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TheStormsEye
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Stalling mono?
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I have this mono tub that I would have put into fruiting already, but this time I used bags that are pretty transparent. Because of this, I am able to view where the mycelium has and has not colonized.
There are two identical tubs, but are about 11hrs apart. The oldest one looks like it may be stalling or sumthing.. It was almost fully colonized in about 4-5 days, but seemed to slow down dramatically in the past few days (near the edges of the bottom).
Has anyone else experienced this? Should I continue to wait, or just fruit?
Like I said, I probably would have put it into fruiting if I had not seen this.
sorry for the poor picture..
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LiquidGlass
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What does the top look like? What does it smell like?
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Pastywhyte
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 It could be any number of reasons why it might be stalled; sub too wet, bacteria, improperly mixed, etc. From the looks of the pic I wanna go with poorly mixed. Regardless I say to give it a few more days before worrying too much and if you see pins then fruit it
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TheStormsEye
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smells awesome like mushrooms. Would you like me to take a pic of them (the tops)? I can have it posted in like 10mins.
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Pastywhyte
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TheStormsEye said: smells awesome like mushrooms. Would you like me to take a pic of them (the tops)? I can have it posted in like 10mins.
Can't hurt
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TheStormsEye
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Pastywhyte said:
 It could be any number of reasons why it might be stalled; sub too wet, bacteria, improperly mixed, etc. From the looks of the pic I wanna go with poorly mixed. Regardless I say to give it a few more days before worrying too much and if you see pins then fruit it 
I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have. Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.
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TheStormsEye
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K, just give me a minute ( or ten) haha.
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Pastywhyte
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TheStormsEye said: I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have. Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.
Layering only slows things down. I mix as thoroughly as I can, and I pay careful attention to the corners and edge. Its real easy to miss getting them mixed properly if your in a rush or not paying attention.
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I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering
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TheStormsEye
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TheStormsEye said: I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have. Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.
Layering only slows things down. I mix as thoroughly as I can, and I pay careful attention to the corners and edge. Its real easy to miss getting them mixed properly if your in a rush or not paying attention.
Yea, with tub #1 I was in a bit of a hurry 
here they are. #1 (the "stalling" one)

#2
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TheStormsEye
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Thanks to both of you for responding
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Those look sweet Just give tub 1 a day or two and get tub 2 fruiting
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LiquidGlass
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Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset
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Pastywhyte said: Those look sweet Just give tub 1 a day or two and get tub 2 fruiting 
was actually thinking the same.. thank you. was just a bit curious of what others would suggest.
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LiquidGlass said: Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset
I understand this, the top isn't too densely colonized, well at least I hope.
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LiquidGlass said: I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering
I don't even bother with this anymore, just adds a day or two to the spawn run
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LiquidGlass said: Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset
Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse. It wasn't dialed in properly and had really low RH.
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Pastywhyte said:
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LiquidGlass said: I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering
I don't even bother with this anymore, just adds a day or two to the spawn run
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LiquidGlass said: Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset
Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse. It wasn't dialed in properly and had really low RH.
My tubd colonize in less than a week so I am not worried about and extra day or two vs. less grains being exposed.
And I have seen overlay happen in bulk firsthand, and RH was kept between 90-100%, so it is definitely possible
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TheStormsEye
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I've nvr really seen it or had it happen, but I am aware that it is possible in some cases.
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Pastywhyte said: Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse.
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LiquidGlass said: And I have seen overlay happen in bulk firsthand, and RH was kept between 90-100%, so it is definitely possible
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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830
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RogerRabbit said: By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said: I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279
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RogerRabbit said: Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
Whatever you do don't deep scratch. That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago. RR
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LiquidGlass
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That is all great that RR hasnt seen it that much, and niether have I for that amtter. I am not saying it happens all of the time, just that I have seen it and it is possible.
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