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I got burned once buying off the street
    #18986686 - 10/16/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All stems and no caps.  The caps make the explosions and implosions.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: sunshine]
    #18986792 - 10/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

False


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18986803 - 10/16/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I base it on when I munch I examine the caps and then when you trip you see the caps turning upside down and inside and out and then in.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: sunshine]
    #18986819 - 10/16/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Orly:heytheresexy:


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: heratogwea]
    #18986825 - 10/16/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The stems have the blue color.  The blue color is what makes some of the trip happen, too.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: sunshine]
    #18986838 - 10/16/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The "blue color" does not make the trips happen. Psilocybin makes trips happen. The blue color is psilocybin oxidizing. And it is all in your head that stems do something different than caps


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: sunshine]
    #18986840 - 10/16/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:trolldance:


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: heratogwea]
    #18986855 - 10/16/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Try looking at your shrooms.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: sunshine]
    #18986862 - 10/16/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:mindblown:


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18986883 - 10/16/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The stems have less concentration of alkaloids than the caps is all.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18986888 - 10/16/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
The stems have less concentration of alkaloids than the caps is all.




False. CItation needed . . .


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18986910 - 10/16/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin

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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18986914 - 10/16/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sunshine said:
The stems have the blue color.  The blue color is what makes some of the trip happen, too.




You are talking out of your ass. Yes, though, they do turn blue. Non psilocybin mushrooms can be blue as well.

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MagicalOrangutan said:
The stems have less concentration of alkaloids than the caps is all.




The common consensus here is that, when dealing with cracker dried mushrooms, weight is the best determining factor for how much you're ingesting. Therefore, since caps weight a bit more, will seem stronger when just eyeballing it out.

Me and my friends used to "draft" shrooms whenever we'd get them... Now that I know it's more about the weight, I weigh them all out before hand.

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MagicalOrangutan said:
http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin

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I have never heard of this before. I have seen many long time users here say that weight is the best judge.

Interesting read:thumbup: Still don't trust those japs tho.:laugh:


Edited by mason man (10/16/13 04:25 PM)


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18987791 - 10/16/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin

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Well then . . .
:wellthatsweird:


Thanks for clearing that up

I do find it interesting that cubensis #1 in the study actually had more psilocin in the stem than in the cap.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18987907 - 10/16/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In some individuals that may be so. It implies that the genetics that are responsible for these alkaloids in the stem and cap may be interrelated, but are to some extent independent, such that the concentrations in the stem and cap can vary independently.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18987971 - 10/16/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin

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I did the significance test out...nowhere near the commonly accepted .05 level. That data is not conclusive.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18988009 - 10/16/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I did the significance test out




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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18988018 - 10/16/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not a huge average difference even if those samples are representative of the average of cubensis specimens in general. But apparently the genetics that determine the concentrations in the cap, are in part independent from the genetics for the stem, because the concentrations in the cap are not functionally dictated by the concentrations in thestem and vice versa.


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18988052 - 10/16/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not a huge average difference even if those samples are representative of the average of cubensis specimens in general. But apparently the genetics that determine the concentrations in the cap, are in part independent from the genetics for the stem, because the concentrations in the cap are not functionally dictated by the concentrations in thestem and vice versa.




Wonder if that is true for an isolate as well


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Re: I got burned once buying off the street [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18988054 - 10/16/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

0.17-1.35% in the cap
0.09–1.27% in the stem.

this is not a big difference and varies so greatly all that it proves is potency varies.

biologically it makes sense to concentrate in the cap if psilo is a defense mechanism, but everything I have read shows a >10% difference which I barely feel is worth noting when weighing a dose.


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