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Offlinefarmerofduck
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first grow 12 days after inoc
    #18968530 - 10/12/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The first pic is 8 days after I nocd up and the second is 12 days. I have them sitting on my window sill. Nothing special. Is there anything I can do to speed this up? The lids are tight and they have 4 holes for the inoc. Do I need more ge or more patience? 7/11 of my jars have growth but 2 are contams I think ill post later.







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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968561 - 10/12/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good start. Mine looked like that maybe 5 or so days after inoculation. What temperature are you keeping them at?
No need to leave them in the window sill. I just put mine in a closet with a garbage bag around the box they were in. Kept at 23-25 degrees C during the day. Lids were on fairly tight but not super tight. Good luck!


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #18968595 - 10/12/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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farmerofduck said:
The first pic is 8 days after I nocd up and the second is 12 days. I have them sitting on my window sill. Nothing special. Is there anything I can do to speed this up?



Not really.

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farmerofduck said:
Do I need more ge or more patience?



Most likely yes.

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No need to leave them in the window sill. I just put mine in a closet with a garbage bag around the box they were in.



Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: PussyFart]
    #18968676 - 10/12/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.





^ Make sure to do that. For the last few days I've been giving my mycelium a 12/12 schedule of light with 6500K bulbs.


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: PussyFart]
    #18968694 - 10/12/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

12 days just seems a long time to only have tiny spots of growth.  Maybe my substrate mix is off? What is the main factor for mycelium growth rate?


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968714 - 10/12/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen spores take up to 14 days to start even and turned out fine :shrug:


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #18968723 - 10/12/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty much getting a 12/12 light schedule by sitting on the window sill, and between 75-80 degrees room temp.


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968734 - 10/12/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm pretty much getting a 12/12 light schedule by sitting on the window sill, and between 75-80 degrees room temp.



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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: rumfor69]
    #18968743 - 10/12/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I've seen spores take up to 14 days to start even and turned out fine :shrug:




I'm not worried something is wrong, I'm just wondering how some people get full colonization in 2 weeks. I just wanna know why and what different conditions determine the different growth rates. Why do some take longer then others?


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968762 - 10/12/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do some take longer then others?



Multispore genetic crapshoot lottery syndrome.

It's a freaking mindfuck of epic proportions!


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: PussyFart]
    #18968765 - 10/12/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968805 - 10/12/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

rumfor69 said:
I've seen spores take up to 14 days to start even and turned out fine :shrug:




I'm not worried something is wrong, I'm just wondering how some people get full colonization in 2 weeks. I just wanna know why and what different conditions determine the different growth rates. Why do some take longer then others?




Also the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars colonize quite a bit quicker than those tall ones. The tall ones usually take forever to colonize the bottom. Sometimes they stall out completely on the bottom but this may be due to people packing the substrate too tight when they loaded their jars. If you put your substrate in real loose you shouldn't have a problem. It may take a while though


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: PussyFart]
    #18968866 - 10/12/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars colonize quite a bit quicker than those tall ones. The tall ones usually take forever to colonize the bottom. Sometimes they stall out completely on the bottom but this may be due to people packing the substrate too tight when they loaded their jars. If you put your substrate in real loose you shouldn't have a problem. It may take a while though




Yeah I've read that a bunch. Well I didn't really pack it at all so hopefully the bottom won't be to much of a problem when it comes time.



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Multispore genetic crapshoot lottery syndrome.

It's a freaking mindfuck of epic proportions!




Lmao, well thanks guys.


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: Stromrider]
    #18968877 - 10/12/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars colonize quite a bit quicker than those tall ones. The tall ones usually take forever to colonize the bottom. Sometimes they stall out completely on the bottom but this may be due to people packing the substrate too tight when they loaded their jars. If you put your substrate in real loose you shouldn't have a problem. It may take a while though




If it stalls and doesn't colonize the bottom will I still be able to fruit it?


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18968891 - 10/12/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars colonize quite a bit quicker than those tall ones. The tall ones usually take forever to colonize the bottom. Sometimes they stall out completely on the bottom but this may be due to people packing the substrate too tight when they loaded their jars. If you put your substrate in real loose you shouldn't have a problem. It may take a while though




If it stalls and doesn't colonize the bottom will I still be able to fruit it?




Well let's hope it doesn't come to that and if you put the substrate in there really loose it probably won't. If it does stall on the bottom you can flip the jar and tap it on your palm to get it to slide away from the glass on the bottom and it will usually finish up. If you do flip a jar you have to leave it flipped though because you have disturbed your dry verm layer. This is a last resort option. You don't want to birth a cake that is not completely colonized


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #18986770 - 10/16/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

16 days...


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18986999 - 10/16/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

whats the temp setting like you are holding those jars in. In about two weeks my jars were a little more then that. but it always varies


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18987570 - 10/16/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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whats the temp setting like you are holding those jars in. In about two weeks my jars were a little more then that. but it always varies



Bout 80 degrees now


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: farmerofduck]
    #18988231 - 10/16/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it definitely varies, but id say youre on the right track!


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Re: first grow 12 days after inoc [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #18988314 - 10/16/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, i'd be patient, brf jars take a while.  I've had plenty of batches take forever, well over a month to colonize,  I've got a batch of golden teachers that's sooooo slow right now.  I inoculated them on 9/8 and they're about 2/3-3/4 done.  I have some ecuadors that i did on the same day that have been done for a couple weeks now, I gotta birth them but I'm lazy :tongue:  and I've got these in an incubator at perfect conditions and everything...  The other 1/2 pint jars were mentioned and in my experience i've had much better success and faster/more even colonization with the shorter wider jars.  I really suggest getting some of these for your next batch... Also, i've found that temps one of the biggest factors for colonization speed, you're reporting good temps, so not to worry, but if anything's gonna slow down growth, it's less than optimal temps.

Also, i'm guessing you got these spore syringes off a website.  Another thing i've experienced is super slow colonization from any syringe I order.  Make spore prints from this batch, and i like mine dark with spores :smile: and have found that these always colonize much faster!  Most websites put as few spores as possible in each syringe.  Granted you don't need a syringe black w spores, but it doesn't hurt if you have a good amount in them.

Patience, they are looking good so far... :thumbup:

p.s. you mentioned that some people claim 14 day full colonization.  meh, i've never had that w/ spore prints onto brf jars.  Even w Grain to Grain transfers 14 days is good...  Don't worry too much about not hitting these "benchmarks" that people claim.  most of them are exaggerated by at least a little bit anyway.


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