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Questions about Micro-dosing * 1
    #18986077 - 10/16/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, I know there have been plenty of threads on micro-dosing already, but I can't seem to be able to find the answer to some questions that I am searching for. I haven't taken shroom's in over a year, and since the last time I took them there have been some issues in my life which lead to depression and some daily anxiety which sometimes makes it difficult to even leave the house.

Due to that, I have been apprehensive about taking them (shrooms) again, mostly do to the fact that even when I smoke weed now I get extremely anxious and paranoid, have tried various indica/sativa strains and only a few make me feel somewhat fine yet I can't handle more than a few hits, where as before the anxiety/depression set in I was able to smoke all day no problem. I know they are 2 totally different substances yet I still feel a bit anxious about a full blown trip.

I have read some users micro-dosing 0.1 to 0.3 grams of shrooms to help with depression, my question is if anyone knows how it affects their anxiety as well? Is it at all "psychedelic" feeling? Is there anyone else here who gets extremely anxious/paranoid on weed but fine on small doses of shrooms? I don't want to really "trip" but just have a mood lift, any one have any input?


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation] * 1
    #18986366 - 10/16/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

DO NOT MICRODOSE

I wanted to do a little experiment myself because I too suffer from bouts of depression and social anxiety. I did my research on microdosing, read all the threads possible, might have made my own I'm not sure. I knew the only true data though would be through personal experience. So at first I did .15 every other day for a week (this was from August 30th (roughly) to september 25-26. At first I was like woah shit this is awesome. I was motivated, I was creative, I could feel it doing its work. I thought maybe it was a little bit of a placebo but I was really social in schoool so I was like "fuck it, if it is placebo idgaf because its making me more outgoing! it works."

That was week one. I took the weekend off free of microdosing and decided that that would be my schedule. Mon, Off, Wed, off, Fri, off, off, repeat. Week 2 was strange. At first I was like fuck yeah this is working but about midway through I was starting to over analyze everything, and I got really bad hppd. If I spaced out and just stared off into space, things would start patterning and everything would start shifting around. And it was constant. My tracers are still really apparent. I started to over analyze and critisize myself. I felt as though I was fake, my life was pointless etc. My school grades slipped very quickly. I went from straight A's to straight B's in a week. That is EXTREMELY uncharacteristic of me. I started to hate myself little by little. I began slipping into depression.
Week 3 (final week I think) I broke up with my GF because I felt that what I had wasn't real. I started heavily smoking again, which augmented my depression and made me really distant. People would tell me I looked really sad and depressed, and to cheer up. I started to hate my job, and I called off an entire week. I skipped school an entire week and just played GTA and smoked constantly. I had the most ridiculous mood swings, noticed by exgf, mother, and numerous friends. I went downhill really quick and attribute it to the microdose because before that I was absolutely fine and sane, and that was the only difference I consciously changed.

Thankfully I stopped and for the last 2 weeks have been in the same state of mind. Really self destructive, I hated myself, I became extremely pessimistic. Last weekend I dosed about 3 grams. I had no visuals which may be from the microdosing tolerance, or 9-month-old shrooms lost some potency :shrug:

Point is that that 3 g trip fixed my mind. I feel like I'm me again. Its the best feeling ever. I had a really up lifting trip. The mushrooms told me that I need to feel more confident in myself, that I can do anything I can set my mind too. Mushrooms healed me.


Basically, A big trip will be more beneficial to you (regardless if it is good or bad because it will teach you). It is now my belief that microdosing is abusing mushrooms. You do not need that kind of power to be inside of you all the time. It can destroy you. Now, your experience may be amazingly different and extremely beneficial, but I want to advise you to avoid microdosing. Mushrooms can completely change your mind for better or worse. No matter how small the dose; set and setting always impact you, even below your conscious awareness. Mushrooms are not meant to be taken everyday, or even every other day. Or even once a week. I strongly advise against microdosing. You have one brain and you can't get a new one. You are stuck with it the rest of your life. You do not want to fuck around with it.

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END NOTE: Anyone ever realize that in every microdose experiment, the OP suddenly vanishes after a month or so, never to return again? I'm glad I didn't get that far. Luckily I think I caught the damage in time to fix it. And thanks to shrooms, I can.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer] * 1
    #18986525 - 10/16/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You have a good point about the OP vanishing, which is why I feel I haven't been able to get the answers I am looking for, I read about them starting it but then there is no follow up.

I'm glad you mentioned your experience because that was one more fear of mine; the adverse effects of continual micro-dosing, has anyone else here experienced similar negative effects after micro-dosing every other day?

The way I have been feeling the last couple of months seems a lot like your description of how you felt after the negative effects started kicking in (minus the tracers, although sometimes if I'm out doing a lot of exercise ill start seeing kinda weird almost "watery" like a stone droping in a pool of water around my periphery, probably because I'm out of shape from smoking ciggies too long, which probably also doesn't help in the long run with anxiety.

Back to the point, some seem to recommend a full on trip once rather than micro-dosing, that's where some apprehensive feelings start kicking in about having an actual "trip", day to day I feel anxiety, some days worse then others but more than that its just weird neurotic feelings, with no real apparent reason really. So in the back of my mind (although it may be foolish to feel so) I feel it may in the long term make my anxiety worse, seeing as before I started feeling this way the anxiety from a 3g trip coming on was enough to get me pretty nervous when I could handle it back then.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation] * 1
    #18986537 - 10/16/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I understand, advocates of psychedelic therapy (using predominately psilocybin mushrooms) don't do micro doses and instead focus on achieving some sort of therapy with larger doses.


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    #18986573 - 10/16/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have been looking for articles about that, the only ones I can seem to find are those john hopkins ones using them for terminally ill people, would you happen to know where I could find more in depth  information about psychedelic therapy?


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    #18986613 - 10/16/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude I feel the same fuckin way. I was having weird fuckin thoughts from the microdoses. I was thinking about what it would be like to cut myself. WHat it would be like to masturbate naked in a church. What it would be like to beat up my best friend. I don't know its weird to think about now because my trip changed me. I wasn't even enjoying music for the last couple weeks. It was weird. I am so glad I had that amazing trip.

I suggest being somewhere were a bad trip is unlikely. That would be your happy place. For me that was a state forest. That is where I feel at home. I went there on a gorgeous october day; a crisp blue sky and the radiant sun just filled me with good vibes. I downed a shot of scotch to help kill the  and fear and just dosed a little at a time over the course of an hour until all 3 grams were in me. Then just think happy and try not to fight. I always fight which is where I go wrong. Probably you too. Just relax in your happy place with some tunes and shrooms and drop out


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    #18986641 - 10/16/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why would you microdose, that is the question

listen carefully in the trips instead

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    #18986750 - 10/16/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mostly out of curiosity and to see what it could be like instead of taking the anti anxiety synthetic pills that have been prescribed, I'm just curious as to how 250mg of shrooms compares to say 250mg of xanax.


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    #18986813 - 10/16/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

whoa whoa, micro dosing is awesome, these negative effects have happened to me, some days I would dose, and have some very bad depression, for a few days while being weeks into it, like maybe after arguing with my girlfriend, it would amplify my shitty feelings, but all in all ive had suburb results from microdosing, however, my theory for doing it was, do a full blown trip, learn a lot, wait a week, than start microdosing for a week or two, take a break and full dose again. Because after about a week of a full dose, the filters start getting put back, and your old you your trying to change comes back, and your not ready for a full trip, it was designed to help keep me motivated to change myself, and to help heal, and it works wonders.  The theory I have come back with is that microdosing everyday for two weeks equals a full trip in my opinion, in its own way. as far as emotionally, just really long and drawn out, it still rips some stuff from inside you, more gently, but more drawn out, so you have the amazingness aspect, than, a bit of a rough patch, emotionally, but I found continuing to micro dose through that, you come out the other side, feeling better than ever. just like tripping, instead of a rough hour, you have a slightly rough few days, which is not a huge price to pay for some of the best days you've had in forever for weeks. full blown trips are essential to micro dosing, because it slowly leaks stuff out of your subconscious, and tripping cleans house. but I think that without a direct motivation behind the dosing, like continuing to better yourself, get extra exercise while micro dosing, eat extra healthy, let it guide you to keep your will power up throughout it, I believe it will treat you amazing, just like tripping, it should be respected. the longest I went was 2 months everyday, yes there is a bit of tolerance, not as much as youd think. and no it isn't for everyone clearly.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11] * 1
    #18987108 - 10/16/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's an interesting look on it, so instead of just starting out micro-dosing you had a higher dose trip and then sort of used the micro-dosing as "boosters"? How much did you dose at the start (the full trip before micro dosing)? Do you ever deal with anxiety on a daily basis? Does weed affect you in any negative way?


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    #18987204 - 10/16/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

see I didn't appreciate those mood swings at all. I'm always calm and cool and basically laid back. With microdosing I became so sad one day and then angry another and then super happy. And weed became real psychedelic with microdosing man. That was one positive haha


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    #18987210 - 10/16/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

James Fadiman reported in his book "the psychedelic explorer's guide" in chapter 15 about peoples experiences with micro dosing both on LSD and mushrooms.


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    #18987517 - 10/16/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, I did a 3 gram hippy flip alone to start, which was the most amazing trip ive ever had, didn't do to many follow up trips, but I do believe even a small one could help. Also, the mood dips, almost never happened for me, I think mostly because im always moving and working a lot harder during dosing days, so I actually felt better about myself, a lot better, I have suffered a lot of extreme depression, had years of addictions, so I understand the anxiety, I don't suffer from it much anymore, but used to, and with weed, im one of the very few people ive ever heard of who loves psyches. yet cant smoke weed, used to love it, but it seems to make me depressed, and feel REALLY weird around everyone, and more spacey than I am, have a hard enough time relating to people before the weed. really I don't think its my medicine, people have literally told me its because im afraid of myself, which is laughable, some just don't understand, weed is not for everyone. if I was afraid of myself, I woulda never ever touched mushrooms after my first time.

Also tried with LSD, its an awesome one for getting a ton of shit done during the day, more stimulating in a different kind of way, but all in all, mushrooms are better I think, lsd develops rapid tolerance, u NEED the 3 day break. and I feel the L might have more side effects. just a side note.


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    #18987759 - 10/16/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I seem to have random mood swings regardless of what I am on, I have been off any meds now for a long time, I only smoke a few hits of weed before bed but I am not enjoying it like I used to, I used to LOVE weed and never thought it would ever turn sour for me, since it started making me paranoid in large amounts I have not tried psychedelics, Its probably stupid to keep smoking weed when it still makes me paranoid, if I do it during the day when I have stuff to do I cannot function and the anxiety is through the roof, dont want to doal with anyone and just wanna be left alone, yet at night i feel like when im laying in bed after a few hits once the anxiety subsides i can think much more deeply and feel really good about life, in those brief moments before falling asleep, it seems to be the best part of my day when I actually feel happy, even though its just a few hours or less... I wouldnt be able to handle a full bowl or a full joint when I used to smoke countless number of bowls a day. I took it as a sign that I was abusing the herb and needed to take a break, which I did for about 6 months but due to addictive personality and wanting to enjoy it like I used to I just started doing it again. I'm still constantly battling whether the paranoia is making the anxiety worse the next day or if in those moments where I am really calm and can think deeper while semi stoned are helping, its kinda hard for me to concentrate and follow these kinda things through, I dont even know if im making sense right now..


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11] * 1
    #18988214 - 10/16/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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well, I did a 3 gram hippy flip alone to start, which was the most amazing trip ive ever had, didn't do to many follow up trips, but I do believe even a small one could help. Also, the mood dips, almost never happened for me, I think mostly because im always moving and working a lot harder during dosing days, so I actually felt better about myself, a lot better, I have suffered a lot of extreme depression, had years of addictions, so I understand the anxiety, I don't suffer from it much anymore, but used to, and with weed, im one of the very few people ive ever heard of who loves psyches. yet cant smoke weed, used to love it, but it seems to make me depressed, and feel REALLY weird around everyone, and more spacey than I am, have a hard enough time relating to people before the weed. really I don't think its my medicine, people have literally told me its because im afraid of myself, which is laughable, some just don't understand, weed is not for everyone. if I was afraid of myself, I woulda never ever touched mushrooms after my first time.

Also tried with LSD, its an awesome one for getting a ton of shit done during the day, more stimulating in a different kind of way, but all in all, mushrooms are better I think, lsd develops rapid tolerance, u NEED the 3 day break. and I feel the L might have more side effects. just a side note.




Exact same for me

Used to smoke weed everyday

After LSD I quit :-)

Can't smoke weed anymore, because LSD made me see my mistakes

If I can smoke it I can only do it every 3-6 months max... or my body/head doesn't feel good/get social anxiety etc.

No problems as long as I don't smoke... feel pretty motivated without

After taking LSD you remove your subconscious filter I think
so every mistake you make will be easily apparent
i.e. sitting down all day smoking by yourself... not a good idea :wink:
smoking prevented me from doing my activities often, and changed my thoughts for the worse
thoughts were changed for a few weeks after stopping use

I think I might like Salvia better... gives good mood, and head doesn't feel funny/heavy next day, but just personal preference I guess.. it doesn't change my thoughts negatively either, only positively each time
Doesn't give me the urge to smoke more next day either..
Usually only smoke it every 6-12 months :-)

In the end it comes down to set,setting,dose ... I did abuse the weed a bit due to kidney stone pain, so that is probably why I had bad reactions, I just hear those reactions from a lot of people I know
(mostly people who smoked it everyday... everyday use of the weed is a mistake IMO, but we can't see it as long as we do it :-)
Stopping a few days to see if it influences ones thoughts is a good way to know


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    #18988322 - 10/16/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know about microdosing because i never have done that. but i would really encourage you to read my trip report. iv been kinda in the same mind set as you lately. im glad i took a good trip.

http://www.shroomery.org/12819/bad-trip-gone-good


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    #18988602 - 10/16/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

@evileye001 this part of your report pretty much resonates with how I feel most of the time;

"as i laid there i started to think about my relationship and how i had lost a lot of my confidence lately and how negatively it was affecting us. i kept thing of "what if" and worrying about what would i do and such even tho deep down i had no reason to worry but lately i let some insecurities eat me up and affect me. witch isent like me at all."

Maybe the best thing to do is just take a full dose, as apprehensive as I feel about it, I've been going through this in my head all day, woke up determined to start micro-dosing today yet thought I would see if there were others who may have been going through similar emotional struggle as I. Luckily my mom is "hip" to this kinda stuff and has sat with me during my most revealing trip and helped to keep me anchored and feeling safe, deep down I know nothing bad will happen to me if I decide to take a few grams, yet due to the anxiety I developed it's become kinda hard to shake the "fear" off..


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    #18988750 - 10/16/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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@evileye001 this part of your report pretty much resonates with how I feel most of the time;

"as i laid there i started to think about my relationship and how i had lost a lot of my confidence lately and how negatively it was affecting us. i kept thing of "what if" and worrying about what would i do and such even tho deep down i had no reason to worry but lately i let some insecurities eat me up and affect me. witch isent like me at all."

Maybe the best thing to do is just take a full dose, as apprehensive as I feel about it, I've been going through this in my head all day, woke up determined to start micro-dosing today yet thought I would see if there were others who may have been going through similar emotional struggle as I. Luckily my mom is "hip" to this kinda stuff and has sat with me during my most revealing trip and helped to keep me anchored and feeling safe, deep down I know nothing bad will happen to me if I decide to take a few grams, yet due to the anxiety I developed it's become kinda hard to shake the "fear" off..




my advice to you is go ahead and do a good dose. if you are like me i almost guarantee you wont have a very good over all time but it will force you to confront and overcome these stupid problems.

im not saying this is the answer for you im just telling you my experience.

if you do choose to plz tell me how it went. i would really like to know.

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    #18989827 - 10/17/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.


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    #18989918 - 10/17/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OP, I went to the Netherlands several times, specifically for the Ayahuasca and mushrooms, and specifically to get a nice boost out of this or that minor depression.

One of these times I stumbled upon the micro-dosing thread when I happened to be there. I tried it and it was :tripping:AWESOME:tripping: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I've tried it when I was annoyed with work, and once it kicked in I had no problem, I put in 6 hours of work and felt very nice about it.

I've tried it with painting, and an awesome piece came out of it, which I'd say is still the best psy painting I've ever done to this day.

I don't know you OP, maybe you'll break down like a bitch and cry as soon as a little psilo hits your system, but I doubt it. I'll extend the same advice I use myself. If anxious, if depressed, if any mental issues plague your head, shrooms help. Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.

To clarify - I've micro-dosed for two weeks, every day, sometimes twice a day. There was no tolerance build-up, there were no weird mood swings, no crashes during the two weeks nor when I stopped. The only bad thing was that I eventually ran out of mushies to micro-dose on, and so I had to come back to my less awesome, regular self :lol:

Take'em if you've got 'em OP, you'll be in good hands :thumbup:


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    #18990916 - 10/17/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.






Its not though. There has been one experiment that was official, and that is hardly conclusive enough to merit the above statement.

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Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.






Its not though. There has been one experiment that was official, and that is hardly conclusive enough to merit the above statement.

Mushrooms are very powerful substances.



Ok, if you're some super shroom scientist and have the data about micro-dosing being dangerous, then more power to you. From what I've seen here and also tested personally, the effects of micro-dosing are so slight that even if it goes south, at such small quantities it's irrelevant. I liked the effects and dosed again the next day. If OP gets a slight nausea, feels mildly indisposed or some other minor inconvenience, he can safely stop dosing. Test concluded.

Or what other dangers do you think might befall OP from micro-dosing shrooms? I haven't seen any exploding heads yet.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991032 - 10/17/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I should also mention that my girlfriend who has never tripped and swears she never will, because she believes it will make her go insane, that she thinks she might have underlying mental issues, has done a lot of micro dosing with me, took some convincing, but she did. This is a person who is VERY easily swayed by emotional disturbances, the more I think about the more I realize she might be of the kind of personality who shouldn't trip, even though I know it'll help a lot. But she loves micro dosing, and only had a couple negative experiences out of months of doing it, she can't believe how much it helps her. Seemed relevant, maybe only micro dosing could help some. As a side note, to the woman, micro dosing on your period seems to be a bad idea, it made her mood dip way further. But other than that She's been totally stable while micro dosing.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18991074 - 10/17/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You won't get physically hurt, but there is some serious mental consequences to abusing psyches. That is what microdosing is in my opinion. That is my opinion. I'm not calling you out, but I have first hand experience that it is bad for me. Some people shouldn't take psyches, some people should. It worked for you, not for me. The worst that can happen is he commits suicide :rolleyes:. There is a risk man. He has to decide if it is worth it

Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches


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    #18991129 - 10/17/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've done plenty of microdosing - some enjoyable, some uncomfortable. I don't think there's any danger unless you try to do something dumb like drive, especially if you're microdose wasn't so micro.

As far as mental danger - I highly doubt it. Even if you feel really crappy, a microdose wears off quickly. I've done .2g and felt the feeling, and then an hour to hour and a half later it's totally worn off.

Don't worry about suicide - only suicidal people commit suicide. Don't trip if you're one of them. I think that anyone who commits suicide while tripping was close to doing it anyway. Everyone looks for something to blame it on, but really, it can only be blamed on ones own  mental problems. Horrible shit happens to people all the time and you don't see them all killing themselves over it.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Universe]
    #18991203 - 10/17/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Psyches can bring about mental disorders. People go insane from psyches.... Syd Barret point and case. I mean I love shrooms. I am just recognizing that they can act as a catalyst to mental disorders. Some people can't do psyches. You gotta show both sides


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    #18991278 - 10/17/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches




I'm pretty far from a pillar of stability, especially emotionally,  and yet all of the psychedelics I've taken so far have helped me quite a bit. In other words I was far more unstable and sad before partaking, than I am now, a few years into it.

True, one has to read up on the dangers and also start small, know their dose, and if something feels like shit (like HWBR in my case for instance) then don't take it again.

Other than that there's little one can do, prevention-wise.

Micro-dosing IMO is something more like checking things out, taking it really slow. If someone is unstable, they're safer with micro-dosing than they would be with several grams and a massive trip all at once. The dosing you can stop, the trip you can't.

Anyway we're talking in circles here, because there's no way to know how OP will respond to micro-dosing until he tries it, if he decides to do so.

Might be helpful to specify that I'm not saying 6 months of micro-dosing is safe, but that THE FIRST DAY of micro-dosing is safe, and based on how you feel in the first few days, you can judge for yourself whether or not to continue.

If OP were indeed as suicidal as to be pushed over the edge by simple micro-dosing, then this whole thread should have had a very different title. Then we all would have told him to STFU about the shrooms, don't do it and go get medical help.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991375 - 10/17/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know, I think that if I had not smoked weed while coming down on mescaline, the clarity would have remained. Meanwhile the anxiety just went through the roof the more I smoked...

I am thinking that when I'm off this stuff (real soon like... Bought my last bag yesterday and I'm moving on Tuesday, and I'm going to syncronize it with a massive change in my life... Moving out of my grandparent's home. That way it all is one big change, and I can feel like the coin flipped.) I want to do some cactus juice, with no weed, and come down, with no weed. Because I always know the cactus is working when I smoke weed and the weed doesn't work. I know I'm coming down when the weed has a noticeable effect on the body high.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Universe]
    #18991459 - 10/17/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Microdosing once in a while is cool, but doing it everyday or even every other day is silly. I wouldn't be able to stand it. It would just get annoying. Tripping is exhausting and I think even a microdose drains you a little.

The best microdosing happens when you're growing shrooms and you have a big flush and you can't resist breaking one off and throwing it in your mouth. Real trips need to be planned out, but a spontaneous microdose like that is fun.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991460 - 10/17/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches




I'm pretty far from a pillar of stability, especially emotionally,  and yet all of the psychedelics I've taken so far have helped me quite a bit. In other words I was far more unstable and sad before partaking, than I am now, a few years into it.

True, one has to read up on the dangers and also start small, know their dose, and if something feels like shit (like HWBR in my case for instance) then don't take it again.

Other than that there's little one can do, prevention-wise.

Micro-dosing IMO is something more like checking things out, taking it really slow. If someone is unstable, they're safer with micro-dosing than they would be with several grams and a massive trip all at once. The dosing you can stop, the trip you can't.

Anyway we're talking in circles here, because there's no way to know how OP will respond to micro-dosing until he tries it, if he decides to do so.

Might be helpful to specify that I'm not saying 6 months of micro-dosing is safe, but that THE FIRST DAY of micro-dosing is safe, and based on how you feel in the first few days, you can judge for yourself whether or not to continue.

If OP were indeed as suicidal as to be pushed over the edge by simple micro-dosing, then this whole thread should have had a very different title. Then we all would have told him to STFU about the shrooms, don't do it and go get medical help.




I agree wholeheartedly to this. Psychedelics also have helped me fix thing. They have incredible healing powers. Its just I also believe they started a bunch of problems for me. I was abusing the psyches, and they burned me. Use them right OP and your life will improve.

I'm an advocate of taking a huge dose so you can't fight it even though I'm a pussy and have only topped at 33.33g fresh. You can't fight when you reach a certain level. Then your eyes are opened. One day :plur:


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    #18991490 - 10/17/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't have a good feeling about mushrooms. Low or high dose. ALTHOUGH, the bad experiences I had where all under 3g, and the good experience (singular) was over...

But even then, there is a certain disconnect, and I get it off of Psilocybin AS WELL AS Amanita. I don't get it, they have totally different pharmacology and their 'obvious' effects are totally different. Their not-so-obvious mind fuck are exactly the same though.

I don't get this with Cactus. I don't get the bad vibes, and I was scared shitless of it at first. With shrooms I had no fear going in, and now I'm scared shitless of them, with cactus, I was scared shitless of it, but the more of it I take, and the crazier dose I do without getting mind fuck, the less fear I have. I took what I can very much consider an overdose. (By overdose I don't mean die, I mean take too much.) And even with a trip lasting 3 days, I had no fear for my sanity, even though I wished the trip would end, as it was getting overwhelming and a whole lot of bad stuff happened to me emotionally, and I was in a bad space. The only fear I had was a concern that I may never come down, as this trip was lasting crazy long. Looking back, if it was mushrooms, at half the intensity, I would have been spinning out like crazy.

I don't trust mushrooms, and that seems to be common among humans, even when we are talking about normal mushrooms...


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18991603 - 10/17/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?

@Spacerific; that painting fucking rocks man!!! I my self paint but since being in this rut have not felt any motivation/inspiration to paint much which also gets me feeling really down, I feel very creatively retarded this whole last year and it's really starting to get to me. Living in Costa Rica I have the privilege to partake in an Ayahuasca ritual here and would very much like to do so once I have the mean's (have to go cross the country and en need the time/money to do so). For some reason I feel more comfortable with that over shrooms, although from what I have heard its much more intense, yet I feel better knowing there are experiences trained people here doing that, may have to look into that some more...


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: The Centre]
    #18991667 - 10/17/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You know, I think that if I had not smoked weed while coming down on mescaline, the clarity would have remained. Meanwhile the anxiety just went through the roof the more I smoked...

I am thinking that when I'm off this stuff (real soon like... Bought my last bag yesterday and I'm moving on Tuesday, and I'm going to syncronize it with a massive change in my life... Moving out of my grandparent's home. That way it all is one big change, and I can feel like the coin flipped.) I want to do some cactus juice, with no weed, and come down, with no weed. Because I always know the cactus is working when I smoke weed and the weed doesn't work. I know I'm coming down when the weed has a noticeable effect on the body high.





This happens to me as well, I cannot mix weed with anything stronger or it just makes everything "cloudy", hell I can't even smoke weed that much anymore anyway because it fucks with my head too much just by its self.

And to make it clear, I'm in no way at all suicidal, I really do love being alive, It has just been hard to completely appreciate life when in this state. Just last week I went walking alone down to a canyon and river and the sun was fucking perfect and I knew it was fucking beautiful as fuck but I just couldn't quite feel that "awe" when looking at it, it was just kinda like "huh...that's pretty neat" but didn't really feel anything else inside which is not like me at all.

I'm completely open to other substances as well, in any dosage, to help with this, mescaline, LSD, ayahuasca, ibogaine. I just refuse to take DXM or anything like that because that shit just makes me feel way too weird. I'm just more curious as to others micro-dosing (with whatever substances) to help with their daily panic/anxiety/depression.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18992057 - 10/17/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OP, I went to the Netherlands several times, specifically for the Ayahuasca and mushrooms, and specifically to get a nice boost out of this or that minor depression.

One of these times I stumbled upon the micro-dosing thread when I happened to be there. I tried it and it was :tripping:AWESOME:tripping: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I've tried it when I was annoyed with work, and once it kicked in I had no problem, I put in 6 hours of work and felt very nice about it.

I've tried it with painting, and an awesome piece came out of it, which I'd say is still the best psy painting I've ever done to this day.

I don't know you OP, maybe you'll break down like a bitch and cry as soon as a little psilo hits your system, but I doubt it. I'll extend the same advice I use myself. If anxious, if depressed, if any mental issues plague your head, shrooms help. Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.

To clarify - I've micro-dosed for two weeks, every day, sometimes twice a day. There was no tolerance build-up, there were no weird mood swings, no crashes during the two weeks nor when I stopped. The only bad thing was that I eventually ran out of mushies to micro-dose on, and so I had to come back to my less awesome, regular self :lol:

Take'em if you've got 'em OP, you'll be in good hands :thumbup:





Hahahahahahah you know, I probably WILL cry like a little bitch once they hit my system, but I would greatly embrace that, I have felt so emotionally fucked up that I can't even cry at sad things anymore, like things that have happened (deaths in the family and death of my dog I've had since childhood) I did not even shed a tear, to be honest I didn't feel much other than that I knew they were in a great place now, I might not have cried because being in such internal pain I was glad that they did not have to feel that in the "real" life anymore. I really have no idea but I miss crying and I used to/AM a sensitive person who used to be pretty prone to crying.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18992278 - 10/17/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm probably going to catch flak for this, but idgaf I want to help you.

Opiates

I swear to god they snapped me out of my depression like the snap of a finger. I expressed all the same symptoms as you (depressed, emotional disconnect, social anxiety, duller life etc) and after 40mg of some oxycodone I was so happy for life. Just don't get hooked. It takes a strong person to avoid opiate addiction. If you don't think you will be able to fight it, don't do it. I can tell you tho from personal experience--- the feel you get from it is hard to stay away from. Especially when it is able to fix problems like it does. At least for me.


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    #18992355 - 10/17/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?




Ah, I see, well in that case I say micro dosing is absolutely your best bet, I wouldn't even worry about a initial trip, this would be a great way for you to kind of get back into it, I was in a similar situation, as stated before, took me at least 4-5 years before I touched mushrooms or acid again, thought id taken myself as far as my sanity would allow, and even the slightest bump would make me lose it, but this has not been the case, this will help tremendously with your depression. if not, than stop, no big deal, start low, and im sure youl be fine, just use the extra energy from micro dosing to motivate yourself into new routines, id be very curious to see how it goes if you do do this. Like I said, the LSD is a nice microdose, usually makes me want to take more, I don't feel it as much as the mushrooms, but it is even better for mental work, really good. but ive felt that it could have some negatives, I have always been back and forth about the chemical though, cant tell whether or not im into it. Shrooms are superior for depression I think.


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    #18992376 - 10/17/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well there you have it OP. Contradicting advice and only yourself to look to, for any real guidance on which to follow.

As far as I'm concerned I believe in you. Take this with a grain of salt if you've been abusing your system with chems and alcohol, but otherwise you have a genetic heritage that's built to last, to take a beating and bounce back stronger, to not go down without a significant fight, and also to learn the true wisdom from the mushroom. You have that raw power deep inside that's waiting for you to tap it, and open a new chapter in your life.

Only you know what's good for you. Explore whatever your intuition (and googling and research) tells you to explore, and see what works.

I leave you with the words of the mushroom, maybe you can find some inspiration there.


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    #18992454 - 10/17/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You have a good point about the OP vanishing, which is why I feel I haven't been able to get the answers I am looking for, I read about them starting it but then there is no follow up.

I'm glad you mentioned your experience because that was one more fear of mine; the adverse effects of continual micro-dosing, has anyone else here experienced similar negative effects after micro-dosing every other day?

The way I have been feeling the last couple of months seems a lot like your description of how you felt after the negative effects started kicking in (minus the tracers, although sometimes if I'm out doing a lot of exercise ill start seeing kinda weird almost "watery" like a stone droping in a pool of water around my periphery, probably because I'm out of shape from smoking ciggies too long, which probably also doesn't help in the long run with anxiety.

Back to the point, some seem to recommend a full on trip once rather than micro-dosing, that's where some apprehensive feelings start kicking in about having an actual "trip", day to day I feel anxiety, some days worse then others but more than that its just weird neurotic feelings, with no real apparent reason really. So in the back of my mind (although it may be foolish to feel so) I feel it may in the long term make my anxiety worse, seeing as before I started feeling this way the anxiety from a 3g trip coming on was enough to get me pretty nervous when I could handle it back then.




I micro dose for severe headache pain I suffer through on a daily basis (been that way all my life).  No adverse effects to report.  Headaches are now more controllable with Tylenol.  :shrug:


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    #18992516 - 10/17/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Last saturday, I went into the 3g trip fully expecting to either lose my sanity or come back fixed. It worked out for the best. Take a gram every 20 minutes until you work up to your dose. Before you know it, you will be tripping with relatively little anxiety.

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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18992644 - 10/17/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Spacerific seemed to say it best, a bit of contradictory advice, it seems to work for some and not so well for others, there may be set and setting coming into play even in such small doses...



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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?




Ah, I see, well in that case I say micro dosing is absolutely your best bet, I wouldn't even worry about a initial trip, this would be a great way for you to kind of get back into it, I was in a similar situation, as stated before, took me at least 4-5 years before I touched mushrooms or acid again, thought id taken myself as far as my sanity would allow, and even the slightest bump would make me lose it, but this has not been the case, this will help tremendously with your depression. if not, than stop, no big deal, start low, and im sure youl be fine, just use the extra energy from micro dosing to motivate yourself into new routines, id be very curious to see how it goes if you do do this. Like I said, the LSD is a nice microdose, usually makes me want to take more, I don't feel it as much as the mushrooms, but it is even better for mental work, really good. but ive felt that it could have some negatives, I have always been back and forth about the chemical though, cant tell whether or not im into it. Shrooms are superior for depression I think.




I can relate to feeling like every small little bump just makes it worse for me, I've come to a conclusion that I will start with a micro-dose, give it a couple days of rest and see how I feel, perhaps twice a week if it feels like its helping, and perhaps if I feel the calling for it after that I will consider upping the dose. Whatever I do I WILL follow up on this since it seems that most micro dosing threads kinda get left behind, but I will keep in mind that there may be others who could benefit from such an experiment.

If it take's a while to give any report about how it goes it's most likely from bad weather. Rainy days in general aren't very complimentary to lifting my mood, I absolutely hate them but every now and then there are days when the sun is out all day (its the rainy season here). So crossing my fingers it will be a sunny day tomorrow and I can start with 0.1g and see how it goes.




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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18993311 - 10/17/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just had one fresh large shroom yesterday, but the effect was so minor...  I think low dosage on daily basis does more harm than few large hits.  It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.


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    #18993369 - 10/17/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How do micro-doses of shrooms affect energy levels by the way? On roughly 3-3.5 grams of cubensis from here in costa rica (don't know how they compare to other types, but 3 grams gives me about a +++, pretty fucking strong (for me) where everything is moving around swirling and melting like crazy, complete loss of concept of time, temporarily messing up my language making me splurge out random sounds instead of words, ect.) and I usually just feel like laying down/feel kinda sleepy. Do micro-doses act differently giving one more energy?


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    #18994500 - 10/18/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How do micro-doses of shrooms affect energy levels by the way? On roughly 3-3.5 grams of cubensis from here in costa rica (don't know how they compare to other types, but 3 grams gives me about a +++, pretty fucking strong (for me) where everything is moving around swirling and melting like crazy, complete loss of concept of time, temporarily messing up my language making me splurge out random sounds instead of words, ect.) and I usually just feel like laying down/feel kinda sleepy. Do micro-doses act differently giving one more energy?



For me they did. Well not more energy in the sense of a stimulant, but an even sustained focus kind of thing. Clear mind. Wasn't rushing, wasn't slacking, I was doing everything at its proper speed, carefully and with awareness. I was definitely productive.


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    #18994628 - 10/18/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I noticed a nice amphetamine buzz that low doses produce.  No color changes, but some colors were more robust.  I kind of liked it.


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    #18996329 - 10/18/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I felt like microdose gave me the perfect amount of caffeine. I had a lift in energy. Not a boost, but just the right amount. And colors seemed amazing. Nature looked amazing. I felt like I was in constant afterglow. That was a positive thing :awehigh:


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    #18997184 - 10/18/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.




Well said.

I think we can get into a vicious circle of trying to fix ourselves with substances, good, bad or otherwise. For everyone chasing an answer, a few weeks/months on a clean diet, no substances at all - no ciggs, no pot, no psychs.. no bullshit.

Once you're purged (properly), see where you're at and then go from there. Not many have the patience to see it through though.

Being the hypocrite that I am, I'll be reporting back later on after I Kayak up the river on this beautiful spring afternoon and hit up 2g (my largest dose) of Cubes.

Thanks for the thread and discussion. MD's are a worthy topic. I have more experience with those than I do with any other psych, so hopefully can contribute.


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    #18997803 - 10/18/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.




Well said.

I think we can get into a vicious circle of trying to fix ourselves with substances, good, bad or otherwise. For everyone chasing an answer, a few weeks/months on a clean diet, no substances at all - no ciggs, no pot, no psychs.. no bullshit.

Once you're purged (properly), see where you're at and then go from there. Not many have the patience to see it through though.

Being the hypocrite that I am, I'll be reporting back later on after I Kayak up the river on this beautiful spring afternoon and hit up 2g (my largest dose) of Cubes.

Thanks for the thread and discussion. MD's are a worthy topic. I have more experience with those than I do with any other psych, so hopefully can contribute.





There's a very big point you brought up there. My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well


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    #18998511 - 10/19/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience St.Johns Wart was great. Worth a shot imho.


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    #18999297 - 10/19/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mostly out of curiosity and to see what it could be like instead of taking the anti anxiety synthetic pills that have been prescribed, I'm just curious as to how 250mg of shrooms compares to say 250mg of xanax.




Lots of exercise really can help with anxiety and depression. Not the end all be all but its definitely a help for a lot of people.

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TentacleOfCreation said: My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well



Never ceases to amaze me when I see these fucked up self-destructive behaviors. Excessive alcohol and cigarettes, and then someone throws benzos into the convo. :facepalm: Awesome idea, I mean why stop there? Let's throw in crack, meth and PCP, maybe those will help you cut down on the alcohol, or at least take your mind off of it :lol:

Seriously, improve your state changers, go find some natural choices that work for you and stick to them.

Have you tried this stuff yet?


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    #18999677 - 10/19/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, there's no magic pill that's gonna help if one doesn't exercise regularly (or even just walking for that matter) and abuse body with cigarette, alcohol and irregular/lack of sleep. 

Sometimes we wait for a magic moment or just until disaster to happen to finally wake up from the negative living patterns, but think about it - we only get to live that many days (20,000 ~ 30,000 days at most for lot of us).  How many days are we going to live in this lack of motivation and perpetual doubts?  Forget about when will change, because now is the time to change!!!


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    #19001584 - 10/19/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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TentacleOfCreation said: My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well



Never ceases to amaze me when I see these fucked up self-destructive behaviors. Excessive alcohol and cigarettes, and then someone throws benzos into the convo. :facepalm: Awesome idea, I mean why stop there? Let's throw in crack, meth and PCP, maybe those will help you cut down on the alcohol, or at least take your mind off of it :lol:

Seriously, improve your state changers, go find some natural choices that work for you and stick to them.

Have you tried this stuff yet?





Kids get hooked to stupid things when they are young! I started smoking at a young age and its the biggest mistake I have ever made (not that its any excuse or anything, it's just been hard to quit completely). Fortunately I stopped drinking alcohol/caffeine August of last year and haven't had any since, and I only took benzos for a very short period of time in January until my uncle died of an OD in February, when I threw them all away. 

I haven't had a chance to try SJW or start micro-dosing yet, (can't get a hold of any at the moment), I'll keep this updated whenever I get a hold of any.

On a side note, I have been getting much better rest and keeping my self distracted the last few days and I even felt euphoric day before last, although yesterday I was really, really down and anxious, (sun was out almost all day Thursday, but Friday no sun at all and very cloudy rainy day.) It seems that the days when the sun is always out I have a very, very good day compared to when its dark and rainy. This happened last year as well, anxiety just starts kicking in when we enter rainy season but the rest of the year I feel normal enough. (there are no 4 seasons here in costa rica, just Rainy season and Dry season (October also happens to be the rainiest season of them all))


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    #19004527 - 10/20/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey OP and thread.

I'm glad this thread has come about, just what I'm looking for.

I too have emotional mania like yourself, comes from nowhere, have had it all my life and literally tries to destroy everyday that I live. I'm currently taking shitty seroxat as I've exhausted all of the other medications prescribed to me in a year and a half and am currently on the waiting list for CBT/Therapy ect (in England).

The herb has always made me paranoid even after a few tokes so I never, ever touch it anymore. I am great with MDMA/Pills though, but tis costly and not a very good route to try to micro dose to lol.

I had my first mushroom trip the thursday just gone. It was unplanned, after a long shift at work with a good friend at his house. I reckon there was about say 50-70 liberty caps that I put in my mouth to chew. I loved the trip - nothing too drastic, but told me things I already knew just needed clarifying. The next couple of days have been nice and relaxed and have missed my nasty meds for two days.

Now the glow has worn off and I feel a bit normal again and feel I want to microdose (I've got about 300 shrooms left). I used to drink Kratom and have ordered some asap to try and keep me lifted. I say go for a trip! I ate a few more, maybes 20 or so while I was tripping so I think your mind will know whats a good dose for you.

I've got a feeling micro dosing on and off will be beneficial for people like me and you, OP. I understand what you are going through. Maybes ease yourself into it with a couple of ciders or something then just grab a pinch and chew. I always thought I'd go on a bad one, but it was one of the nicest, humanly states I've been in in a long time. I can't see it hurting to prolong that. Like other people have suggested, excersize, eat healthy and all that jazz - I hope you enjoy. Don't think, just do :heart:

PS: At the experienced folks. I don't own scales so how many libertys is a small dose? Like 15-20 individual shrooms? I know the potency comes into play, but just for a guideline to micro dose?

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    #19004730 - 10/20/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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PS: At the experienced folks. I don't own scales so how many libertys is a small dose? Like 15-20 individual shrooms? I know the potency comes into play, but just for a guideline to micro dose?




I'm by no means experienced, just tried micro-dosing for a few days with good results. IMO a good dose is whatever you can barely feel, without getting trippy. Minimum Effective Dose as they say. You want to find out what that is and stick to it, so you don't build up tolerance day after day. For me it was a pea-sized amount of Galindoi sclerotia.

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    #19004799 - 10/20/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Like other people have suggested, excersize, eat healthy and all that jazz - I hope you enjoy. Don't think, just do :heart:




And look, I might sound a bit heartless when I say the following - but just know that it comes from someone who has been on both sides of the coin and has a long list of issues I could throw into the hat as well.

If you aren't eating healthy (or aren't prepared to take it on 100%), and exercising - which doesn't mean lifting weights and going all out, it's about activity. It's about getting your heart rate up. It's about allowing your body to feel ALIVE - it's no different to a trip. Your body LIVES FOR THIS SHIT so DO NOT NEGLECT IT.

If you can't do simple things such as that, let alone.. you know, not smoke (again, from an ex smoker) and not drink (again, from an ex drinker)..

You just think; if you remove ALL of that horse shit (which is ALL negative) and only THEN see where your mind is at.. you know, a few months down the track once your gut is repaired and your chemical makeup balances back out.. THEN you will know where you stand psychologically. And ONLY then.

At the moment it could be the ciggs. It could be the shitty food (probably is), it could just be your brain and body screaming at you to be ACTIVE and STIMULATE it in a positive way.

Mushrooms, Cannabis.. they are not your cure.

Before you even think about consulting the mushroom, get your shit in order. You are simply disrespecting your body, the mushroom itself, and you're living on the premise that you can introduce a chemical to your body and solve your problems.

WRong.

Stop creating yourself problems for starters. Heal yourself.

Who knows where you will be once all of that actually happens, then suddenly you are consulting the Mushroom for self development.. not begging it for help like some pathetic physical entity :smile:

Show yourself some respect. Sort your fucking shit out.

It's as simple as - doing it.

No shit.

It really is that simple.

Want to stop smoking? Well stop. Just fucking stop.

I've cried poor before too. "But I can't" yadda yadda. You know how I eventually stopped? I just stopped. That's all there is to it.

All the rest is just bullshit you're making up in your own mind. It is a folly. It is self defeating. It is piss weak.

I'm not trying to be un-supportive. Far from it.

But help yourself yeah? Help yourself, then come and lets talk about helping each other. There's only so many times your 'helpers' can bang their heads against the wall because you aren't 'getting it'. Parents, friends, partners, kids, online randoms..

It's all very real.

Get your shit in order first bro. It's the only way.

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    #19005585 - 10/20/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Want to stop smoking? Well stop. Just fucking stop.




Umm, you know it's an addiction, right? Nicotine and such?

Not to be an enabler, I mean it is a retarded unhealthy habit, I pity any fool who starts, but once started it takes a bit more than wishing it away. Most smokers I've met know it's a bad idea and wish they never started. So they do want to stop, they just don't have enough motivation to actually do it.

Here check some interesting statistics. And a few more.

70% of smokers want to quit. Billions of people. I guess that was the missing ingredient. The forum post telling them to "just fucking stop" :lol:


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    #19006156 - 10/20/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You must have missed the part where I mentioned that I'm a reformed smoker as well. What was my missing ingredient? Deciding to stop.

That's all it is. Addiction or otherwise.

Decide to stop.

It works. I know. If you stop, you're no longer a smoker. 24-48hrs later it's purely psychological anyway, and c'mon now it's not heroin. You're not laying in your room begging for ciggies. It's not a physical addiction.

No, you're just agitated. You'd like a durry. It passes, and believe it or not the world continues to go 'round. Who'd have thought!

But hey, if you want to dig out statistics and stand over in the corner of 'I'll find some reason or justification to continue smoking' then by all means do it. Just don't expect ANY positive result because you won't get one!

Again, how do I know? Been there champ. Done it. Big fucking deal.

And hey, if you want to pull out statistics, lets start with the ones showing DIRECT causal relationships between tobacco smokers and early death, let alone the strain put onto the health system due to your inability to wake the fuck up.


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    #19006185 - 10/20/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Most smokers I've met know it's a bad idea and wish they never started. So they do want to stop, they just don't have enough motivation to actually do it.






If your 'friends' can't motivate themselves by reading some simple data, hot off the Google press, then mate.. they simply don't value their life, the pockets of tax payers, or the lives of everyone around them who has to put up with their self destructive behaviour.

It's pretty simple shit. Alot simpler now than it was in the past.

Stats might not tell the whole story, but they tell more than enough in this instance.


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    #19007031 - 10/21/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe addiction is different for everyone... resolving issues in ones life which lead to addictive behavior and not the substance its self, and those psychological issues vary a lot from one person to the next, maybe its easier for one person to just stop then it is for someone else due to what caused their addiction in the first place. I'm no psychologist though and maybe all that was just bullshit and it really is as easy as just ex-ing out the substance from ones life cold turkey.


I'm glad you were able to quit so easily and just stop, its a very shitty thing to be stuck in and I my self have been trying hard to understand it and get it out of my life.

I think this is a very big and relevant part of the thread though and I'm glad this is being discussed. I wonder if anyone has had any success with say ibogaine to help resolve this? From what I have heard it's been quite successful in helping resolve these issues, it must be intense though. My uncle before he passed away actually took it in my own bedroom. There is an iboga clinic here but they were charging way more then we could afford to treat it, which saddens me a lot that such treatment has to be so costly, I understand how some people need to make a living to get by in this crazy world but some treatments run hundreds to thousands of dollars per session. This is a little off topic but my mind tends to wander easily this late at night. I would love to hear of anyone's iboga experiences though, I'm curious to know what a full on journey with iboga must be like I only took a measly 200mg ( I think depending on body weight it can go up to 10 grams for a full effective dose? something along those lines..) and I could definitely feel something, an almost dream like state, my inner voice being louder than usual, I guess this applies to micro-dosing though! I may have to look more into micro-dosing with iboga


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I believe addiction is different for everyone... resolving issues in ones life which lead to addictive behavior and not the substance its self, and those psychological issues vary a lot from one person to the next, maybe its easier for one person to just stop then it is for someone else due to what caused their addiction in the first place.




No doubt mate. Don't think my rant was intended to be cunty towards you or your situation. I have just started dealing with things like this in a very black and white way, and it's the way I get a result.

I'm of military background though, so there is definitely some residual shit going on that comes through when I get ranty.

At the end of the day I just want to see you better. I'd be that coach in your ear saying exactly what I said in my previous posts. Wipe your tears, get on track and lets crack on and get it done. It IS possible, and you CAN do it mate. This isn't some Tony Robbins shit. These goals are very achievable, matter of fact once you get this shit sorted.. imagine what you can achieve by applying that same strength in other directions. Education. Family. Self-Improvement.

You're not born with the skill. You have to work on it.

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I'm glad you were able to quit so easily and just stop, its a very shitty thing to be stuck in and I my self have been trying hard to understand it and get it out of my life.





Thanks mate. It co-incided with some big changes in my life (self imposed) and I recommend that too. Instead of starting small, maybe cutting back or whatever.. just figure out what you need to change in your life.. even the big shit, and just do it all at once. Smoking tends to go straight into the background because you've got bigger fish to fry. Even positive change (a new relationship for example) - perfect opportunity. Your body is accepting change, and you just throw ciggies into the mix.

I 'loved' ciggies too. I really did.

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    #19008644 - 10/21/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Exo mate, I think we still need to clear a few issues, in the interest of improved communication. Not only am I a non-smoker, I have actually taken flak and at least two bad ratings for bashing alcohol and tobacco. So I know it's bad, and if OP or anybody for that matter smokes, I wish them best of luck with quitting.

I don't have any smoker friends. Banged a few smoker chicks here and there, but that's about it. Things are more gray in the Netherlands, as over there people smoke joints and it's not quite the same thing. At least they have an extra excuse.

This bit about you "deciding to stop" is IMO a bit flimsy. When several distinct (probably unconscious) forces under your hood all aligned in the same coherent direction, stopping, then you consciously just got the end result of them, the urge to stop. To you it may look like wow, I just decided to stop and stopped smoking. I doubt it was actually quite like that, for the simple reason that humans don't work like that. It's not me saying that, it's plenty of experts and specialists saying it, after decades of study. And the evidence itself that people want to stop (consciously) but in practice the can't.

I know smoking is bad. I think most smokers made a very retarded move when starting. Having started, it takes several things (internal and external) to go right, not just deciding one day. Oh and there is such a thing as a nicotine addiction, and though second by second it is quite manageable, if you approach it by willpower alone, usually you will relapse, because there's a lot more craving than you have willpower. Talking of willpower here as the limited daily capacity to go against your habits and deeper inner drives. Things like keeping your hand submerged in frozen water, against your natural impulse to take it out. Plenty of studies on that, we know it's a limited resource, only so much per day. See new years' resolutions for more.

If you think otherwise, by all means start a thread detailing how you stopped smoking. I'll be glad to stop over and inquire about the other internal/external things that obviously supported you in quitting. The thread might in fact help others who are trying to quit or thinking about it. Advice like "just fucking stop" IMO doesn't. It's like telling people to just stop being depressed, or for that matter stop being fat.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19008692 - 10/21/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

allopathic treatment for something like that isnt the way, you just need to get over your anxiety

i know after lots of "k-holes" im no longer afraid which might be bad since ill be wandering around alone at 3am walking into alleys with groups of youths and have little to no Real fear

and apparently ketamines promotion for Synaptogenesis is how it cures depression

need some vitamins in your life, maybe supplementation is better


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: tokerL]
    #19008724 - 10/21/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have been smoking cigarettes again lately with my trips and it got out of hand.  I have two cigarettes left and when those are gone I will return to my cigarette fasting.  NO TOBACCO!!!  God the buzz though is out of this world.  Nicotine is the best rush drug ever!

for me.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: mpd]
    #19055540 - 10/30/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience I'd have to say a largish dose (say, anything 2g's and over, with proper intent, set and setting) topped off with microdoses in the .1-.2 range as needed as the after glow starts to fade and the background noise (mindboy) begins to reappear.

For me, about 4-5 days I can feel the shift in mindset. That's not always an emergency that requires a microdose, but I definitely pay attention to it and if it feels right then I go for it.

I'd definitely prefer that than dosing every day in the 0.2 range. By weeks end things are just getting too trippy in general, even if you have kept it all below perceptable levels.. and especially if you're running it side by side with cannabis (which is often overlooked imho).


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Exogenesis]
    #19062011 - 10/31/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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By weeks end things are just getting too trippy in general, even if you have kept it all below perceptable levels.. and especially if you're running it side by side with cannabis (which is often overlooked imho).





yup. Cannabis was a mind fuck for me when I microdosed


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    #19067579 - 11/01/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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By weeks end things are just getting too trippy in general, even if you have kept it all below perceptable levels.. and especially if you're running it side by side with cannabis (which is often overlooked imho).





yup. Cannabis was a mind fuck for me when I microdosed





I agree with this, weed and shroom together do not work for me at all, it makes my mind too cloudy. I only smoke a few hits at night right before bed, but I think I will have to just stop smoking for a bit to see how it goes. I haven't forgotten about this thread yet, I'm just waiting for the chance to have a supply of shrooms to attempt this little experiment, I promise to keep updated


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #19067754 - 11/01/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I find weed to only enhance the energy feeling that you get flowing through your body on shrooms. The visuals and usual shroom mindfuck don't seem to intensify IME.. shrooms alone clouds my brain too much to tell a difference.


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