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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18993311 - 10/17/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just had one fresh large shroom yesterday, but the effect was so minor...  I think low dosage on daily basis does more harm than few large hits.  It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18993369 - 10/17/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How do micro-doses of shrooms affect energy levels by the way? On roughly 3-3.5 grams of cubensis from here in costa rica (don't know how they compare to other types, but 3 grams gives me about a +++, pretty fucking strong (for me) where everything is moving around swirling and melting like crazy, complete loss of concept of time, temporarily messing up my language making me splurge out random sounds instead of words, ect.) and I usually just feel like laying down/feel kinda sleepy. Do micro-doses act differently giving one more energy?


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18994500 - 10/18/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How do micro-doses of shrooms affect energy levels by the way? On roughly 3-3.5 grams of cubensis from here in costa rica (don't know how they compare to other types, but 3 grams gives me about a +++, pretty fucking strong (for me) where everything is moving around swirling and melting like crazy, complete loss of concept of time, temporarily messing up my language making me splurge out random sounds instead of words, ect.) and I usually just feel like laying down/feel kinda sleepy. Do micro-doses act differently giving one more energy?



For me they did. Well not more energy in the sense of a stimulant, but an even sustained focus kind of thing. Clear mind. Wasn't rushing, wasn't slacking, I was doing everything at its proper speed, carefully and with awareness. I was definitely productive.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18994628 - 10/18/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I noticed a nice amphetamine buzz that low doses produce.  No color changes, but some colors were more robust.  I kind of liked it.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: mpd]
    #18996329 - 10/18/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I felt like microdose gave me the perfect amount of caffeine. I had a lift in energy. Not a boost, but just the right amount. And colors seemed amazing. Nature looked amazing. I felt like I was in constant afterglow. That was a positive thing :awehigh:


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: incubis]
    #18997184 - 10/18/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.




Well said.

I think we can get into a vicious circle of trying to fix ourselves with substances, good, bad or otherwise. For everyone chasing an answer, a few weeks/months on a clean diet, no substances at all - no ciggs, no pot, no psychs.. no bullshit.

Once you're purged (properly), see where you're at and then go from there. Not many have the patience to see it through though.

Being the hypocrite that I am, I'll be reporting back later on after I Kayak up the river on this beautiful spring afternoon and hit up 2g (my largest dose) of Cubes.

Thanks for the thread and discussion. MD's are a worthy topic. I have more experience with those than I do with any other psych, so hopefully can contribute.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Exogenesis]
    #18997803 - 10/18/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like tricking your brain/body to a specific level of substances, so it seems like you're wiring the brain chemistry to balance a certain way.  Then once you cut-off the constant supply, the brain loses its balance, and it will take some time to regain its own balance.




Well said.

I think we can get into a vicious circle of trying to fix ourselves with substances, good, bad or otherwise. For everyone chasing an answer, a few weeks/months on a clean diet, no substances at all - no ciggs, no pot, no psychs.. no bullshit.

Once you're purged (properly), see where you're at and then go from there. Not many have the patience to see it through though.

Being the hypocrite that I am, I'll be reporting back later on after I Kayak up the river on this beautiful spring afternoon and hit up 2g (my largest dose) of Cubes.

Thanks for the thread and discussion. MD's are a worthy topic. I have more experience with those than I do with any other psych, so hopefully can contribute.





There's a very big point you brought up there. My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18998511 - 10/19/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience St.Johns Wart was great. Worth a shot imho.


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    #18999297 - 10/19/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mostly out of curiosity and to see what it could be like instead of taking the anti anxiety synthetic pills that have been prescribed, I'm just curious as to how 250mg of shrooms compares to say 250mg of xanax.




Lots of exercise really can help with anxiety and depression. Not the end all be all but its definitely a help for a lot of people.

Stagnant energy is no fun for anyone.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18999675 - 10/19/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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TentacleOfCreation said: My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well



Never ceases to amaze me when I see these fucked up self-destructive behaviors. Excessive alcohol and cigarettes, and then someone throws benzos into the convo. :facepalm: Awesome idea, I mean why stop there? Let's throw in crack, meth and PCP, maybe those will help you cut down on the alcohol, or at least take your mind off of it :lol:

Seriously, improve your state changers, go find some natural choices that work for you and stick to them.

Have you tried this stuff yet?


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Yogi1]
    #18999677 - 10/19/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, there's no magic pill that's gonna help if one doesn't exercise regularly (or even just walking for that matter) and abuse body with cigarette, alcohol and irregular/lack of sleep. 

Sometimes we wait for a magic moment or just until disaster to happen to finally wake up from the negative living patterns, but think about it - we only get to live that many days (20,000 ~ 30,000 days at most for lot of us).  How many days are we going to live in this lack of motivation and perpetual doubts?  Forget about when will change, because now is the time to change!!!


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19001584 - 10/19/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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TentacleOfCreation said: My health is less than optimal, in fact part of what (I feel) caused this anxiety was my abuse of cigarettes and alcohol, I got to a point last year where I was smoking and drinking and just getting messed up every single night for about 3 months straight.

Eventually after my first panic attack while high as shit I stopped drinking alcohol and pot all together, I still smoke cigarettes like a whore and nightly take a few hits of pot but have stopped drinking alcohol all together.

I've got a really addictive personality and its easy for me to get hooked on shit which is why I don't really wanna take any benzos cause I think I know what might happen if I do. I feel strongly if I just stopped ciggs and started eating/sleeping (I feel happiest/most creative at night, especially late at night) better some of the anxiety and depression will probably go away, its just so hard for me to get to bed so early :S

I probably sound like a huge douche/pussy but it's pretty hard to change these habits that I have had for many, many years. And I know it will be hard and there's no magical pill I can take that can make it just go away, but hopefully something out there can help "push" me a bit, motivate me more to get my shit straightened out.

On a side note I just remembered I have some unopened St.Johns Wart capsules, has anyone tried them for depression/random mood swings? Or in combination with micro-dosing? I'de be curious to hear reports on how st johns wart works as well



Never ceases to amaze me when I see these fucked up self-destructive behaviors. Excessive alcohol and cigarettes, and then someone throws benzos into the convo. :facepalm: Awesome idea, I mean why stop there? Let's throw in crack, meth and PCP, maybe those will help you cut down on the alcohol, or at least take your mind off of it :lol:

Seriously, improve your state changers, go find some natural choices that work for you and stick to them.

Have you tried this stuff yet?





Kids get hooked to stupid things when they are young! I started smoking at a young age and its the biggest mistake I have ever made (not that its any excuse or anything, it's just been hard to quit completely). Fortunately I stopped drinking alcohol/caffeine August of last year and haven't had any since, and I only took benzos for a very short period of time in January until my uncle died of an OD in February, when I threw them all away. 

I haven't had a chance to try SJW or start micro-dosing yet, (can't get a hold of any at the moment), I'll keep this updated whenever I get a hold of any.

On a side note, I have been getting much better rest and keeping my self distracted the last few days and I even felt euphoric day before last, although yesterday I was really, really down and anxious, (sun was out almost all day Thursday, but Friday no sun at all and very cloudy rainy day.) It seems that the days when the sun is always out I have a very, very good day compared to when its dark and rainy. This happened last year as well, anxiety just starts kicking in when we enter rainy season but the rest of the year I feel normal enough. (there are no 4 seasons here in costa rica, just Rainy season and Dry season (October also happens to be the rainiest season of them all))


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #19004527 - 10/20/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey OP and thread.

I'm glad this thread has come about, just what I'm looking for.

I too have emotional mania like yourself, comes from nowhere, have had it all my life and literally tries to destroy everyday that I live. I'm currently taking shitty seroxat as I've exhausted all of the other medications prescribed to me in a year and a half and am currently on the waiting list for CBT/Therapy ect (in England).

The herb has always made me paranoid even after a few tokes so I never, ever touch it anymore. I am great with MDMA/Pills though, but tis costly and not a very good route to try to micro dose to lol.

I had my first mushroom trip the thursday just gone. It was unplanned, after a long shift at work with a good friend at his house. I reckon there was about say 50-70 liberty caps that I put in my mouth to chew. I loved the trip - nothing too drastic, but told me things I already knew just needed clarifying. The next couple of days have been nice and relaxed and have missed my nasty meds for two days.

Now the glow has worn off and I feel a bit normal again and feel I want to microdose (I've got about 300 shrooms left). I used to drink Kratom and have ordered some asap to try and keep me lifted. I say go for a trip! I ate a few more, maybes 20 or so while I was tripping so I think your mind will know whats a good dose for you.

I've got a feeling micro dosing on and off will be beneficial for people like me and you, OP. I understand what you are going through. Maybes ease yourself into it with a couple of ciders or something then just grab a pinch and chew. I always thought I'd go on a bad one, but it was one of the nicest, humanly states I've been in in a long time. I can't see it hurting to prolong that. Like other people have suggested, excersize, eat healthy and all that jazz - I hope you enjoy. Don't think, just do :heart:

PS: At the experienced folks. I don't own scales so how many libertys is a small dose? Like 15-20 individual shrooms? I know the potency comes into play, but just for a guideline to micro dose?

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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Hinny]
    #19004730 - 10/20/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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PS: At the experienced folks. I don't own scales so how many libertys is a small dose? Like 15-20 individual shrooms? I know the potency comes into play, but just for a guideline to micro dose?




I'm by no means experienced, just tried micro-dosing for a few days with good results. IMO a good dose is whatever you can barely feel, without getting trippy. Minimum Effective Dose as they say. You want to find out what that is and stick to it, so you don't build up tolerance day after day. For me it was a pea-sized amount of Galindoi sclerotia.

Also double check with this micro-dosing thread.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Hinny]
    #19004799 - 10/20/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Like other people have suggested, excersize, eat healthy and all that jazz - I hope you enjoy. Don't think, just do :heart:




And look, I might sound a bit heartless when I say the following - but just know that it comes from someone who has been on both sides of the coin and has a long list of issues I could throw into the hat as well.

If you aren't eating healthy (or aren't prepared to take it on 100%), and exercising - which doesn't mean lifting weights and going all out, it's about activity. It's about getting your heart rate up. It's about allowing your body to feel ALIVE - it's no different to a trip. Your body LIVES FOR THIS SHIT so DO NOT NEGLECT IT.

If you can't do simple things such as that, let alone.. you know, not smoke (again, from an ex smoker) and not drink (again, from an ex drinker)..

You just think; if you remove ALL of that horse shit (which is ALL negative) and only THEN see where your mind is at.. you know, a few months down the track once your gut is repaired and your chemical makeup balances back out.. THEN you will know where you stand psychologically. And ONLY then.

At the moment it could be the ciggs. It could be the shitty food (probably is), it could just be your brain and body screaming at you to be ACTIVE and STIMULATE it in a positive way.

Mushrooms, Cannabis.. they are not your cure.

Before you even think about consulting the mushroom, get your shit in order. You are simply disrespecting your body, the mushroom itself, and you're living on the premise that you can introduce a chemical to your body and solve your problems.

WRong.

Stop creating yourself problems for starters. Heal yourself.

Who knows where you will be once all of that actually happens, then suddenly you are consulting the Mushroom for self development.. not begging it for help like some pathetic physical entity :smile:

Show yourself some respect. Sort your fucking shit out.

It's as simple as - doing it.

No shit.

It really is that simple.

Want to stop smoking? Well stop. Just fucking stop.

I've cried poor before too. "But I can't" yadda yadda. You know how I eventually stopped? I just stopped. That's all there is to it.

All the rest is just bullshit you're making up in your own mind. It is a folly. It is self defeating. It is piss weak.

I'm not trying to be un-supportive. Far from it.

But help yourself yeah? Help yourself, then come and lets talk about helping each other. There's only so many times your 'helpers' can bang their heads against the wall because you aren't 'getting it'. Parents, friends, partners, kids, online randoms..

It's all very real.

Get your shit in order first bro. It's the only way.

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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Exogenesis]
    #19005585 - 10/20/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Want to stop smoking? Well stop. Just fucking stop.




Umm, you know it's an addiction, right? Nicotine and such?

Not to be an enabler, I mean it is a retarded unhealthy habit, I pity any fool who starts, but once started it takes a bit more than wishing it away. Most smokers I've met know it's a bad idea and wish they never started. So they do want to stop, they just don't have enough motivation to actually do it.

Here check some interesting statistics. And a few more.

70% of smokers want to quit. Billions of people. I guess that was the missing ingredient. The forum post telling them to "just fucking stop" :lol:


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19006156 - 10/20/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You must have missed the part where I mentioned that I'm a reformed smoker as well. What was my missing ingredient? Deciding to stop.

That's all it is. Addiction or otherwise.

Decide to stop.

It works. I know. If you stop, you're no longer a smoker. 24-48hrs later it's purely psychological anyway, and c'mon now it's not heroin. You're not laying in your room begging for ciggies. It's not a physical addiction.

No, you're just agitated. You'd like a durry. It passes, and believe it or not the world continues to go 'round. Who'd have thought!

But hey, if you want to dig out statistics and stand over in the corner of 'I'll find some reason or justification to continue smoking' then by all means do it. Just don't expect ANY positive result because you won't get one!

Again, how do I know? Been there champ. Done it. Big fucking deal.

And hey, if you want to pull out statistics, lets start with the ones showing DIRECT causal relationships between tobacco smokers and early death, let alone the strain put onto the health system due to your inability to wake the fuck up.


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    #19006185 - 10/20/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Most smokers I've met know it's a bad idea and wish they never started. So they do want to stop, they just don't have enough motivation to actually do it.






If your 'friends' can't motivate themselves by reading some simple data, hot off the Google press, then mate.. they simply don't value their life, the pockets of tax payers, or the lives of everyone around them who has to put up with their self destructive behaviour.

It's pretty simple shit. Alot simpler now than it was in the past.

Stats might not tell the whole story, but they tell more than enough in this instance.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Exogenesis]
    #19006932 - 10/21/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #19007031 - 10/21/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe addiction is different for everyone... resolving issues in ones life which lead to addictive behavior and not the substance its self, and those psychological issues vary a lot from one person to the next, maybe its easier for one person to just stop then it is for someone else due to what caused their addiction in the first place. I'm no psychologist though and maybe all that was just bullshit and it really is as easy as just ex-ing out the substance from ones life cold turkey.


I'm glad you were able to quit so easily and just stop, its a very shitty thing to be stuck in and I my self have been trying hard to understand it and get it out of my life.

I think this is a very big and relevant part of the thread though and I'm glad this is being discussed. I wonder if anyone has had any success with say ibogaine to help resolve this? From what I have heard it's been quite successful in helping resolve these issues, it must be intense though. My uncle before he passed away actually took it in my own bedroom. There is an iboga clinic here but they were charging way more then we could afford to treat it, which saddens me a lot that such treatment has to be so costly, I understand how some people need to make a living to get by in this crazy world but some treatments run hundreds to thousands of dollars per session. This is a little off topic but my mind tends to wander easily this late at night. I would love to hear of anyone's iboga experiences though, I'm curious to know what a full on journey with iboga must be like I only took a measly 200mg ( I think depending on body weight it can go up to 10 grams for a full effective dose? something along those lines..) and I could definitely feel something, an almost dream like state, my inner voice being louder than usual, I guess this applies to micro-dosing though! I may have to look more into micro-dosing with iboga


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