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Stalling mono?
    #18986472 - 10/16/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have this mono tub that I would have put into fruiting already,
but this time I used bags that are pretty transparent.
Because of this, I am able to view where the mycelium has and has not colonized.

There are two identical tubs, but are about 11hrs apart.
The oldest one looks like it may be stalling or sumthing..
It was almost fully colonized in about 4-5 days,
but seemed to slow down dramatically in the past few days (near the edges of the bottom).

Has anyone else experienced this?
Should I continue to wait, or just fruit?

Like I said, I probably would have put it into fruiting if I had not seen this.

sorry for the poor picture..


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986676 - 10/16/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What does the top look like?
What does it smell like?


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986683 - 10/16/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:
It could be any number of reasons why it might be stalled; sub too wet, bacteria, improperly mixed, etc. From the looks of the pic I wanna go with poorly mixed. Regardless I say to give it a few more days before worrying too much and if you see pins then fruit it :thumbup:


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18986685 - 10/16/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

smells awesome like mushrooms.
Would you like me to take a pic of them (the tops)?
I can have it posted in like 10mins.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986694 - 10/16/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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smells awesome like mushrooms.
Would you like me to take a pic of them (the tops)?
I can have it posted in like 10mins.



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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986700 - 10/16/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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:whathesaid:
It could be any number of reasons why it might be stalled; sub too wet, bacteria, improperly mixed, etc. From the looks of the pic I wanna go with poorly mixed. Regardless I say to give it a few more days before worrying too much and if you see pins then fruit it :thumbup:




I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have.
Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986703 - 10/16/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

K, just give me a minute ( or ten) haha.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986722 - 10/16/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have.
Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.




Layering only slows things down. I mix as thoroughly as I can, and I pay careful attention to the corners and edge. Its real easy to miss getting them mixed properly if your in a rush or not paying attention.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986728 - 10/16/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986759 - 10/16/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, It may be because I didn't mix as thoroughly as I probably should have.
Although, I tried to layer it well to avoid this problem.




Layering only slows things down. I mix as thoroughly as I can, and I pay careful attention to the corners and edge. Its real easy to miss getting them mixed properly if your in a rush or not paying attention.




Yea, with tub #1 I was in a bit of a hurry :rolleyes:

here they are.
#1 (the "stalling" one)


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986769 - 10/16/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks to both of you for responding


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18986771 - 10/16/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those look sweet :thumbup: Just give tub 1 a day or two and get tub 2 fruiting :awesomenod:


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986788 - 10/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18986815 - 10/16/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those look sweet :thumbup: Just give tub 1 a day or two and get tub 2 fruiting :awesomenod:




was actually thinking the same.. thank you.
was just a bit curious of what others would suggest.

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Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset




I understand this,
the top isn't too densely colonized, well at least I hope.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18986861 - 10/16/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering




I don't even bother with this anymore, just adds a day or two to the spawn run

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Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset




Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse. It wasn't dialed in properly and had really low RH.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986870 - 10/16/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to layer, but now I just mix it all evenly and just put an extremely thin layer on the top, w/ a few of the grains even still showing. I get a lot better results than layering




I don't even bother with this anymore, just adds a day or two to the spawn run

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Yeah you dont want to let the top over colonize, it can get something called overlay which could affect the pinset




Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse. It wasn't dialed in properly and had really low RH.





My tubd colonize in less than a week so I am not worried about and extra day or two vs. less grains being exposed.

And I have seen overlay happen in bulk firsthand, and RH was kept between 90-100%, so it is definitely possible


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986876 - 10/16/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've nvr really seen it or had it happen,
but I am aware that it is possible in some cases.


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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18986911 - 10/16/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Overlay is next to impossible to get with bulk. The only time I ever saw someone with overlay they were attempting to fruit blocks of uncased grain in a greenhouse.



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And I have seen overlay happen in bulk firsthand, and RH was kept between 90-100%, so it is definitely possible






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Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.

A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. :lol:

What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.

I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day.  Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay.  Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709

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I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate.  It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830

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RogerRabbit said:
By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177

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RogerRabbit said:
I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279

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Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized.  Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.

Whatever you do don't deep scratch.  That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago.
RR




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Re: Stalling mono? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18987817 - 10/16/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is all great that RR hasnt seen it that much, and niether have I for that amtter. I am not saying it happens all of the time, just that I have seen it and it is possible.


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