Matthew 5:27-28). Have you ever hated someone? Did you know God views hate the same as murder (1 John 3:15)
Does that not seems completely fucked to you though? Would you not want to defy such a petty, irrational, dictatorial deity? Why on earth would the omnipotent, all powerful, creator of the universe feel the need to create us, give us free will and then send those who do not believe in him to burn in eternal hell fire, does that not seem like the most sick twisted joke anyone could possibly conjure up. I dunno but the God of the bible seems pretty insecure IMO.
I'm certainly far from perfect, I have many shortcomings, but all in all I think I'm a fairly decent human being. If the God of the bible does exist (I, personally am extremely doubtful of this) then I would rather burn in hell then worship such a vile being.....
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree for now
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Almond Flour said: But dont go and exploit a church who is lucky enough to have legal exemption for a privilege that is VERY hard to obtain.
IMO it's a little bizarre that a supposedly secular government has put itself in the position of deciding which spiritual beliefs are sincere and which aren't. If this particular church welcomes people of different beliefs though, I don't see how they would be exploited by such people participating.
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Almond Flour said: God forbid you actually LEARN about the deity that created the cactus instead of getting "High" 
Its all about connecting with nature, with experienced inspirational natives surrounding you. Who wants to learn about some boring christian fables? When the native's connection with nature is soo much more interesting.
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Re: Peyote way church of God. [Re: LSDreams]
#18988172 - 10/16/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh ya because an animal spirit is so much more interesting and not made up at all
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