|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18986957 - 10/16/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
akira_akuma said: no one wins, if they aren't getting payed. i'd say the primary end of football is to get payed... fail that, to get a scholarship to play for big money.
but nobody wins unless they score touchdowns. and besides, as you mentioned before there are forms of football that people play where money isn't involved. so let's try to move forward. would you agree that the primary end of football is scoring touchdowns?
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18986978 - 10/16/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
i don't play unless money is involved. that would be unscrupulous behavior.so it sure ain't the primary end of playing football, to ME good sir!1
Quote:
we're all functioning based on a set foundation of certain rules that we created in order to achieve a state of oneness.
of these rules is fundamentally damaging bonds to the human psyche; hence, we're ultimately bound to destruction, like the rest of the planet. we'd like to think that all this means something, but it doesn't, and it is bound to your individual interpretation.
ie, rules are subject to change.
Quote:
would you agree that the primary end of football is scoring touchdowns?
to you, maybe. not to everyone.
|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18987018 - 10/16/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
okay fair enough akira. you only play football professionally and rules are subject to change. would you agree that if you were playing football and started kicking the ball around instead of carrying it that it would be a different sport?
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987104 - 10/16/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
not according the name given to the game. 
see, this is my point. we establish these "rules" based on our own reasoning. you could very well say that i am fucking stupid, but how would i be wrong about my assertion? i mean, maybe because the name is the wrong name for the game, but then how do you discern what the name of the game is? do you give it a new one? you could do that.
same thing with religions.
|
Envix
Avoidant Disorder


Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 18,206
Last seen: 10 months, 18 days
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987105 - 10/16/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
millzy, you are trying so hard to argue semantics. it is an unwinnable argument. grasping at semantics is like trying to grasp at water. i tried to warn you guys about the slipperiness of language, and now you all are arguing about football.
-------------------- smack a hoe out this dimension continue my ascension -bhad bhabie rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
|
zZZz
jesus


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Envix]
#18987116 - 10/16/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
if it is unwinnable why do you choose to continue to argue?
|
Envix
Avoidant Disorder


Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 18,206
Last seen: 10 months, 18 days
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
#18987126 - 10/16/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
because i enjoy putting in my 2 cents. im not trying to convince anyone of anything. i'm just putting out my personal opinion that everything is an interpretation of something else which is also an interpretation
so i'm sharing an idea. you can believe it, or you can continue believing whatever you were already believing.
-------------------- smack a hoe out this dimension continue my ascension -bhad bhabie rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Envix]
#18987128 - 10/16/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Envix said: millzy, you are trying so hard to argue semantics. it is an unwinnable argument. grasping at semantics is like trying to grasp at water. i tried to warn you guys about the slipperiness of language, and now you all are arguing about football.
dude, hahah, that was the point. i was merely incurring to the results of following your contention about language.
words are just words, man...
|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18987217 - 10/16/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
you guys are trying to debate semantics. my point remains the same.
religions are like sports in that they are all different games with different sets of goals and rules. football is concerned with scoring touchdowns, soccer is concerned with scoring goals, and baseball is concerned with scoring runs. christianity's concern is salvation from sin, islam's concern is submission, and hinduism's concern is moksha. while being ignorant of sports is generally of no consequence, as our global community becomes smaller, the importance of understanding religious differences is crucial regardless of what you believe.
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
Edited by millzy (10/16/13 05:28 PM)
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987233 - 10/16/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
the importance of understanding religious differences is crucial regardless of what you believe
ok, without arguing semantics.
... uhhh, no. no it isn't. well, unless you're not going to talk about it, maybe.
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,408
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 31 minutes, 13 seconds
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987239 - 10/16/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
millzy said: let's try this as a thought experiment: can we all agree that football is a game with very clear rules and goals?
You're asking a Canadian that question! Don't you know they play retarded football up there? You want to talk about an argument where the other side "moves the goal post" - in Canadian football, they literally moved the goal post.
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18987243 - 10/16/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18987259 - 10/16/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
akira_akuma said:
Quote:
the importance of understanding religious differences is crucial regardless of what you believe
ok, without arguing semantics.
... uhhh, no. no it isn't. well, unless you're not going to talk about it, maybe.
you're wrong, and here's why. i'll just paste what i said seven pages back.
religious literacy makes all the difference. knowing the difference between shia and sunni muslims seems to be vital information for soldiers, military leaders, politicians and the public who supports them through their votes. ignorance of those differences could determine life and death for the soldier, success or failure for the military leader, and the productiveness or counter-productiveness of foreign policies as enacted by politicians via the will of the people. so if we consider this one example out of many when success in confronting the problems of the world is necessarily contingent on understanding religion, it must follow that new atheism is not only a useless worldview but also a monstrously irresponsible worldview. it is indisputable that religion has been and continues to be a major component of the world. therefore religious ignorance, as stephen prothero says in "god is not one" (see link from previous post), like any other form of ignorance, only renders the world less safe.
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987276 - 10/16/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
wow, i really don't give a fuck about any of that shit. seems like a bunch of religious zealotry, to me.
|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18987290 - 10/16/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
you'd give a fuck about it if your life depended on it. and you should give a fuck about it if your votes go towards policies that deal with islamic nations. it's one example out of many where understanding religion would come in handy to confronting the problems we face in a productive manner.
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987303 - 10/16/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
problems i face are whether or not to eat, shit, sleep and pass gas. i dunno wtf these other people's problems are...
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,408
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 31 minutes, 13 seconds
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy] 1
#18987311 - 10/16/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
But the problem with the understanding religious diversity argument is that you could extrapolate that reasoning practically down to each individual. It seems that everyone has their own personal interpretation of god. At what point does having to know these different religious traditions, sects, sub sect, reformed sub sects, orthodox reformed sub sects, hydrid religions, ad infinitum become impossible?
I live in an entirely Jewish neighborhood. There are two synagogues. One is orthodox, the other is a chabad lubavitch. The Orthodox Jews think the lubavitch thing is a cult. The Orthodox Jews don't seem that strange to me, except I have to turn on their ovens on Saturdays. Meanwhile, the lubavitchers dress like the Amish and make their women take special baths after their periods, but they can drive on Saturdays. To me, it's all just fucking retarded insanity.
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
Edited by koods (10/16/13 05:45 PM)
|
millzy


Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 12,409
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18987325 - 10/16/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
akira_akuma said: problems i face are whether or not to eat, shit, sleep and pass gas. i dunno wtf these other people's problems are...
cool story bro.
Quote:
koods said: But the problem with the understanding religious diversity argument is that you could extrapolate that reasoning practically down to each individual. It seems that everyone has their own personal interpretation of god. At what point does having to know these different religious traditions, sects, sub sect, reformed sub sects, orthodox reformed sub sects, hydrid religions, ad infinitum become impossible?
I live in an entirely Jewish neighborhood. There are two synagogues. One is orthodox, the other is a chabad lubavitch. The Orthodox Jews think the lubavitch thing is a cult. The Orthodox Jews don't seem that strange to me, except I have to turn on their ovens on Saturdays. Meanwhile, the lubavitchers dress like the Amish and make their women take baths after their periods, but they can drive on Saturdays. To me, it's all just fucking retarded insanity.
so your argument is because people's beliefs are so individualized that we shouldn't even bother with trying to gain some sort of understanding of the general picture.
you guys have officially shit all over the chess board. congratulations, i guess.
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: millzy]
#18987328 - 10/16/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
the general picture is a chess board? what about the abstract meaning of the picture? is it football?
dude, i don't understand.
|
Envix
Avoidant Disorder


Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 18,206
Last seen: 10 months, 18 days
|
Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods] 1
#18987331 - 10/16/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
the only thing people need to understand is tolerance. tolerance of other people's own interpretation of things. if we can all just agree that words are just symbols, and we just use them (as tools) to express ourselves and our story in the universe, then we can all get over this difference/sectarian shit and get on with our lives and doing what is really important
not arguing over stupid semantical linguistic bullshit
-------------------- smack a hoe out this dimension continue my ascension -bhad bhabie rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
|
|