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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18990916 - 10/17/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.






Its not though. There has been one experiment that was official, and that is hardly conclusive enough to merit the above statement.

Mushrooms are very powerful substances.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer]
    #18990998 - 10/17/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.






Its not though. There has been one experiment that was official, and that is hardly conclusive enough to merit the above statement.

Mushrooms are very powerful substances.



Ok, if you're some super shroom scientist and have the data about micro-dosing being dangerous, then more power to you. From what I've seen here and also tested personally, the effects of micro-dosing are so slight that even if it goes south, at such small quantities it's irrelevant. I liked the effects and dosed again the next day. If OP gets a slight nausea, feels mildly indisposed or some other minor inconvenience, he can safely stop dosing. Test concluded.

Or what other dangers do you think might befall OP from micro-dosing shrooms? I haven't seen any exploding heads yet.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991032 - 10/17/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I should also mention that my girlfriend who has never tripped and swears she never will, because she believes it will make her go insane, that she thinks she might have underlying mental issues, has done a lot of micro dosing with me, took some convincing, but she did. This is a person who is VERY easily swayed by emotional disturbances, the more I think about the more I realize she might be of the kind of personality who shouldn't trip, even though I know it'll help a lot. But she loves micro dosing, and only had a couple negative experiences out of months of doing it, she can't believe how much it helps her. Seemed relevant, maybe only micro dosing could help some. As a side note, to the woman, micro dosing on your period seems to be a bad idea, it made her mood dip way further. But other than that She's been totally stable while micro dosing.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18991074 - 10/17/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You won't get physically hurt, but there is some serious mental consequences to abusing psyches. That is what microdosing is in my opinion. That is my opinion. I'm not calling you out, but I have first hand experience that it is bad for me. Some people shouldn't take psyches, some people should. It worked for you, not for me. The worst that can happen is he commits suicide :rolleyes:. There is a risk man. He has to decide if it is worth it

Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer]
    #18991129 - 10/17/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've done plenty of microdosing - some enjoyable, some uncomfortable. I don't think there's any danger unless you try to do something dumb like drive, especially if you're microdose wasn't so micro.

As far as mental danger - I highly doubt it. Even if you feel really crappy, a microdose wears off quickly. I've done .2g and felt the feeling, and then an hour to hour and a half later it's totally worn off.

Don't worry about suicide - only suicidal people commit suicide. Don't trip if you're one of them. I think that anyone who commits suicide while tripping was close to doing it anyway. Everyone looks for something to blame it on, but really, it can only be blamed on ones own  mental problems. Horrible shit happens to people all the time and you don't see them all killing themselves over it.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Universe]
    #18991203 - 10/17/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Psyches can bring about mental disorders. People go insane from psyches.... Syd Barret point and case. I mean I love shrooms. I am just recognizing that they can act as a catalyst to mental disorders. Some people can't do psyches. You gotta show both sides


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Universe]
    #18991278 - 10/17/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches




I'm pretty far from a pillar of stability, especially emotionally,  and yet all of the psychedelics I've taken so far have helped me quite a bit. In other words I was far more unstable and sad before partaking, than I am now, a few years into it.

True, one has to read up on the dangers and also start small, know their dose, and if something feels like shit (like HWBR in my case for instance) then don't take it again.

Other than that there's little one can do, prevention-wise.

Micro-dosing IMO is something more like checking things out, taking it really slow. If someone is unstable, they're safer with micro-dosing than they would be with several grams and a massive trip all at once. The dosing you can stop, the trip you can't.

Anyway we're talking in circles here, because there's no way to know how OP will respond to micro-dosing until he tries it, if he decides to do so.

Might be helpful to specify that I'm not saying 6 months of micro-dosing is safe, but that THE FIRST DAY of micro-dosing is safe, and based on how you feel in the first few days, you can judge for yourself whether or not to continue.

If OP were indeed as suicidal as to be pushed over the edge by simple micro-dosing, then this whole thread should have had a very different title. Then we all would have told him to STFU about the shrooms, don't do it and go get medical help.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991375 - 10/17/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know, I think that if I had not smoked weed while coming down on mescaline, the clarity would have remained. Meanwhile the anxiety just went through the roof the more I smoked...

I am thinking that when I'm off this stuff (real soon like... Bought my last bag yesterday and I'm moving on Tuesday, and I'm going to syncronize it with a massive change in my life... Moving out of my grandparent's home. That way it all is one big change, and I can feel like the coin flipped.) I want to do some cactus juice, with no weed, and come down, with no weed. Because I always know the cactus is working when I smoke weed and the weed doesn't work. I know I'm coming down when the weed has a noticeable effect on the body high.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18991460 - 10/17/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not everyone is emotionally or mentally stable. You should be if you are going to delve into psyches




I'm pretty far from a pillar of stability, especially emotionally,  and yet all of the psychedelics I've taken so far have helped me quite a bit. In other words I was far more unstable and sad before partaking, than I am now, a few years into it.

True, one has to read up on the dangers and also start small, know their dose, and if something feels like shit (like HWBR in my case for instance) then don't take it again.

Other than that there's little one can do, prevention-wise.

Micro-dosing IMO is something more like checking things out, taking it really slow. If someone is unstable, they're safer with micro-dosing than they would be with several grams and a massive trip all at once. The dosing you can stop, the trip you can't.

Anyway we're talking in circles here, because there's no way to know how OP will respond to micro-dosing until he tries it, if he decides to do so.

Might be helpful to specify that I'm not saying 6 months of micro-dosing is safe, but that THE FIRST DAY of micro-dosing is safe, and based on how you feel in the first few days, you can judge for yourself whether or not to continue.

If OP were indeed as suicidal as to be pushed over the edge by simple micro-dosing, then this whole thread should have had a very different title. Then we all would have told him to STFU about the shrooms, don't do it and go get medical help.




I agree wholeheartedly to this. Psychedelics also have helped me fix thing. They have incredible healing powers. Its just I also believe they started a bunch of problems for me. I was abusing the psyches, and they burned me. Use them right OP and your life will improve.

I'm an advocate of taking a huge dose so you can't fight it even though I'm a pussy and have only topped at 33.33g fresh. You can't fight when you reach a certain level. Then your eyes are opened. One day :plur:


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Universe]
    #18991459 - 10/17/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Microdosing once in a while is cool, but doing it everyday or even every other day is silly. I wouldn't be able to stand it. It would just get annoying. Tripping is exhausting and I think even a microdose drains you a little.

The best microdosing happens when you're growing shrooms and you have a big flush and you can't resist breaking one off and throwing it in your mouth. Real trips need to be planned out, but a spontaneous microdose like that is fun.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: The Centre]
    #18991490 - 10/17/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't have a good feeling about mushrooms. Low or high dose. ALTHOUGH, the bad experiences I had where all under 3g, and the good experience (singular) was over...

But even then, there is a certain disconnect, and I get it off of Psilocybin AS WELL AS Amanita. I don't get it, they have totally different pharmacology and their 'obvious' effects are totally different. Their not-so-obvious mind fuck are exactly the same though.

I don't get this with Cactus. I don't get the bad vibes, and I was scared shitless of it at first. With shrooms I had no fear going in, and now I'm scared shitless of them, with cactus, I was scared shitless of it, but the more of it I take, and the crazier dose I do without getting mind fuck, the less fear I have. I took what I can very much consider an overdose. (By overdose I don't mean die, I mean take too much.) And even with a trip lasting 3 days, I had no fear for my sanity, even though I wished the trip would end, as it was getting overwhelming and a whole lot of bad stuff happened to me emotionally, and I was in a bad space. The only fear I had was a concern that I may never come down, as this trip was lasting crazy long. Looking back, if it was mushrooms, at half the intensity, I would have been spinning out like crazy.

I don't trust mushrooms, and that seems to be common among humans, even when we are talking about normal mushrooms...


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18991603 - 10/17/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?

@Spacerific; that painting fucking rocks man!!! I my self paint but since being in this rut have not felt any motivation/inspiration to paint much which also gets me feeling really down, I feel very creatively retarded this whole last year and it's really starting to get to me. Living in Costa Rica I have the privilege to partake in an Ayahuasca ritual here and would very much like to do so once I have the mean's (have to go cross the country and en need the time/money to do so). For some reason I feel more comfortable with that over shrooms, although from what I have heard its much more intense, yet I feel better knowing there are experiences trained people here doing that, may have to look into that some more...


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: The Centre]
    #18991667 - 10/17/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You know, I think that if I had not smoked weed while coming down on mescaline, the clarity would have remained. Meanwhile the anxiety just went through the roof the more I smoked...

I am thinking that when I'm off this stuff (real soon like... Bought my last bag yesterday and I'm moving on Tuesday, and I'm going to syncronize it with a massive change in my life... Moving out of my grandparent's home. That way it all is one big change, and I can feel like the coin flipped.) I want to do some cactus juice, with no weed, and come down, with no weed. Because I always know the cactus is working when I smoke weed and the weed doesn't work. I know I'm coming down when the weed has a noticeable effect on the body high.





This happens to me as well, I cannot mix weed with anything stronger or it just makes everything "cloudy", hell I can't even smoke weed that much anymore anyway because it fucks with my head too much just by its self.

And to make it clear, I'm in no way at all suicidal, I really do love being alive, It has just been hard to completely appreciate life when in this state. Just last week I went walking alone down to a canyon and river and the sun was fucking perfect and I knew it was fucking beautiful as fuck but I just couldn't quite feel that "awe" when looking at it, it was just kinda like "huh...that's pretty neat" but didn't really feel anything else inside which is not like me at all.

I'm completely open to other substances as well, in any dosage, to help with this, mescaline, LSD, ayahuasca, ibogaine. I just refuse to take DXM or anything like that because that shit just makes me feel way too weird. I'm just more curious as to others micro-dosing (with whatever substances) to help with their daily panic/anxiety/depression.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18992057 - 10/17/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OP, I went to the Netherlands several times, specifically for the Ayahuasca and mushrooms, and specifically to get a nice boost out of this or that minor depression.

One of these times I stumbled upon the micro-dosing thread when I happened to be there. I tried it and it was :tripping:AWESOME:tripping: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I've tried it when I was annoyed with work, and once it kicked in I had no problem, I put in 6 hours of work and felt very nice about it.

I've tried it with painting, and an awesome piece came out of it, which I'd say is still the best psy painting I've ever done to this day.

I don't know you OP, maybe you'll break down like a bitch and cry as soon as a little psilo hits your system, but I doubt it. I'll extend the same advice I use myself. If anxious, if depressed, if any mental issues plague your head, shrooms help. Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.

To clarify - I've micro-dosed for two weeks, every day, sometimes twice a day. There was no tolerance build-up, there were no weird mood swings, no crashes during the two weeks nor when I stopped. The only bad thing was that I eventually ran out of mushies to micro-dose on, and so I had to come back to my less awesome, regular self :lol:

Take'em if you've got 'em OP, you'll be in good hands :thumbup:





Hahahahahahah you know, I probably WILL cry like a little bitch once they hit my system, but I would greatly embrace that, I have felt so emotionally fucked up that I can't even cry at sad things anymore, like things that have happened (deaths in the family and death of my dog I've had since childhood) I did not even shed a tear, to be honest I didn't feel much other than that I knew they were in a great place now, I might not have cried because being in such internal pain I was glad that they did not have to feel that in the "real" life anymore. I really have no idea but I miss crying and I used to/AM a sensitive person who used to be pretty prone to crying.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18992278 - 10/17/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm probably going to catch flak for this, but idgaf I want to help you.

Opiates

I swear to god they snapped me out of my depression like the snap of a finger. I expressed all the same symptoms as you (depressed, emotional disconnect, social anxiety, duller life etc) and after 40mg of some oxycodone I was so happy for life. Just don't get hooked. It takes a strong person to avoid opiate addiction. If you don't think you will be able to fight it, don't do it. I can tell you tho from personal experience--- the feel you get from it is hard to stay away from. Especially when it is able to fix problems like it does. At least for me.


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    #18992355 - 10/17/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?




Ah, I see, well in that case I say micro dosing is absolutely your best bet, I wouldn't even worry about a initial trip, this would be a great way for you to kind of get back into it, I was in a similar situation, as stated before, took me at least 4-5 years before I touched mushrooms or acid again, thought id taken myself as far as my sanity would allow, and even the slightest bump would make me lose it, but this has not been the case, this will help tremendously with your depression. if not, than stop, no big deal, start low, and im sure youl be fine, just use the extra energy from micro dosing to motivate yourself into new routines, id be very curious to see how it goes if you do do this. Like I said, the LSD is a nice microdose, usually makes me want to take more, I don't feel it as much as the mushrooms, but it is even better for mental work, really good. but ive felt that it could have some negatives, I have always been back and forth about the chemical though, cant tell whether or not im into it. Shrooms are superior for depression I think.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer]
    #18992376 - 10/17/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well there you have it OP. Contradicting advice and only yourself to look to, for any real guidance on which to follow.

As far as I'm concerned I believe in you. Take this with a grain of salt if you've been abusing your system with chems and alcohol, but otherwise you have a genetic heritage that's built to last, to take a beating and bounce back stronger, to not go down without a significant fight, and also to learn the true wisdom from the mushroom. You have that raw power deep inside that's waiting for you to tap it, and open a new chapter in your life.

Only you know what's good for you. Explore whatever your intuition (and googling and research) tells you to explore, and see what works.

I leave you with the words of the mushroom, maybe you can find some inspiration there.


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: TentacleOfCreation]
    #18992454 - 10/17/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You have a good point about the OP vanishing, which is why I feel I haven't been able to get the answers I am looking for, I read about them starting it but then there is no follow up.

I'm glad you mentioned your experience because that was one more fear of mine; the adverse effects of continual micro-dosing, has anyone else here experienced similar negative effects after micro-dosing every other day?

The way I have been feeling the last couple of months seems a lot like your description of how you felt after the negative effects started kicking in (minus the tracers, although sometimes if I'm out doing a lot of exercise ill start seeing kinda weird almost "watery" like a stone droping in a pool of water around my periphery, probably because I'm out of shape from smoking ciggies too long, which probably also doesn't help in the long run with anxiety.

Back to the point, some seem to recommend a full on trip once rather than micro-dosing, that's where some apprehensive feelings start kicking in about having an actual "trip", day to day I feel anxiety, some days worse then others but more than that its just weird neurotic feelings, with no real apparent reason really. So in the back of my mind (although it may be foolish to feel so) I feel it may in the long term make my anxiety worse, seeing as before I started feeling this way the anxiety from a 3g trip coming on was enough to get me pretty nervous when I could handle it back then.




I micro dose for severe headache pain I suffer through on a daily basis (been that way all my life).  No adverse effects to report.  Headaches are now more controllable with Tylenol.  :shrug:


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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: mpd]
    #18992516 - 10/17/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Last saturday, I went into the 3g trip fully expecting to either lose my sanity or come back fixed. It worked out for the best. Take a gram every 20 minutes until you work up to your dose. Before you know it, you will be tripping with relatively little anxiety.

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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11]
    #18992644 - 10/17/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Spacerific seemed to say it best, a bit of contradictory advice, it seems to work for some and not so well for others, there may be set and setting coming into play even in such small doses...



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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.




I have taken psyches plenty of times in the past, mostly in my early teenage years, it's been about a year since I have taken anything (I'm 22 now). I used to be completely fine and had no problem taking acid or shrooms, yet since some life changing events and weird bouts of depersonalization I have not taken anything and the lingering anxiety from the events in my life that caused this is what makes me apprehensive about a full on dose because I DO know what it would be like, and I'm uncertain about my mental health deteriorating because of it, may be silly to think so and I probably will be fine, even through bad trips I have felt great afterwards, but that was before I started experience daily anxiety/panic/depression. I'm just the kind of guy who worries way too much when I shouldn't be. Today I'm having an exceptionally good day and feel pretty good. Most of the time when I feel down I feel really low on energy which is probably caused from the "depression" and anxiety and I just feel like a complete pile of shit.


I'm curious to know if anyone has felt any differences between micro-dosing LSD vs Shrooms?




Ah, I see, well in that case I say micro dosing is absolutely your best bet, I wouldn't even worry about a initial trip, this would be a great way for you to kind of get back into it, I was in a similar situation, as stated before, took me at least 4-5 years before I touched mushrooms or acid again, thought id taken myself as far as my sanity would allow, and even the slightest bump would make me lose it, but this has not been the case, this will help tremendously with your depression. if not, than stop, no big deal, start low, and im sure youl be fine, just use the extra energy from micro dosing to motivate yourself into new routines, id be very curious to see how it goes if you do do this. Like I said, the LSD is a nice microdose, usually makes me want to take more, I don't feel it as much as the mushrooms, but it is even better for mental work, really good. but ive felt that it could have some negatives, I have always been back and forth about the chemical though, cant tell whether or not im into it. Shrooms are superior for depression I think.




I can relate to feeling like every small little bump just makes it worse for me, I've come to a conclusion that I will start with a micro-dose, give it a couple days of rest and see how I feel, perhaps twice a week if it feels like its helping, and perhaps if I feel the calling for it after that I will consider upping the dose. Whatever I do I WILL follow up on this since it seems that most micro dosing threads kinda get left behind, but I will keep in mind that there may be others who could benefit from such an experiment.

If it take's a while to give any report about how it goes it's most likely from bad weather. Rainy days in general aren't very complimentary to lifting my mood, I absolutely hate them but every now and then there are days when the sun is out all day (its the rainy season here). So crossing my fingers it will be a sunny day tomorrow and I can start with 0.1g and see how it goes.




Edited by TentacleOfCreation (10/17/13 07:45 PM)


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