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TentacleOfCreation
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Questions about Micro-dosing 1
#18986077 - 10/16/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright, I know there have been plenty of threads on micro-dosing already, but I can't seem to be able to find the answer to some questions that I am searching for. I haven't taken shroom's in over a year, and since the last time I took them there have been some issues in my life which lead to depression and some daily anxiety which sometimes makes it difficult to even leave the house.
Due to that, I have been apprehensive about taking them (shrooms) again, mostly do to the fact that even when I smoke weed now I get extremely anxious and paranoid, have tried various indica/sativa strains and only a few make me feel somewhat fine yet I can't handle more than a few hits, where as before the anxiety/depression set in I was able to smoke all day no problem. I know they are 2 totally different substances yet I still feel a bit anxious about a full blown trip.
I have read some users micro-dosing 0.1 to 0.3 grams of shrooms to help with depression, my question is if anyone knows how it affects their anxiety as well? Is it at all "psychedelic" feeling? Is there anyone else here who gets extremely anxious/paranoid on weed but fine on small doses of shrooms? I don't want to really "trip" but just have a mood lift, any one have any input?
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DO NOT MICRODOSE
I wanted to do a little experiment myself because I too suffer from bouts of depression and social anxiety. I did my research on microdosing, read all the threads possible, might have made my own I'm not sure. I knew the only true data though would be through personal experience. So at first I did .15 every other day for a week (this was from August 30th (roughly) to september 25-26. At first I was like woah shit this is awesome. I was motivated, I was creative, I could feel it doing its work. I thought maybe it was a little bit of a placebo but I was really social in schoool so I was like "fuck it, if it is placebo idgaf because its making me more outgoing! it works."
That was week one. I took the weekend off free of microdosing and decided that that would be my schedule. Mon, Off, Wed, off, Fri, off, off, repeat. Week 2 was strange. At first I was like fuck yeah this is working but about midway through I was starting to over analyze everything, and I got really bad hppd. If I spaced out and just stared off into space, things would start patterning and everything would start shifting around. And it was constant. My tracers are still really apparent. I started to over analyze and critisize myself. I felt as though I was fake, my life was pointless etc. My school grades slipped very quickly. I went from straight A's to straight B's in a week. That is EXTREMELY uncharacteristic of me. I started to hate myself little by little. I began slipping into depression. Week 3 (final week I think) I broke up with my GF because I felt that what I had wasn't real. I started heavily smoking again, which augmented my depression and made me really distant. People would tell me I looked really sad and depressed, and to cheer up. I started to hate my job, and I called off an entire week. I skipped school an entire week and just played GTA and smoked constantly. I had the most ridiculous mood swings, noticed by exgf, mother, and numerous friends. I went downhill really quick and attribute it to the microdose because before that I was absolutely fine and sane, and that was the only difference I consciously changed.
Thankfully I stopped and for the last 2 weeks have been in the same state of mind. Really self destructive, I hated myself, I became extremely pessimistic. Last weekend I dosed about 3 grams. I had no visuals which may be from the microdosing tolerance, or 9-month-old shrooms lost some potency 
Point is that that 3 g trip fixed my mind. I feel like I'm me again. Its the best feeling ever. I had a really up lifting trip. The mushrooms told me that I need to feel more confident in myself, that I can do anything I can set my mind too. Mushrooms healed me.
Basically, A big trip will be more beneficial to you (regardless if it is good or bad because it will teach you). It is now my belief that microdosing is abusing mushrooms. You do not need that kind of power to be inside of you all the time. It can destroy you. Now, your experience may be amazingly different and extremely beneficial, but I want to advise you to avoid microdosing. Mushrooms can completely change your mind for better or worse. No matter how small the dose; set and setting always impact you, even below your conscious awareness. Mushrooms are not meant to be taken everyday, or even every other day. Or even once a week. I strongly advise against microdosing. You have one brain and you can't get a new one. You are stuck with it the rest of your life. You do not want to fuck around with it.
  
END NOTE: Anyone ever realize that in every microdose experiment, the OP suddenly vanishes after a month or so, never to return again? I'm glad I didn't get that far. Luckily I think I caught the damage in time to fix it. And thanks to shrooms, I can.
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer] 1
#18986525 - 10/16/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have a good point about the OP vanishing, which is why I feel I haven't been able to get the answers I am looking for, I read about them starting it but then there is no follow up.
I'm glad you mentioned your experience because that was one more fear of mine; the adverse effects of continual micro-dosing, has anyone else here experienced similar negative effects after micro-dosing every other day?
The way I have been feeling the last couple of months seems a lot like your description of how you felt after the negative effects started kicking in (minus the tracers, although sometimes if I'm out doing a lot of exercise ill start seeing kinda weird almost "watery" like a stone droping in a pool of water around my periphery, probably because I'm out of shape from smoking ciggies too long, which probably also doesn't help in the long run with anxiety.
Back to the point, some seem to recommend a full on trip once rather than micro-dosing, that's where some apprehensive feelings start kicking in about having an actual "trip", day to day I feel anxiety, some days worse then others but more than that its just weird neurotic feelings, with no real apparent reason really. So in the back of my mind (although it may be foolish to feel so) I feel it may in the long term make my anxiety worse, seeing as before I started feeling this way the anxiety from a 3g trip coming on was enough to get me pretty nervous when I could handle it back then.
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As far as I understand, advocates of psychedelic therapy (using predominately psilocybin mushrooms) don't do micro doses and instead focus on achieving some sort of therapy with larger doses.
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I have been looking for articles about that, the only ones I can seem to find are those john hopkins ones using them for terminally ill people, would you happen to know where I could find more in depth information about psychedelic therapy?
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Sagescruffy] 1
#18986613 - 10/16/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude I feel the same fuckin way. I was having weird fuckin thoughts from the microdoses. I was thinking about what it would be like to cut myself. WHat it would be like to masturbate naked in a church. What it would be like to beat up my best friend. I don't know its weird to think about now because my trip changed me. I wasn't even enjoying music for the last couple weeks. It was weird. I am so glad I had that amazing trip.
I suggest being somewhere were a bad trip is unlikely. That would be your happy place. For me that was a state forest. That is where I feel at home. I went there on a gorgeous october day; a crisp blue sky and the radiant sun just filled me with good vibes. I downed a shot of scotch to help kill the and fear and just dosed a little at a time over the course of an hour until all 3 grams were in me. Then just think happy and try not to fight. I always fight which is where I go wrong. Probably you too. Just relax in your happy place with some tunes and shrooms and drop out

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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Roflspammer] 1
#18986641 - 10/16/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would you microdose, that is the question
listen carefully in the trips instead
acceptance and appreciation :-)
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mostly out of curiosity and to see what it could be like instead of taking the anti anxiety synthetic pills that have been prescribed, I'm just curious as to how 250mg of shrooms compares to say 250mg of xanax.
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whoa whoa, micro dosing is awesome, these negative effects have happened to me, some days I would dose, and have some very bad depression, for a few days while being weeks into it, like maybe after arguing with my girlfriend, it would amplify my shitty feelings, but all in all ive had suburb results from microdosing, however, my theory for doing it was, do a full blown trip, learn a lot, wait a week, than start microdosing for a week or two, take a break and full dose again. Because after about a week of a full dose, the filters start getting put back, and your old you your trying to change comes back, and your not ready for a full trip, it was designed to help keep me motivated to change myself, and to help heal, and it works wonders. The theory I have come back with is that microdosing everyday for two weeks equals a full trip in my opinion, in its own way. as far as emotionally, just really long and drawn out, it still rips some stuff from inside you, more gently, but more drawn out, so you have the amazingness aspect, than, a bit of a rough patch, emotionally, but I found continuing to micro dose through that, you come out the other side, feeling better than ever. just like tripping, instead of a rough hour, you have a slightly rough few days, which is not a huge price to pay for some of the best days you've had in forever for weeks. full blown trips are essential to micro dosing, because it slowly leaks stuff out of your subconscious, and tripping cleans house. but I think that without a direct motivation behind the dosing, like continuing to better yourself, get extra exercise while micro dosing, eat extra healthy, let it guide you to keep your will power up throughout it, I believe it will treat you amazing, just like tripping, it should be respected. the longest I went was 2 months everyday, yes there is a bit of tolerance, not as much as youd think. and no it isn't for everyone clearly.
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11] 1
#18987108 - 10/16/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's an interesting look on it, so instead of just starting out micro-dosing you had a higher dose trip and then sort of used the micro-dosing as "boosters"? How much did you dose at the start (the full trip before micro dosing)? Do you ever deal with anxiety on a daily basis? Does weed affect you in any negative way?
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see I didn't appreciate those mood swings at all. I'm always calm and cool and basically laid back. With microdosing I became so sad one day and then angry another and then super happy. And weed became real psychedelic with microdosing man. That was one positive haha
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James Fadiman reported in his book "the psychedelic explorer's guide" in chapter 15 about peoples experiences with micro dosing both on LSD and mushrooms.
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: Blind fool] 1
#18987517 - 10/16/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, I did a 3 gram hippy flip alone to start, which was the most amazing trip ive ever had, didn't do to many follow up trips, but I do believe even a small one could help. Also, the mood dips, almost never happened for me, I think mostly because im always moving and working a lot harder during dosing days, so I actually felt better about myself, a lot better, I have suffered a lot of extreme depression, had years of addictions, so I understand the anxiety, I don't suffer from it much anymore, but used to, and with weed, im one of the very few people ive ever heard of who loves psyches. yet cant smoke weed, used to love it, but it seems to make me depressed, and feel REALLY weird around everyone, and more spacey than I am, have a hard enough time relating to people before the weed. really I don't think its my medicine, people have literally told me its because im afraid of myself, which is laughable, some just don't understand, weed is not for everyone. if I was afraid of myself, I woulda never ever touched mushrooms after my first time.
Also tried with LSD, its an awesome one for getting a ton of shit done during the day, more stimulating in a different kind of way, but all in all, mushrooms are better I think, lsd develops rapid tolerance, u NEED the 3 day break. and I feel the L might have more side effects. just a side note.
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I seem to have random mood swings regardless of what I am on, I have been off any meds now for a long time, I only smoke a few hits of weed before bed but I am not enjoying it like I used to, I used to LOVE weed and never thought it would ever turn sour for me, since it started making me paranoid in large amounts I have not tried psychedelics, Its probably stupid to keep smoking weed when it still makes me paranoid, if I do it during the day when I have stuff to do I cannot function and the anxiety is through the roof, dont want to doal with anyone and just wanna be left alone, yet at night i feel like when im laying in bed after a few hits once the anxiety subsides i can think much more deeply and feel really good about life, in those brief moments before falling asleep, it seems to be the best part of my day when I actually feel happy, even though its just a few hours or less... I wouldnt be able to handle a full bowl or a full joint when I used to smoke countless number of bowls a day. I took it as a sign that I was abusing the herb and needed to take a break, which I did for about 6 months but due to addictive personality and wanting to enjoy it like I used to I just started doing it again. I'm still constantly battling whether the paranoia is making the anxiety worse the next day or if in those moments where I am really calm and can think deeper while semi stoned are helping, its kinda hard for me to concentrate and follow these kinda things through, I dont even know if im making sense right now..
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11] 1
#18988214 - 10/16/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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solo11 said: well, I did a 3 gram hippy flip alone to start, which was the most amazing trip ive ever had, didn't do to many follow up trips, but I do believe even a small one could help. Also, the mood dips, almost never happened for me, I think mostly because im always moving and working a lot harder during dosing days, so I actually felt better about myself, a lot better, I have suffered a lot of extreme depression, had years of addictions, so I understand the anxiety, I don't suffer from it much anymore, but used to, and with weed, im one of the very few people ive ever heard of who loves psyches. yet cant smoke weed, used to love it, but it seems to make me depressed, and feel REALLY weird around everyone, and more spacey than I am, have a hard enough time relating to people before the weed. really I don't think its my medicine, people have literally told me its because im afraid of myself, which is laughable, some just don't understand, weed is not for everyone. if I was afraid of myself, I woulda never ever touched mushrooms after my first time.
Also tried with LSD, its an awesome one for getting a ton of shit done during the day, more stimulating in a different kind of way, but all in all, mushrooms are better I think, lsd develops rapid tolerance, u NEED the 3 day break. and I feel the L might have more side effects. just a side note.
Exact same for me
Used to smoke weed everyday
After LSD I quit :-)
Can't smoke weed anymore, because LSD made me see my mistakes
If I can smoke it I can only do it every 3-6 months max... or my body/head doesn't feel good/get social anxiety etc.
No problems as long as I don't smoke... feel pretty motivated without
After taking LSD you remove your subconscious filter I think so every mistake you make will be easily apparent i.e. sitting down all day smoking by yourself... not a good idea  smoking prevented me from doing my activities often, and changed my thoughts for the worse thoughts were changed for a few weeks after stopping use
I think I might like Salvia better... gives good mood, and head doesn't feel funny/heavy next day, but just personal preference I guess.. it doesn't change my thoughts negatively either, only positively each time Doesn't give me the urge to smoke more next day either.. Usually only smoke it every 6-12 months :-)
In the end it comes down to set,setting,dose ... I did abuse the weed a bit due to kidney stone pain, so that is probably why I had bad reactions, I just hear those reactions from a lot of people I know (mostly people who smoked it everyday... everyday use of the weed is a mistake IMO, but we can't see it as long as we do it :-) Stopping a few days to see if it influences ones thoughts is a good way to know
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: lessismore] 1
#18988322 - 10/16/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont know about microdosing because i never have done that. but i would really encourage you to read my trip report. iv been kinda in the same mind set as you lately. im glad i took a good trip.
http://www.shroomery.org/12819/bad-trip-gone-good
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@evileye001 this part of your report pretty much resonates with how I feel most of the time;
"as i laid there i started to think about my relationship and how i had lost a lot of my confidence lately and how negatively it was affecting us. i kept thing of "what if" and worrying about what would i do and such even tho deep down i had no reason to worry but lately i let some insecurities eat me up and affect me. witch isent like me at all."
Maybe the best thing to do is just take a full dose, as apprehensive as I feel about it, I've been going through this in my head all day, woke up determined to start micro-dosing today yet thought I would see if there were others who may have been going through similar emotional struggle as I. Luckily my mom is "hip" to this kinda stuff and has sat with me during my most revealing trip and helped to keep me anchored and feeling safe, deep down I know nothing bad will happen to me if I decide to take a few grams, yet due to the anxiety I developed it's become kinda hard to shake the "fear" off..
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TentacleOfCreation said: @evileye001 this part of your report pretty much resonates with how I feel most of the time;
"as i laid there i started to think about my relationship and how i had lost a lot of my confidence lately and how negatively it was affecting us. i kept thing of "what if" and worrying about what would i do and such even tho deep down i had no reason to worry but lately i let some insecurities eat me up and affect me. witch isent like me at all."
Maybe the best thing to do is just take a full dose, as apprehensive as I feel about it, I've been going through this in my head all day, woke up determined to start micro-dosing today yet thought I would see if there were others who may have been going through similar emotional struggle as I. Luckily my mom is "hip" to this kinda stuff and has sat with me during my most revealing trip and helped to keep me anchored and feeling safe, deep down I know nothing bad will happen to me if I decide to take a few grams, yet due to the anxiety I developed it's become kinda hard to shake the "fear" off..
my advice to you is go ahead and do a good dose. if you are like me i almost guarantee you wont have a very good over all time but it will force you to confront and overcome these stupid problems.
im not saying this is the answer for you im just telling you my experience.
if you do choose to plz tell me how it went. i would really like to know.
from, a sympathetic friend.
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Edited by evileye001 (10/16/13 10:32 PM)
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: evileye001] 1
#18989827 - 10/17/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea, for some reason I didn't realize you had never taken any psyches. So you probably would be best served by a lower dose trip, just expect it to be therapeutic, if you decide you like where the mushrooms can take you, than you could consider micro dosing. just my opinion.
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Re: Questions about Micro-dosing [Re: solo11] 1
#18989918 - 10/17/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, I went to the Netherlands several times, specifically for the Ayahuasca and mushrooms, and specifically to get a nice boost out of this or that minor depression.
One of these times I stumbled upon the micro-dosing thread when I happened to be there. I tried it and it was AWESOME 
I've tried it when I was annoyed with work, and once it kicked in I had no problem, I put in 6 hours of work and felt very nice about it.
I've tried it with painting, and an awesome piece came out of it, which I'd say is still the best psy painting I've ever done to this day.
I don't know you OP, maybe you'll break down like a bitch and cry as soon as a little psilo hits your system, but I doubt it. I'll extend the same advice I use myself. If anxious, if depressed, if any mental issues plague your head, shrooms help. Micro-dosing especially is incredibly safe.
To clarify - I've micro-dosed for two weeks, every day, sometimes twice a day. There was no tolerance build-up, there were no weird mood swings, no crashes during the two weeks nor when I stopped. The only bad thing was that I eventually ran out of mushies to micro-dose on, and so I had to come back to my less awesome, regular self 
Take'em if you've got 'em OP, you'll be in good hands
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