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Simplepowa
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Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed 2
#18987241 - 10/16/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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by Phillip Smith, October 15, 2013, 03:45pm
And then there were two. Proponents of a second 2014 marijuana legalization initiative filed the measure with the California secretary of state's office last Friday. An earlier 2014 legalization initiative has already entered the signature-gathering phase.
The measure filed last Friday, the Marijuana Control, Legalization and Revenue Act of 2014, would legalize, tax, and regulate marijuana possession, cultivation, and sales. It would also allow adults to grow up to 100 square feet of marijuana each—providing they have the permission of the property owner and the grow is fenced.
The measure explicitly protects the rights of medical marijuana users, stating that it "shall not affect the individual and group medical rights and protection afforded" under Proposition 215 and subsequent legislation.
It would create a California Cannabis Commission with enumerated powers to regulate and control commercial marijuana cultivation and sales. Commission members could not include people currently holding state or local elected office or people who have been involved with a marijuana business in the past two years. The commission must include an attorney, an accountant, a member of law enforcement, a small business owner, and member of the public at large.
The initiative touts itself as the first "open source" California legalization initiative and was largely drafted through an online consultative process by veteran activists. It must now have its title and ballot summary approved by the state attorney general's office, which has 60 days to do, and if approved, signature-gathering can then commence.
Under California initiative law, measures approved for signature-gathering then have 150 days to collect signatures. This year, they need 504,000 valid voter signatures to make the ballot.
The Hererite perennial California Cannabis Hemp Initiative, which would also legalize marijuana in the state, has already entered the signature-gathering phase and has until February to come up with sufficient signatures.
The conventional wisdom among initiative experts and marijuana reform backers is that the huge number of signatures required to make the ballot in California necessitates paid signature gatherers and a budget of at least a million dollars. And that's just to make the ballot. Actually winning an election would likely cost several million dollars more.
The conventional wisdom is also calling for California to hold off until the 2016 presidential year, when expected higher turnout is believed to boost prospects for victory. But some Californians clearly aren't waiting. The question is whether this will turn out to be a repeat of 2012, when multiple legalization initiatives sought to make the ballot, but, lacking funds and unity, none did.
Sacramento, CA United States http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/oct/15/second_2014_california_marijuana
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: Simplepowa]
#18988726 - 10/16/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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See, I personally foresee big problems with legalization when medical marijuana already exists. Remember that they tried that, except in reverse, with alcohol? When prohibition laws passed, people still needed booze for medicine, as at the time it was believed it was good for many ails (as well as being a good solvent for medicine). And people abused the system to get legal booze. Which was fine, except at the time booze was illegal.
After prohibition was repealed, all of those measures were considered moot. But if marijuana is legalized, why should medical marijuana laws exist at all? And isn't the fact that they exist at all sort of a giant farce? Suggesting that medicine for one person is allowed to be good old fun for another? It would be entirely unique as a medication and recreational substance, which is a paradox that should be remedied before the drug laws in this country can really move forward
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18988988 - 10/16/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: See, I personally foresee big problems with legalization when medical marijuana already exists. Remember that they tried that, except in reverse, with alcohol? When prohibition laws passed, people still needed booze for medicine, as at the time it was believed it was good for many ails (as well as being a good solvent for medicine). And people abused the system to get legal booze. Which was fine, except at the time booze was illegal.
After prohibition was repealed, all of those measures were considered moot. But if marijuana is legalized, why should medical marijuana laws exist at all? And isn't the fact that they exist at all sort of a giant farce? Suggesting that medicine for one person is allowed to be good old fun for another? It would be entirely unique as a medication and recreational substance, which is a paradox that should be remedied before the drug laws in this country can really move forward
That's stupid...why should anyone get a headache over some technicality like that that doesn't matter? Benadryll has medical uses, and is primarily viewed as a medicine. However if you want to buy some just to get fucked up, you are free to do so. The same should be for weed. Who cares if it's a medicine for some while a recreational substance for others. All that says is that it has multiple utilities, there's no need to stall full-out legalization because of some nonsense red tape technicality bullshit.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#18989118 - 10/17/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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While you are free to get fucked on Bendadryll, nobody is proposing regulating and taxing it as a recreational substance. These technicalities are what help shit get done, as much as people don't like to see it that way. You have to cover all of your bases if you want long term legalization, right now its basically fucking anarchy. People (especially pot heads) think all you gotta do is sign some piece of paper that says "Hey dude bros, now you can smoke ganj all you want" and its true.
I live in pennsylvania, and right now we are thinking about privatizing alcohol. And while it seems simple, there are a lot of complicated politics involved with it. I mean, when one of the biggest states in the country can't even sell off its wine and spirit distributors, what makes people think that a simple little piece of (technically federally illegal) legislation will solve the country's drug war problems
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18989140 - 10/17/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So how exactly does medical marijuana pose a threat to long-term legalization? Sounds like you just want to repeal marijuana's status as a medicine because you have an obsessive-compulsive desire to strictly define marijuana as one thing or the other, but not both at the same time...from a practical perspective, as long as patients get the medicine they need, healthy people can smoke pot without worrying about getting arrested, and it can be bought at a reasonable price without excessive taxation, then I don't see the problem.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#18989167 - 10/17/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No no, your aggression is misplaced. Ive been saying for years medical marijuana is bullshit and that they should just legalize so people can decide for themselves if its medical or not. When people take like fucking extract of the bizbo berry from a homeopathic place the people there can suggest it has medical benefits but they can't say it for sure. Which is the way it should be, science has yet to determine the effectiveness of the fucking bizbo berry. But I also don't want people to have restricted access to the bizbo berry.
However, the complication comes in when the bizbo berry makes you high as a motherfucker. We have a tendency to regulate substances that make you high regardless of their true dangers (duh). And an entirely unique scenario has come up with marijuana, which is a substance that has no real health detriments, gets you high, and has some (albeit weak overall) evidence of helping patience with medical problems.
What I'm really saying is, legislation likes to be buttfucked into reality due to the stupid way we regulate humanity. And when you buttfuck anything, its likely to have some problems down the road unless you treat it real nice and use a lot of time, love, and lube
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18989221 - 10/17/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we have medical marijuana and recreational at the same time, then people can do precisely that - decide what they want to use it for. As long as adults have unrestricted access to marijuana, then you can buy it just to stare at it and smell it for all you care. Just because some places might call it "medicine" while other places call it an intoxicant doesn't mean that has to define your purpose as a consumer for using it.
You're not being entirely clear about what you think about this approach, but if you think that people should actually oppose this initiative and delay legalization just to repeal medical marijuana first, and THEN go back and legalize it fully, then that is just plain stupid. First, medical marijuana is not going to be repealed in California because it has unanimous support that is only growing. Second it's stupid to wait around and let injustice (nonviolents going to prison) keep happening just so we can fix some red tape bullshit first. I guess we'll agree to disagree, but I'm glad that your opinion is not very popular at all because it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever.
Either that or your point/reasoning was lost due to your higher priority of making a humorous analogy to buttfucking.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#18989327 - 10/17/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea, and in your world we just go ahead and pass budgets. Because, you know, its the logical and easy thing to do.
Or we could shut down the entire government for two weeks and risk default on our loans for an oversized pissing contest.
I'm concerned about the long run here, not the next six months until some legislative body tells them to fuck themselves. Only nauseatingly detailed and precise legislation will get this shit done forever.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18989872 - 10/17/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good, I hope it passes. 100 square feet is awesome. I'd like to see a law like this in ohio too!
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18993271 - 10/17/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: Yea, and in your world we just go ahead and pass budgets. Because, you know, its the logical and easy thing to do.
Or we could shut down the entire government for two weeks and risk default on our loans for an oversized pissing contest.
I'm concerned about the long run here, not the next six months until some legislative body tells them to fuck themselves. Only nauseatingly detailed and precise legislation will get this shit done forever.
You still haven't made a convincing argument that explains why medical marijuana will prevent marijuana legalization from surviving in the long-term.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: Simplepowa]
#18993366 - 10/17/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MMJ is a threat to itself, once it goes federal and gets rescheduled who the hell knows whats going to happen.
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: fapjack]
#18993410 - 10/17/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I knew medical patients who were opposed to full legalization because there have to be much more restrictions for the public to vote for it. 18 year olds can get marijuana in a club, not in a store when legalized. Right now you can grow up to 8 plants with a card (it might be more), with the last legislation there were many more restrictions.
Just leave the medi system be until everyone opens their eyes. If it ain't broke dont fix it.

edit: Im talking about the last legislation that was state level, when I say opposition
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: ChinChiller]
#18995597 - 10/18/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Errolscool said: I knew medical patients who were opposed to full legalization because there have to be much more restrictions for the public to vote for it. 18 year olds can get marijuana in a club, not in a store when legalized. Right now you can grow up to 8 plants with a card (it might be more), with the last legislation there were many more restrictions.
Just leave the medi system be until everyone opens their eyes. If it ain't broke dont fix it.

edit: Im talking about the last legislation that was state level, when I say opposition
I'm not saying the system is broken, I'm saying its incompatible with legalization. The whole point of the system was to create a way of citizens getting weed legally so they can live a tolerable, comfortable life. I.e. why its sometimes known as Compassionate Care. So if you can get it for just some good old fun, how does that effect the existing laws?
For instance, lets say medical marijuana allows for you to have three dry oz and ten plants at all times, whereas recreational use allows for up to one dry oz but no plants at any time. Then lets say you have your three oz and ten plants and some of your buddies (who, by some magical coincidence, also enjoy marijuana but arent sick) come to your place to blaze. Boom, the cops show up.
Are you selling medicine? If they have some in their pocket, how do you prove it isn't the stuff you grew yourself? Because, remember, you are not a licensed distributor, so if you give even a gram away you are breaking both drug laws (since you are giving away prescribed medicine) and tax laws (since the weed you grew never made the state tax profits). Also, can you add together the amounts for medical marijuana and recreational? Does that mean you can have four dry oz?
Most smokers dont think like politicians and cops, but to beat this thing thats how you have to think
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Re: Second 2014 California Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed [Re: bloodsheen]
#18995999 - 10/18/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot of cannabis club members in California are exploiting the compassionate care act in a sense (no terminal illnesses or serious illnesses/pain),its too easy to get a recommendation. I have mine for insomnia, but I do smoke for recreation.
Its a great loophole and until lax legislation is written (it may never be) I dont want it to go away.
That may be selfish, but come become a California resident and get your card.
Its the shit.
Edited by ChinChiller (10/18/13 02:53 PM)
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